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[FluffyScarf]

Replace ME2 with Lagrim and that comic still holds true. Don't try mentioning that on the Bethesduh forums. They have it in their tiny little heads that it's perfect.

[Chuvvy]

I have no doubt that it will receive critical acclaim, Mass Effect always has, and I have no doubt that it will be financially successful. EA's doing it's best to ensure that, celebrities playing squadmates, the nerd bait that is chobot, the high action trailers, the gears esque curb stomps, multiplayer, ect ect. But whether or not it will be a success to me, is up for debate, and my expectations going in are so low, what "success" is at this point isn't what success would be for say, a Rockstar, or a Naughty Dog game. And Bioware used to be up there with my favorite developers, I knew that if it had bioware on the box, I'd be looking at a candidate for my personal GOTY.

[scpulley]

Really really going to depend honestly on how well they treat the squad and explain why characters people are attached to are not in the squad in favor of lame new people no one has seen before. When it comes to ME, the squad had honestly been one of the shining pillars that made the series good. Yes, it was all about shepard, but the squad was important. More to the point, they were directly effected by in game choices. If Bioware simply writes off the squad from ME 2 in a similar way they did Liara and Ashley during ME 2, it's going to be bad. A lot of people will be pissed, and ultimately it won't matter if the game is solid or not, people will feel like someone failed to let them tell THEIR Shepard's story. Personally, I really hated how they wrote Ashley and Liara in ME 2. The only reason Liara was somewhat saved in the end was because of the expansion she got just for her. However, that came out much later.

To sum up, it will fail in a lot of people's eyes if they fail to respect the choices people made with squad mates that were central to their story for their Shepard. Shepard is not Bioware's character, its the players. They made the game that way so far and it would be a monumental letdown if they tried to change it now.

Modifié par scpulley, 13 février 2012 - 01:43 .

[Genshie]

scpulley wrote...

Really really going to depend honestly on how well they treat the squad and explain why characters people are attached to are not in the squad in favor of lame new people no one has seen before. When it comes to ME, the squad had honestly been one of the shining pillars that made the series good. Yes, it was all about shepard, but the squad was important. More to the point, they were directly effected by in game choices. If Bioware simply writes off the squad from ME 2 in a similar way they did Liara and Ashley during ME 2, it's going to be bad. A lot of people will be pissed, and ultimately it won't matter if the game is solid or not, people will feel like someone failed to let them tell THEIR Shepard's story. Personally, I really hated how they wrote Ashley and Liara in ME 2. The only reason Liara was somewhat saved in the end was because of the expansion she got just for her. However, that came out much later.

Long post short, it's will fail in a lot of people's eyes if they fail to respect the choices people made with squad mates that were central to their story for their Shepard. Shepard is not Bioware's character, its the players. They made the game that way so far and it would be a monumental letdown if they tried to change it now.

Technically you only have 1 new person. (This doesn't include a certain two characters since one is believed to be a dlc and the other got an upgrade basically and has been with you since ME2 just not as a squadie). You know that what you basically said in that entire post of yours is a very small fraction of what people may think.

[Chuvvy]

Genshie wrote...

Technically you only have 1 new person. (This doesn't include a certain two characters since one is believed to be a dlc and the other got an upgrade basically and has been with you since ME2 just not as a squadie). You know that what you basically said in that entire post of yours is a very small fraction of what people may think.

Throw technicalities around all you want, it doesn't change the fact that the new squad memeber, who may not be a new character is taking the place of one of the many squadmembers from ME1 and 2. There are just way too many characters in ME now. There's seventeen (not including Shepard) by my count, that's around ten too many. That's also not including the new squadmates or Joker and EDI.

[AlanC9]

Khran1505 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote..
Mass Effect is Dark Knight

CoD is Transformers.

I'd compare ME1 to Batman Begins and ME2 to a cross between the Dark Knight and Transformers.
Do note that I consider Batan Begins superior to Dark Knight.

What the hell's a batan?

It's hard to take your arguements seriously when you can't be bothered to do a simple spell check.

Oh, please. Lotion's arguments fall apart on their own -- you don't have to go with this sort of crap to attack them.

Edit: I mean his arguments in this particular thread. He's often right about stuff.

Modifié par AlanC9, 13 février 2012 - 02:48 .

[tobynator89]

OH THE DRAMA!

[Chuvvy]

Hunter of Legends wrote..
Mass Effect is Dark Knight

CoD is Transformers.

So Mass Effect would be forgetable were it not for the proformance of the main villian? Sounds about right actually.

[Hunter of Legends]

Slidell505 wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote..
Mass Effect is Dark Knight

CoD is Transformers.

So Mass Effect would be forgetable were it not for the proformance of the main villian? Sounds about right actually.

Can tell if trolling or just stupid...

[KotorEffect3]

Slidell505 wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote..
Mass Effect is Dark Knight

CoD is Transformers.

So Mass Effect would be forgetable were it not for the proformance of the main villian? Sounds about right actually.

Why even post here if you hate the series so much?

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Mass Effect 3 is superior to ME2 in almost every way... so far. Gameplay's got 1&2 beaten, hands down. Graphics are also at their best here too (haven't seen the series ever be this realistic before..). As for the rest, well we'll have to see.

[tch2296]

There's really no good reason to believe Mass Effect 3 will be any worse than its predecessors. In fact, there are many reasons to think it will surpass them both. However, it is adding many new features to Mass Effect that the first two games didn't have at all - the two bigs ones (in my opinion) are gonna be multiplayer and the Galaxy at War mechanic (they're actually both tied together).

I'm really, really looking forward to seeing how they pull off the Galaxy at War system. I think it has the potential to make the game way more interesting and add enormous amounts of replay value.

ME3 has HUGE potential. The graphics and gameplay have already (generally) been recognized as being superior to ME1 and 2, that's all we can really say so far. Once MP is unlocked, we'll get a better idea of how that is going to play out. In terms of other aspects of the game, like storyline and character development, we really have to wait until the full game is released.

It's hard to get a really good idea of any game just based on the demo. I remember being less than impressed by the ME2 demo, even though I ended up loving the full game.

[Ice Cold J]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote..
Mass Effect is Dark Knight

CoD is Transformers.

So Mass Effect would be forgetable were it not for the proformance of the main villian? Sounds about right actually.

Why even post here if you hate the series so much?

I LOVE Mass Effect and I kinda agree... I think what sets ME apart, plot-wise, is the scale of the antagonist(s).

ME does an EXCELLENT of character development and character interaction, too, but the idea of fighting a fleet of all-powerful, living starships?

That should be the dictionary definition of epic.

[frylock23]

For my part, a strong story is the thing that keeps me coming back to a game over and over again, and that's why I place ME1 over ME2. If there is no story to keep me compelled and interested, it doesn't matter how good the gameplay itself is, I won't get invested enough to keep coming back for more. And, make no mistake, when it comes to gameplay, ME2 is far superior to ME1.

However, I feel like ME2's story would have been less failtastic for me if they had made it the first in the series. Think about it. As it is, we have a less sinister threat than the one we faced down in ME1 and we spend the lion's share of the game recruiting squadmates and babysitting their daddy issues. It just plain feels like the opening in a long series rather then the middle segment. Even the end where we overcome the bad guys and finally find out some big reveals - that they're Protheans and that they're possible being puppeted by an even bigger and more sinister threat - feels like the cliffhanger that could have lead naturally into ME1 which didn't have to be changed all that much from what it already was. And then ME1's ending could have set us up for Arrival and ME3.

I think that would have made ME2 far more likable to be rather than the disappointing and diluted mess it wound up being. The save game files I have for both installments pretty much tell the tale of how engaging the two stories were to me. I have about 40 completed games for ME1 (even with the inferior and clunky gameplay), but  only 4 of those Sheps made it through ME2. I still have to run Arrival on two of those Sheps before ME3, and I look at it as a chore rather than a distinct pleasure, not because of the gameplay but because the story has so disengaged me. I'm just not in the mood to go shoot some random things through that same level ... again.

So, for the tl;dr version - it doesn't matter how good your gameplay mechanics are, if you can't mate them to a good story that catches my attention, I won't care enough to play them. Therefore, ME1 trumps ME2 for me every single time.

[azerSheppard]

Slidell505 wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote..
Mass Effect is Dark Knight

CoD is Transformers.

So Mass Effect would be forgetable were it not for the proformance of the main villian? Sounds about right actually.

I think he mean Bay vs Nolan. But i'd go with Cameron from Terminator 2 and Aliens to fit it.

Christopher Nolan is an overhyped and incapably director, it was true that the whole of the movie was carried by a decent plot combined with one of the most -surprisingly- awesome Joker performance of all time. Albert was fine too.

TBH Saren carried ME1 for me too, when i saw the original trailer i immediatly wanted the game, because of his persona. ME2 was carried by Sheen all the way, no other memorable moments or characters (aside from Legion, Mordin and Aria).

I geuss what he means is that mass effect is carried by the characters, while COD is carried by the mindless gunfights and explosion (nothing wrong with that).

[RebelTitan428]

failure

[Ninja Stan]

Sorry, but that's not a valid post to resurrect a 9-month-old discussion for.

End of line.