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[DPSSOC]

[quote]Mike Shepard wrote...
Shepard defeated Sovereign, Shepard defeated the Collectors [with help of course]. Shepard will be in command of the Normandy. If not, Ash/Kaidan wouldn't say "welcome back sir/welcome back ma'am" when Shep reaches the Normandy in the intro. it'd just be "Welcome back, Shepard."

But seriously--Shepard will be in command. He has risked life and limb to stop the reapers, he's the only one to talk to two reapers. He will be in charge.[/quote]

This would require that the higher ups in the ME universe have a modicum of common sense, outside of Anderson they have demonstrated no such thing.

[quote]CerberusSoldier wrote...
first off the ranks in game are garbage since they are not even correct.[/quote]

Ok I have to ask, how does Bioware have incorrect ranks in a military organization they made up?

[quote]OV3RK1LL3R wrote...
If that's gonna be the case.

I can imagine a scene similar to one in the movie Pirates 3, where Sparrow and Barbosa continuously try to captain the ship at the same time, competing by trying to yell louder than the other.

Now imagine Shepard and Ashley competing when running the Normandy...[/quote]

This, please Bioware tell me this can happen even if it's just one scene and then they settle on who's in charge (Shep most likely), it'd be hilarious.

[quote]CerberusSoldier wrote...
No he would'nt if Shepard had the proper rank of Commander and since he is also cpatain of the SR 2 there is no way in hell kaiden out ranks him .

[/quote]

The Alliance Military doesn't have a rank of Commander. Shepard is a Lieutenant Commander, one step up is a Staff Commander, and after that is Captain (for naval officers) and Major (for marines).  People refer to him/her as Commander because the Lieutenant/Staff distinction isn't necessary, it's kinda like a middle name.  The only instance I can think of is when you need to call somebody down.  For example let's say Shep was Lieutenant Commander and Kaidan was Staff, Kaidan could make a point of referring to Shep by his/her full rank as a reminder that he is the superior officer.

[quote]Arppis wrote...
[quote]Ahglock wrote...
Well unless you last name is Kirk that is. [/quote]

I think they were going for Kirkey there.[/quote]

Of course they were what with the abundance of alien lovin'

[quote]General User wrote...
[quote]CerberusSoldier wrote...
[quote]General User wrote...
As long as they don't interfere with Shepard's mission(s)/operation(s) what does it matter who commands the Normandy?

Isn't Shepard better suited for being the overall mission commander than any particular ship's commanding officer any way?[/quote]

Oh it does matter [/quote]

How so? As long as the Normandy (or any other ship, ftm) gets Team Shepard where they need to be when they need to be there, I personally could care less who the CO is. Like a modern-day warship that plays host to a team of Navy SeALs.
[/quote]

Yeah I've always wondered about Shep's position on the Normandy. At the start of ME1 s/he's the XO which doesn't really make much sense since Shepard is a career marine, not navy. There's no indication Sheps served on a ship before, and only would have used them to get from one planet/asteroid where s/he goes down and kills things to another planet/asteroid where s/he goes down and kills things. Then he's given command of the ship which is just ridiculous. I understand giving Shepard operational authority (he's in charge of the overall mission), but somebody else, somebody from the navy, really should be running the ship.

[quote]knightnblu wrote...
Equally ranked? Not hardly. Ashley is Lt. Commander = Major, Shepard is Commander = Lt. Colonel. Shepard still outranks her and Alenko by one promotion. Although Kaiden got the short end of the stick compared to Ashley's rise in rank because he should be an Admiral. The rank system is all fouled up, in my opinion.[/quote]

No Lt. Commander = Lt Commander (no diff between Marine and Navy rankings)and Shep is Lt Commander. Again there is no Commander rank in the Alliance. People seem to have a really hard time wrapping their heads around the idea that the Alliance doesn't utilize the rank structure of any existing military. I'm pretty sure the devs have said as much.

[quote]Saints_ wrote...
Ah, let's also not forget shes a "Lieutenant-Commander".

Wiki Quote -

Lieutenant Commander (also hyphenated Lieutenant-Commander)[1] is a commissioned officer rank in many navies. The rank is superior to a lieutenant and subordinate to a commander.
[/quote]

Which would be great if the Systems Alliance didn't use this rank structure. Seriously people this is not hard, it's one of the first Codex entries I ever found, it's freely available at the ME wiki, it's been brought up several times in this thread, how do you not get it?

[CerberusSoldier]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

I have a question, why are so many people paranoid that Ash/Kaidan are going to try to steal command from them. That insecure?

  


I guess you liked their disrespectful attitude in ME 2 so I am sure people like yourself would be fine with them stealing the SR 2 from you .

[lady_v23]

I'm really annoyed at Ashley. I'm kinda hoping she dares question my renegade fem shepard.  She will be MIA.

[CerberusSoldier]

[quote]DPSSOC wrote...

[quote]Mike Shepard wrote...
Shepard defeated Sovereign, Shepard defeated the Collectors [with help of course]. Shepard will be in command of the Normandy. If not, Ash/Kaidan wouldn't say "welcome back sir/welcome back ma'am" when Shep reaches the Normandy in the intro. it'd just be "Welcome back, Shepard."

But seriously--Shepard will be in command. He has risked life and limb to stop the reapers, he's the only one to talk to two reapers. He will be in charge.[/quote]

This would require that the higher ups in the ME universe have a modicum of common sense, outside of Anderson they have demonstrated no such thing.

[quote]CerberusSoldier wrote...
first off the ranks in game are garbage since they are not even correct.[/quote]

Ok I have to ask, how does Bioware have incorrect ranks in a military organization they made up?

[quote]OV3RK1LL3R wrote...
If that's gonna be the case.

I can imagine a scene similar to one in the movie Pirates 3, where Sparrow and Barbosa continuously try to captain the ship at the same time, competing by trying to yell louder than the other.

Now imagine Shepard and Ashley competing when running the Normandy...[/quote]

This, please Bioware tell me this can happen even if it's just one scene and then they settle on who's in charge (Shep most likely), it'd be hilarious.

[quote]CerberusSoldier wrote...
No he would'nt if Shepard had the proper rank of Commander and since he is also cpatain of the SR 2 there is no way in hell kaiden out ranks him .

[/quote]

The Alliance Military doesn't have a rank of Commander. Shepard is a Lieutenant Commander, one step up is a Staff Commander, and after that is Captain (for naval officers) and Major (for marines).  People refer to him/her as Commander because the Lieutenant/Staff distinction isn't necessary, it's kinda like a middle name.  The only instance I can think of is when you need to call somebody down.  For example let's say Shep was Lieutenant Commander and Kaidan was Staff, Kaidan could make a point of referring to Shep by his/her full rank as a reminder that he is the superior officer.

[quote]Arppis wrote...
[quote]Ahglock wrote...
Well unless you last name is Kirk that is. [/quote]

I think they were going for Kirkey there.[/quote]

Of course they were what with the abundance of alien lovin'

[quote]General User wrote...
[quote]CerberusSoldier wrote...
[quote]General User wrote...
As long as they don't interfere with Shepard's mission(s)/operation(s) what does it matter who commands the Normandy?

Isn't Shepard better suited for being the overall mission commander than any particular ship's commanding officer any way?[/quote]

Oh it does matter [/quote]

How so? As long as the Normandy (or any other ship, ftm) gets Team Shepard where they need to be when they need to be there, I personally could care less who the CO is. Like a modern-day warship that plays host to a team of Navy SeALs.
[/quote]

Yeah I've always wondered about Shep's position on the Normandy. At the start of ME1 s/he's the XO which doesn't really make much sense since Shepard is a career marine, not navy. There's no indication Sheps served on a ship before, and only would have used them to get from one planet/asteroid where s/he goes down and kills things to another planet/asteroid where s/he goes down and kills things. Then he's given command of the ship which is just ridiculous. I understand giving Shepard operational authority (he's in charge of the overall mission), but somebody else, somebody from the navy, really should be running the ship.

[quote]knightnblu wrote...
Equally ranked? Not hardly. Ashley is Lt. Commander = Major, Shepard is Commander = Lt. Colonel. Shepard still outranks her and Alenko by one promotion. Although Kaiden got the short end of the stick compared to Ashley's rise in rank because he should be an Admiral. The rank system is all fouled up, in my opinion.[/quote]

No Lt. Commander = Lt Commander (no diff between Marine and Navy rankings)and Shep is Lt Commander. Again there is no Commander rank in the Alliance. People seem to have a really hard time wrapping their heads around the idea that the Alliance doesn't utilize the rank structure of any existing military. I'm pretty sure the devs have said as much.

[quote]Saints_ wrote...
Ah, let's also not forget shes a "Lieutenant-Commander".

Wiki Quote -

Lieutenant Commander (also hyphenated Lieutenant-Commander)[1] is a commissioned officer rank in many navies. The rank is superior to a lieutenant and subordinate to a commander.
[/quote]

Which would be great if the Systems Alliance didn't use this rank structure. Seriously people this is not hard, it's one of the first Codex entries I ever found, it's freely available at the ME wiki, it's been brought up several times in this thread, how do you not get it?[/quote]  



Bioware forgot about proper Military rank when they made this franchise I see. Shepard should have a proper rank of Commander . oh but guess what you ME lore butt huggers when Anderson reinstates him or she then at that monment Shepard becomes captian and commanding officer of the SR 2 again . 

[DPSSOC]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

I have a question, why are so many people paranoid that Ash/Kaidan are going to try to steal command from them. That insecure?

  


I guess you liked their disrespectful attitude in ME 2 so I am sure people like yourself would be fine with them stealing the SR 2 from you .

Personally I didn't like it but I'm mature enough to understand it.  You've been playing dead for two years to run around with Cerberus while they had to watch the Alliance and the Council tear down everything you built and drag your name through the mud.  Even if they aren't your LI they respected you and to find out, after all that, that you're working for the enemy; that's a lot to take in.  Did they react poorly, yes, but I got an apology and that's enough for me.  Had they not apologized then yeah I'd dislike them because it meant that, after the heat of the moment, they calmed down and still held those opinions to be true.

And realistically, with Ash at least, we're probably lucky she didn't shoot to kill right then and there.

[ShadowSplicer]

If I were up against the Reapers, I'd let Shepard command even if I outranked him. I don't want to be responsible for the fate of the galaxy, let him deal with that!

[Someone With Mass]

AlexXIV wrote...
What? Giving command of a ship to people for fashion reasons? Hey, he doesn't know a first thing about how to command a ship but he wears a cool hat.

Let's not forget that Kaidan is a Major. Kaidan is also training biotics from Grissom Academy at the Alliance Special Warfare Centre and School.

What's Ashley doing?

Oh, she trained on Saturn's moon.  Yeah, that's leader material, right there.

[Someone With Mass]

t_skwerl wrote...

Anderson tosses Shep his dog tags at the end of the Earth mission and says he's reinstated. I'm thinking that's military. Nevermind the odd fact that he got them as a gift from Liara in LotSB. Different dog tags? Anderson stole my tags, man.

They took them away when they stripped Shepard of his rank and then Anderson gave them back to him. Duh.

[DPSSOC]

CerberusSoldier wrote...
Bioware forgot about proper Military rank when they made this franchise I see. Shepard should have a proper rank of Commander . oh but guess what you ME lore butt huggers when Anderson reinstates him or she then at that monment Shepard becomes captian and commanding officer of the SR 2 again . 

By proper I'm assuming you mean American?  Cause I took the time to look and Canada (you know where the game is made) has a different rank structure than you guys.  I'm sure the same can be said of most countries.  Why is it so hard to believe that a collaborative military organization would have a different rank structure than you consider proper?  I don't disagree that Shepard will probably be in command, but you, and others, are raging that Bioware got the lore in a universe they made up wrong.

Take a minute and think about that; you're essentially saying that George Lucas got Star Wars wrong because it's not what you wanted/thought it to be.  I wasn't happy about midichlorians either, I think they ruined the idea of the Force, but I can't argue that the creator of the universe, and thus the dictator of what is and is not canonical lore, got it wrong.

Like I said I'm pretty sure the devs have come out and said that they didn't use the established rank structure of any modern military, they made their own (probably based on making them sound cool); you don't like the lore Bioware has created then shove off.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 12 février 2012 - 08:44 .

[Xarathox]

I wonder if we're going to get an explanation of how the Alliance just "took" my ship from me.

[G3rman]

Xarathox wrote...

I wonder if we're going to get an explanation of how the Alliance just "took" my ship from me.

You surrender it as Hackett suggests at the end of Arrival..at least that's one way.

[Ryzaki]

Seagloom wrote...

"Is the Normandy Ashleys ship now?"

Not unless she's undead in my game. I'm pretty sure the crew will think Shepard has more authority than a corpse.

this

[Eclipse_9990]

**** no. My Shepards a Spectre too. I don't even get how Ash became one. Didn't she hate the council? Besides she's too dead to outrank me.

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 12 février 2012 - 10:13 .

[Xarathox]

G3rman wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

I wonder if we're going to get an explanation of how the Alliance just "took" my ship from me.

You surrender it as Hackett suggests at the end of Arrival..at least that's one way.

That would certainly fit for a paragon shep, but a renegade?

[Vicex]

Fidget6 wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

Spectre status is irrelevant

Shepard still outranks Ashley

How does Shepard outrank Ashley? S/he has more seniority maybe, but they're the same rank....

You can outrank someone by virtue of rank or position. If you have two people of the same rank, seniority does hold more....respect... with it.


However, it is also possible to have say a general to put a sergeant in charge of say- a battalion, and by virtue of position, he would outrank a company commander who would be a lieutenant (When it comes to giving orders to the companies, the lieutenant can't ignore the orders and do something different without it being labeled as insubordination).

Loop holes take care of this rank mess.

Modifié par Vicex, 12 février 2012 - 10:23 .

[staindgrey]

Osena109 wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

Spectre status is irrelevant

Shepard still outranks Ashley

Am pretty sure there Both LT-Commanders  shepard never has been promoted

Never been promoted because no rank sounds as cool as "Commander Shepard".

[AlexXIV]

Someone With Mass wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
What? Giving command of a ship to people for fashion reasons? Hey, he doesn't know a first thing about how to command a ship but he wears a cool hat.

Let's not forget that Kaidan is a Major. Kaidan is also training biotics from Grissom Academy at the Alliance Special Warfare Centre and School.

What's Ashley doing?

Oh, she trained on Saturn's moon.  Yeah, that's leader material, right there.

Well I don't argue that Kaiden is more suited. For about anything. His bad luck is that he's a guy. That's why his story ends on Virmire.

[Xarathox]

Shepard is not only a name, but a rank...given his historical lineage.

/endtroll

[Gabey5]

to be honest it does not matter who has command of the normandy as long as shepard can command the ground forces.

A Captain of a ship should not be going on away missions

[Xarathox]

Gabey5 wrote...

to be honest it does not matter who has command of the normandy as long as shepard can command the ground forces.

A Captain of a ship should not be going on away missions

Guess someone never watched Star Trek.

[DPSSOC]

Xarathox wrote...

G3rman wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

I wonder if we're going to get an explanation of how the Alliance just "took" my ship from me.

You surrender it as Hackett suggests at the end of Arrival..at least that's one way.

That would certainly fit for a paragon shep, but a renegade?

They drag you away in chains, kicking and screaming, and take your ship.  Your crew was all out on shore leave and you were asleep.

[General User]

The crew all got into the Kodiak and flew away for... some reason.

Modifié par General User, 12 février 2012 - 11:14 .

[DPSSOC]

Or that