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[TheRevanchist]

Thats exactly what it means lol

[Rudy Lis]

kylecouch wrote...

Thats exactly what it means lol

Hm. Maybe I should stay in LE after all.

[DJBare]

http://social.biowar...ex/9243095&lf=8

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.

Just to keep newcomers to the thread up to speed.

100 pages, obviously there is a lot of passion regarding this subject.

Modifié par DJBare, 20 février 2012 - 07:59 .

[TheRevanchist]

kylecouch wrote...
I'm so damn tierd of seeing "MAYBE IT COMES AFTER DUH STFU!"...I will tell ALL OF YOU RIGHT NOW....WHY that is the STUPIDEST way to go about that. You wana talk about a trial giving **** pacing? How about having Reapers blow the HOLY HELL out of everything...then suddenly pausing the entire Galactic War AFTER IT STARTED to explain everything to us!? How is -that- NOT **** pacing?! How is explaining what happend BEFORE THE WAR STARTS AFTER THE WAR STARTS better pacing then showing it to us...idk BEFORE THE WAR STARTS!? Has RedLetterMedia taught you people nothing!?

Also this...to avoid all those "it will come later" ppl who insist on coming in here.

[Dragoonlordz]

My opinion has not changed, my disappointment still exists and my solution I proposed I would still love to see happen. But as far as this thread I would like only acknowledgment of our disappointment not that we are disappointed but more why, the hundred pages of explaining why felt this way after Chris stated he does not understand why we feel this way.

Chris Priestly wrote...

-snip-

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?

 

Not looking to change his mind, his feelings or looking for any sort of apology of any kind for anything on this but after the truly vast amount of explaining and effort we have gone to in response to his reply I wouldn't consider it to too brash to ask just simple question of if he understands now? To say or imply that the huge amount of disappointment felt may have a resolution at a later stage via some sort of DLC would be above and beyond what I just asked but would be my personal ideal. However I am not expecting either and especially the latter, it would just be nice.

I don't hate Chris, I don't hate even Stanley who quite often suspends me from these forums, I don't hate EA or Bioware and I don't even hate ME3. I am just asking if Chris understands now after talking and explaining it in response to his statement for over a hundred pages.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 20 février 2012 - 08:36 .

[Rudy Lis]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

My opinion has not changed, my disappointment still exists and my solution I proposed I would still love to see happen. But as far as this thread I would like acknowledgment of our disappointment not that we are disappointed but more why, the hundred pages of explaining why felt this way after Chris stated he does not understand why we feel this way.

Chris Priestly wrote...

-snip-

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?

 

Rudimentary creature of blood and flesh, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

[darthnick427]

 Ah yes "the trail".
 

The beginning of Mass Effect 3 where Shepard allegedly defends his actions and the destuction of the Alpha relay. We have dismissed that claim

[Almostfaceman]

wright1978 wrote...

But his survey was only based on Gameplay. There was no section to detail impressions of the story aspects.

This is incorrect, the very first rating was on overall impression of the demo.

[TheRevanchist]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

My opinion has not changed, my disappointment still exists and my solution I proposed I would still love to see happen. But as far as this thread I would like acknowledgment of our disappointment not that we are disappointed but more why, the hundred pages of explaining why felt this way after Chris stated he does not understand why we feel this way.

Chris Priestly wrote...

-snip-

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?

 

Rudimentary creature of blood and flesh, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

Our cash, is infinite, thousands of years after their company is gone, it, will endure. It has no begining, it has no end, it simply...is. We, are the end of everything, they live, because we allow it, and they will end, because we demand it.

[phimseto]

darthnick427 wrote...

 Ah yes "the trail".
 

The beginning of Mass Effect 3 where Shepard allegedly defends his actions and the destuction of the Alpha relay. We have dismissed that claim

You SOB.  Just had to spend a couple of minutes cleaning off the water from my keyboard after your post had me unceremoniously spitting it out.  

And yeah...this whole trial thing has me understanding exactly how Shepard must have felt when he got that treatment above! :-)

Modifié par phimseto, 20 février 2012 - 08:59 .

[AlanC9]

Rudy Lis wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Were you being kept in the darK? Excuse me, the f***ing dark. It's pretty obvious what happened to Shepard from the demo. What is it, exactly, that's unclear ?

Yes sir, complete and ****ing darkness. It's like WWII shooter - generally you know it's WWII, but what time period specifically is not clear.
Same in ME3 demo - generally we know what's going on, but not specifically. And if in WWII game you generally can pinpoint yourself to proper time period because you know WWII history and have some basis - here you cannot do that.

We're in the time period when the Reapers first arrive at Earth, down to the minute. That's pretty goddamn specific. 

I guess what you were trying to get at is that you don't know.... galactic fleet strengths and dispositions? The precise number of Reapers? Well, Shepard doesn't know those things, so you shouldn't either.

[TheRevanchist]

AlanC9 wrote...

Rudy Lis wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Were you being kept in the darK? Excuse me, the f***ing dark. It's pretty obvious what happened to Shepard from the demo. What is it, exactly, that's unclear ?

Yes sir, complete and ****ing darkness. It's like WWII shooter - generally you know it's WWII, but what time period specifically is not clear.
Same in ME3 demo - generally we know what's going on, but not specifically. And if in WWII game you generally can pinpoint yourself to proper time period because you know WWII history and have some basis - here you cannot do that.

We're in the time period when the Reapers first arrive at Earth, down to the minute. That's pretty goddamn specific. 

I guess what you were trying to get at is that you don't know.... galactic fleet strengths and dispositions? The precise number of Reapers? Well, Shepard doesn't know those things, so you shouldn't either.

Not really...we don't know why he knows Vega or who he even is, we don't know why Anderson is not a Councilor or even in the Alliance at ALL at this point. We don't know why everyone suddenly believes Shepard about Reapers when they've acted like hes nuts for the past 3 years. We don't know why some magicl "proof" that Shepard has which has been TOTALY absent during this entire story until now we have some magic proof we never see which for some reason prevents him from being accused of terrorist activities. There are a great many things we don't know about this situation. 

[AlanC9]

Il Divo wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Were you being kept in the darK? Excuse me, the f***ing dark. It's pretty obvious what happened to Shepard from the demo. What is it, exactly, that's unclear ?

I'd say so. Compare it to say ME2's intro. Yes, there is about a time gap during which Shepard could have learned any number of things the player isn't aware of, but ME2's opening crawl lets the player know the most pertinent points. ME3's intro moves way too fast and gives Shepard too much knowledge which the player did not have access to. And while I can't say whether the amount of auto dialogue will remain the same, at least letting players choose their responses at that juncture would go a long way to understanding the current situation.

Maybe you can help me with this. Which things does Shepard know in the demo that I don't know?

He knows more about who Vega is, sure, but I always figured Shepard knows a lot of people in the Alliance military that we haven't seen yet, and I'm sure the backstory's specifics will come out in the very first convo with Vega on the Normandy. Unless they've gone back to the ME1 model and you get the companion's backstory in installments.

[AlanC9]

kylecouch wrote...
Not really...we don't know why he knows Vega or who he even is, we don't know why Anderson is not a Councilor or even in the Alliance at ALL at this point. We don't know why everyone suddenly believes Shepard about Reapers when they've acted like hes nuts for the past 3 years. We don't know why some magicl "proof" that Shepard has which has been TOTALY absent during this entire story until now we have some magic proof we never see which for some reason prevents him from being accused of terrorist activities. There are a great many things we don't know about this situation. 

Those things strike me as being obvious or unimportant.

Vega's a  soldier. Shepard knows him from a way back. How far back.... isn't really relevant, is it? We're going to find that out soon enough, since that's what companion conversations do.

How Anderson left the Council isn't particularly important. He didn't especially like the job. Another thing we'll find out anyway, but won't change anything we do.

And thinking that Shepard has some magic proof about Reapers is just confused. The only proof Shepard has of the Reapers is the actual Reaper attack. That's what the opening scene is about -- they didn't believe him about the Reapers until it really was too late and the attack was in progress.

Shepard gets off from the Cerberus charges because he stopped the Collectors, not because of anything to do with Reapers. There's plenty of evidence of Collector attacks.

Modifié par AlanC9, 20 février 2012 - 09:24 .

[TheRevanchist]

AlanC9 wrote...

kylecouch wrote...
Not really...we don't know why he knows Vega or who he even is, we don't know why Anderson is not a Councilor or even in the Alliance at ALL at this point. We don't know why everyone suddenly believes Shepard about Reapers when they've acted like hes nuts for the past 3 years. We don't know why some magicl "proof" that Shepard has which has been TOTALY absent during this entire story until now we have some magic proof we never see which for some reason prevents him from being accused of terrorist activities. There are a great many things we don't know about this situation. 

Those things strike me as being obvious or unimportant.

Vega's a  soldier. Shepard knows him from a way back. How far back.... isn't really relevant, is it? We're going to find that out soon enough, since that's what companion conversations do.

How Anderson left the Council isn't particularly important. He didn't especially like the job. Another thing we'll find out anyway, but won't change anything we do.

And thinking that Shepard has some magic proof about Reapers is just confused. The only proof Shepard has of the Reapers is the actual Reaper attack. That's what the opening scene is about -- they didn't believe him about the Reapers until it really was too late and the attack was in progress.

Shepard gets off from the Cerberus charges because he stopped the Collectors, not because of anything to do with Reapers. There's plenty of evidence of Collector attacks.

Then you apparently played a totaly different demo. The ONLY reason he avoids a trial is because of what he knows about Reapers. "if it was anyone else, you would have been tried court-marshalled and discharged." it has NOTHING to do with Collector activites. And I find these things ARE importent...simply because YOU think they aren't means nothing. As for the "it will be explained later" defense...read my post near the top of the page...

[phimseto]

I have to disagree on that last point - that Anderson isn't on the council anymore *is* a big bit of WTF? If I hadn't read the books or were just playing from game to game, I would be seriously confused and pissed that this was just glossed over. You know...as inconceivable as it is, I hadn't even thought of that part (probably because I did know). Just another reason why the opening of the game is troubling.

[DPSSOC]

AlanC9 wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...
That wouldn't have been my ideal scenario but it would have done well enough. What really irks me about it is that all this was decided, Shepard's come to terms (more or less) with it, and everybody's ok with it while I'm being kept in the f***ing dark, and again it doesn't matter at this point if explanation is coming later, because it ceased to be relevant the minute we lost contact with the moon.

Were you being kept in the darK? Excuse me, the f***ing dark. It's pretty obvious what happened to Shepard from the demo. What is it, exactly, that's unclear ?

Ok if it's obvious then walk me through the events that lead from the Normandy in ME2 to where ever the hell we are in ME3.  How, when, and why did I go from captaining my own ship outside Alliance space to sitting in a room twiddling my thumbs waiting for a bunch of bureaucratic do nothings to call me in and attempt to avoid coming to terms with reality.  Keep in mind this has to be information contained within the demo, and applicable to all Shepards.

[Rudy Lis]

AlanC9 wrote...

We're in the time period when the Reapers first arrive at Earth, down to the minute. That's pretty goddamn specific. 

And I thought I'm captain Obvious here.

AlanC9 wrote...

I guess what you were trying to get at is that you don't know.... galactic fleet strengths and dispositions? The precise number of Reapers? Well, Shepard doesn't know those things, so you shouldn't either.

Flawless logic. Shepard doesn't know, so I shouldn't too, but that little fact that Shepard knows Vega and I have no slightest idea who that brute is - is very much fine.How's that? *Gizmo mode* "you don't need to concern yourself with that" is on?

No, I do not want to know number of Reapers - that's pure spoiler and it gives me nothing, because it's not linked to any scale - 250,000 of platinum is that much or not? Will it blend fit matchbox or dumptruck? Same with reapers - be that hundred or thousand it means nothing. Neither I do not want to know strengths and dispositions of all galactic fleets (pretty much useless, because all given characteristics were hilarious "it can pierce shield on any human ship", well, thank you very much, but how that should help me to calculate what those ships are capable of? ME2 cutscenes were even less useful, since "pwned/pwn" score between Normandy and collectors' ship is 1:1, so to speak), only human, to be more specific - those elements, stationed in and near Sol system. I want to know their characteristic, to be more specific - how fast they can go from point A to point B. I want to know how far those "blackouted" outposts located from Earth - since FTL communication is practically instant, you have to sent recon/runner ships to check situation and this will take time - how long, hours, days, weeks? I want to know how fast those outposts went blackout: five minutes - yes, that's surprise attack, five weeks - sorry, ffolks, you should not be killed by table, you should took your guns, send rounds in chambers, put muzzles to your temples and pull guddamn triggers because you ****ing incompetent. I wouldn't mind to know character of blackout - does it happen as isolated planets went blackout or by comm-buoy hubs? If hubs, that could mean that Reapers just severe communications, and this is one thing, if planets one by one, well, that means they descent on each planet one at a time and cleanse them. I want to know how much time Shepard spent on Earth after Arrival's events, after he had that conversation with Hackett and I wouldn't mind to know how Hackett got on Normandy in first place, since all that scene smells staged to me. I want to know when Shepard turned himself in and why, especially if he wasn't that paragon and was Cerberus loyal. I want to know what was done for time Shepard spent on Earth, because from what we've been given in Demo I have only one theory - Shepard and Vega probably spent time in circle jerk, while "defence" "committee" spent their time on extranet's version of facebook and youtube, seding likes to each other and exchanging links, maybe they played some casual games, like Solitaire and Thresher Maws versus Husks - Game of Millennia edition. while some poor recruits from basic repaint Normandy from her Boston Bruins to Vancouver Canucks colours using toothbrushes (otherwise it should consume less than 5-6 months), probably preparing it for next Golden Dragon event, under "other" category, since Games Workshop offered great prizes and Alliance needs money to "fund the war you know".

What I really don't know, what Anderson doing there and why he is wearing military uniform (and why Shepard wearing it, without any signs of being "demoted" or "discharged", developers were so lazy to draw some normal insignia?). Yeah, I foresee the future - "it's pretty obvious he resigned". Probably to justify some Udina punchfacing or - why not - killing him for "being indoctrinated". I wonder (though don't want to know that now), will turian councilor fall under that "indoctrinated" poor excuse?

It's not some small plot holes, it's glory holes and so far story looks like colander, covered with them (what's left from that colander - handle?).

What, it was that hard to explain that Alliance just perform barrel roll and use that "trial" as excuse to isolate Shepard from possible retribution? Even if ignoring his warnings - given "shock and awe" from that "committee board". It was hard to add just few strings of text to existing intro to add some meaning to time-event scale?

So, so far I support Wraith 02 saying, ME3 is really ideal place to start studying of ME universe, because you don't know what the **** is going on.

P.S. Just in case of my ban - farewell, it was good to know you.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 20 février 2012 - 10:24 .

[Klijpope]

kylecouch wrote...

Has RedLetterMedia taught you people nothing!?

Maybe you need to watch those reviews again.

Star Wars: BANG! little ship exchanging fire with immmmeeennnnsssseeeee ship

TMP: some talk about taxing trade routes, a dispute and some kind of vague something.

Again, not disputing that a trial would be a nice thing, but it is more TMP than SW.

It's also fan service. Begin a game with fan service? No, you begin with a tutorial level - and that's not a formal dialogue in a courtroom. It's learn the new control set up in a scripted level.

And even if the game did begin with the minimal versions folk have presented here, I suspect the levels of complaint would be the same, and come from similar quarters.

[Lee T]

It seems to me that the real problem is the decisions to have a story element that could change ME3's beginning in a DLC. Basically shooting themselves in the foot as they would have to both address it to reward those who played the DLC and ignore it for the benefit of those who didn't play the DLC.

[Skyblade012]

Almostfaceman wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

But his survey was only based on Gameplay. There was no section to detail impressions of the story aspects.

This is incorrect, the very first rating was on overall impression of the demo.

No, the first rating is "the demo overall".  And there is no rating for story.

Here's another survey for you: http://social.biowar...86/polls/28542/  And this one is just about the intro's story.

Overall positive, yep.

Modifié par Skyblade012, 20 février 2012 - 11:23 .

[wright1978]

Skyblade012 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

But his survey was only based on Gameplay. There was no section to detail impressions of the story aspects.

This is incorrect, the very first rating was on overall impression of the demo.

No, the first rating is "the demo overall".  And there is no rating for story.

Here's another survey for you: http://social.biowar...86/polls/28542/  And this one is just about the intro's story.

Overall positive, yep.

Cheers, saved me from having to dig up the link to that poll.

[Klijpope]

Pretty loaded poll. It's either dislike or fanboy - these questions need nuance.

ie: make statement, then - strongly agree / somewhat agree / somewhat disagree / strongly disagree

[TheRevanchist]

Klijpope wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Has RedLetterMedia taught you people nothing!?

Maybe you need to watch those reviews again.

Star Wars: BANG! little ship exchanging fire with immmmeeennnnsssseeeee ship

TMP: some talk about taxing trade routes, a dispute and some kind of vague something.

Again, not disputing that a trial would be a nice thing, but it is more TMP than SW.

It's also fan service. Begin a game with fan service? No, you begin with a tutorial level - and that's not a formal dialogue in a courtroom. It's learn the new control set up in a scripted level.

And even if the game did begin with the minimal versions folk have presented here, I suspect the levels of complaint would be the same, and come from similar quarters.

I know those movies like the back of my hand...but if I recall...the point where that starts is where it applies to this conversation. Following through with something that was basiclly plasterd in a giant neon sign is NOT "fan service", sorry to disapoint you...what it IS is comprehensive continuety.

[TonyTitan]

Isn't ME3 demo just starting out like ME2 did though? (Meaning you did NOT import a character over from ME1)

ME2 began where Shepard met Anderson on the Citadel....Udina was a Councilor, the original council was dead, and Shepard had no chance of becoming a Specter again. (Since Udina felt Shepard was to 'rogue'.....even after defeating Saren.)

So to me that is just kinda building some back story for someone who never played ME1....It was only after you imported your character over to ME2 where you saw your decisions REALLY play out in the game.

I'm 'guessing' that the ME3 demo is simply reflecting the same type of scenario as ME2 began with....Anderson was not a Council member, and Shepard was not a Specter. But once you import your ME2 character over to ME3, and if you had Anderson as Councilor, and Shepard was reinstated as a Specter, and the Original Council survived the attack on the Citadel, THEN some dialogue might take place addressing those things. (I hope so anyways)

As for the lack of the trial? Disappointing. I was looking forward to it. Hackett just made a HUGE deal out of the whole thing with his debrief after 'Arrival'. I can understand BioWare's decision not to include it, or possibly even them not understanding why we'd like to have it.......but hopefully after all of this discussion about it, maybe they could create a Video of it or something. Maybe have one video of all paragon responses, one all renegade, and maybe one that runs neutral....then simply have it as something we could watch later??? Maybe on a monitor in the Captain's quarters. IDK...Just tossing out suggestions.

But not showing a trial at all, kinda defeats the whole ending of Arrival. I'm certain the Batarian's were not simply going to let everything 'slide'....

Modifié par TonyTitan, 20 février 2012 - 11:58 .