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[DragonRageGT]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

DragonRageGT wrote...

That kid was playing with a toy spacecraft early in the video. It's not his imagination. But I can see why he can relate to the kid, being an orphan like him and all. At least the kid seemed to be one when Shepard met him later.

How can Shepard relate to him being an orphan unless your asssuming that eveyone picked the Earth Born or possibly the Colonist background. Yet the Spacer background we know for a fact Shepard has at least one living parent Hannah Shepard, Shepard's mom in other words not an orphan.

Canon Shepard, Earth Born, Sole Survivor... not all Shepards.  =)

[AlexXIV]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Arcian wrote...

I mean, really? It's basically REC with the serial number filed off.

EDIT: This is why you never take writing advice from the fans. Ever.

The actual execution may not be the best, but the sentiment is spot-on. If they are going to kill someone, it should be Diana Allers someone whom the player has at least a passing familiarity with, or, at the very least, someone who's sole reason for existence obviously was to die.

The problem isn't that a kid dies and Bioware trying to create drama by that. The problem is that you know from start that you are being set up. It like if you get a surprise party and knew it all along. The best you can do is fake surprise. The problem with Bioware writing is always the same. It is so predictable. So obvious. I mean if someone is doing something just to try to get you to cry, you will likely not cry. Because you know that.

Edit: And I guess the reason people laugh is the 'I knew it' effect. I didn't laugh, mind you, but I also 'knew it'.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 12 février 2012 - 09:52 .

[Nexis7]

we can all agree the music at that part was amazing
right, guys?
guys?
RIGHT?!
PLEASE BSN AGREE ON SOMETHING!
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!

[FlashHand777]

The funny part is if the kid got on the transport and flew off to safety, people would be complaining saying it was too Disney and unrealistic.

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

FlashHand777 wrote...

I don't agree, sometimes something or, in this case someone, can be used very effectively as a symbol to clarify and establish tone, setting, mood or whatever the story requires. The little girl in the red coat from Schindler's list comes to mind, there was a child we knew nothing about, not a name or word spoken, yet when Oscar Schindler glimses her frail body among the dead it was a powerful symbol, and acted as catharsis to the character. If a character is to spend significant time on screen, then yes, obviously fleshing out is required but to want such complexity from every single person is silly, sometimes just a simple message can be as effective and in my opinion this scene worked.

You know what made the girl in the red dress work in Schindler's list? The fact that her prescence was developed over the course of the entire movie, and was used to tell us something about Oskar Schindler's character. She was not just there to show the audience that people died in the Holocaust.

Also the fact that the Holocaust was a horrific crime against humanity that actually happened and not a fictional attack by space robots in a series that also features aliens singing Gilbert & Sullivan.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

I like the part were at the end, Shepard had the "I'm going to kill all of you" stare when the kid died.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Nexis7 wrote...

we can all agree the music at that part was amazing
right, guys?
guys?
RIGHT?!
PLEASE BSN AGREE ON SOMETHING!
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!

We all hated Deception.

[FlashHand777]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

FlashHand777 wrote...

I don't agree, sometimes something or, in this case someone, can be used very effectively as a symbol to clarify and establish tone, setting, mood or whatever the story requires. The little girl in the red coat from Schindler's list comes to mind, there was a child we knew nothing about, not a name or word spoken, yet when Oscar Schindler glimses her frail body among the dead it was a powerful symbol, and acted as catharsis to the character. If a character is to spend significant time on screen, then yes, obviously fleshing out is required but to want such complexity from every single person is silly, sometimes just a simple message can be as effective and in my opinion this scene worked.

You know what made the girl in the red dress work in Schindler's list? The fact that her prescence was developed over the course of the entire movie, and was used to tell us something about Oskar Schindler's character. She was not just there to show the audience that people died in the Holocaust.

Also the fact that the Holocaust was a horrific crime against humanity that actually happened and not a fictional attack by space robots in a series that also features aliens singing Gilbert & Sullivan.

You're entitled to your opinion, I'm not here to change it.
I'm arguing from a narrative point why it did work for me, the same way Schindler's list employed a symbol in such a way. That scene in Schindler's is effective in it's own right, not just because it happened in real life.

Modifié par FlashHand777, 12 février 2012 - 10:06 .

[SkywardDescent]

Would have been better without the scene in the vent, or at least if that scene had better writing and voice acting.

[staindgrey]

I haven't read the whole thread, so I don't know if this has been brought up...

The scene in which the kid's shuttle is blown up really bothers me. It's not that it was a transparent attempt to tug at your heart strings, nor is it the music (which was brilliant). It's the fact that during this moment, just above the blown up shuttles, the much larger target, The Normandy (which was targeted by the Collectors specifically for Shepard before) is hovering idly, watching, clearly within the Reaper's range. Rather than shoot at the Normandy, it shoots at two small shuttles, and ignores the Normandy altogether. Plus, after seeing this Reaper fire, what does Shepard do? Stand idly for a moment, then slowly enter the ship for take off.

It's little things like this that bother me. She's a Commander who's earned her standing by being a leader of men. She should be the first one saying, "We can't stay here. Everything's dying. MOVE."

[wolfennights]

Mass Effect a soap opera now...

[papapudding]

It would've been a moving moment had I not seen it in previous trailers...

[MrChowderClam]

The part where you see the normandy fly through the debris raining down through the atmosphere gives me goosebumps every time. :|

[AlexXIV]

FlashHand777 wrote...

The funny part is if the kid got on the transport and flew off to safety, people would be complaining saying it was too Disney and unrealistic.

No the funny part is if the kid got away it would be pointless. That's why I knew it wouldn't happen. I mean think about it. Why would they set the situation up like that and then just let him get away? What's the point? Right.

[What a Succulent Ass]

staindgrey wrote...
stuff

Actually, this bothered me too. More than the transparent attempt at emotional manipulation.

[FlashHand777]

AlexXIV wrote...

FlashHand777 wrote...

The funny part is if the kid got on the transport and flew off to safety, people would be complaining saying it was too Disney and unrealistic.

No the funny part is if the kid got away it would be pointless. That's why I knew it wouldn't happen. I mean think about it. Why would they set the situation up like that and then just let him get away? What's the point? Right.

Oh I agree it wasn't a surprise, even though I thought it worked.
What I meant was if they made it look like he was going to die and then got away then people would, I'm sure, be annoyed at that also.

[The Spamming Troll]

staindgrey wrote...

I haven't read the whole thread, so I don't know if this has been brought up...

The scene in which the kid's shuttle is blown up really bothers me. It's not that it was a transparent attempt to tug at your heart strings, nor is it the music (which was brilliant). It's the fact that during this moment, just above the blown up shuttles, the much larger target, The Normandy (which was targeted by the Collectors specifically for Shepard before) is hovering idly, watching, clearly within the Reaper's range. Rather than shoot at the Normandy, it shoots at two small shuttles, and ignores the Normandy altogether. Plus, after seeing this Reaper fire, what does Shepard do? Stand idly for a moment, then slowly enter the ship for take off.

It's little things like this that bother me. She's a Commander who's earned her standing by being a leader of men. She should be the first one saying, "We can't stay here. Everything's dying. MOVE."

i agree. theres the cutscene with the normandy just casually taking off with a reaper landing in its location.

shepards like "i told you the reapers were real! bye!"

[DragonRageGT]

staindgrey wrote...

I haven't read the whole thread, so I don't know if this has been brought up...

The scene in which the kid's shuttle is blown up really bothers me. It's not that it was a transparent attempt to tug at your heart strings, nor is it the music (which was brilliant). It's the fact that during this moment, just above the blown up shuttles, the much larger target, The Normandy (which was targeted by the Collectors specifically for Shepard before) is hovering idly, watching, clearly within the Reaper's range. Rather than shoot at the Normandy, it shoots at two small shuttles, and ignores the Normandy altogether. Plus, after seeing this Reaper fire, what does Shepard do? Stand idly for a moment, then slowly enter the ship for take off.

It's little things like this that bother me. She's a Commander who's earned her standing by being a leader of men. She should be the first one saying, "We can't stay here. Everything's dying. MOVE."

The Normandy has an advanced Reaper IFF installed. Maybe it didn't show as a threat to those big ugly scorpion shaped sentient machines?

[Jackster94]

It hit me hard because my child died last year from laser related injuries so the wound was still fresh

[Darth Death]

I don't like kids, so that particular scene failed to impact me. Also the kid was random and I knew nothing about him. My emotionally investment for the kid was 0%.

[Biobleh]

If only you could show even half of that passion to real people undergoing real suffering.

Scrub.

[Barheet1]

I find it more emotional when a helpless person dies at the hands of a monster than when a soldier dies. The little boy vs. Kaiden dying is a good example. As a soldier, you expect to die, or at least expect the possibility. Only minutes before, the boy was playing and having a good time...

[TexasToast712]

I had a short wave of sadness wash over me, then the anger at the Reapers set it. Just like Commander Shepard's reaction.

[Darth Death]

Biobleh wrote...

If only you could show even half of that passion to real people undergoing real suffering.

Scrub.

Were you addressing me?