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[CaptainZaysh]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Yes I know. But you see had you read the bolded section in the other post. Thats another source by the way. You would have understood the question. But I guess you were confused by not reading the other source that was related to the post I made but not included in it. oops.

Maybe it's just your really poor grammar and spelling that's hindering things.

[AkiKishi]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Yes I know. But you see had you read the bolded section in the other post. Thats another source by the way. You would have understood the question. But I guess you were confused by not reading the other source that was related to the post I made but not included in it. oops.

Maybe it's just your really poor grammar and spelling that's hindering things.

Don't really care speed works for me. Seems you missed the joke on you though.

[Farbautisonn]

tmp7704 wrote...having to defend your actions establishes tone that matches very much the tone of the entire game. That is, being on the backfoot and having to convince others to see things your way, in order to end the crisis.

-What precisely do you get to "defend" in that tribuneral? Where is your epic disposition, rhetorical wonder, cunning demagogerie that convinces the Admiralty that you are right and that this is the reapers?

You say: "Its the reapers".
Admiralty says "Whaah... what do we do, what do we do?"
You say: "You CAN ACT LIKE A MAN!!!"


The admiralty looks like children. Not like officers in any mans army.

[CaptainZaysh]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Don't really care speed works for me. Seems you missed the joke on you though.

If they wrote dialogue like you write forum posts, ME3 would really be in trouble.

VEGA:
the defence comitee neads you sheapard

SHEPARD:
your not.  supposed to call me that.  james

Modifié par CaptainZaysh, 21 février 2012 - 08:39 .

[Dragoonlordz]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Yes I know. But you see had you read the bolded section in the other post. Thats another source by the way. You would have understood the question. But I guess you were confused by not reading the other source that was related to the post I made but not included in it. oops.

Maybe it's just your really poor grammar and spelling that's hindering things.

Grammar attacks, the last resort of those without anything constructive left to say. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 février 2012 - 08:39 .

[TheRevanchist]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Thats because I did not disagree. I expanded on what you said. 

I thought so...just wanted to be totaly sure!

[CaptainZaysh]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Grammar attacks, the last resort of those without anything constructive left to say. 

You're right, but being bashed for my reading comprehension by a guy who can't spell or construct proper sentences is a bit galling.

[AkiKishi]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Don't really care speed works for me. Seems you missed the joke on you though.

If they wrote dialogue like you write forum posts, ME3 would really be in trouble.

VEGA:
the defence comitee neads you sheapard

SHEPARD:
your not.  supposed to call me that.  james

Your point being ? If I was writing seriously I would put some actual effort into it. Since I confused you by giving two sources  you just shot down your own arguement. Now you are trying to cover by doing the old spelling grammar bit.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 21 février 2012 - 08:42 .

[tmp7704]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Wrong.  Here's what we're shown.

(1) Shepard has been recalled to Earth.
(2) Shepard has been relieved of duty.
(4) Shepard has not been severely punished thanks to Anderson and the Committee's leniency.
(5) Shepard is being chaperoned by a tough marine called James Vega, who respects Shepard, and knows the VS.

All these we're only told by characters present in the scenes. You aren't shown Shepard being recalled to Earth. You are not shown Shepard being relieved of duty. You are not shown Shepard avoiding punishment. You know nothing about Vega because you only see him show up, salute Shepard and walk two dozen steps together with the dialogue that boils down to "What's going on?" "I dunno".

[DJBare]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

You're right, but being bashed for my reading comprehension by a guy who can't spell or construct proper sentences is a bit galling.

You got trounced, it stings I know, but you will get over it.

[Dreadwing 67]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Don't really care speed works for me. Seems you missed the joke on you though.

If they wrote dialogue like you write forum posts, ME3 would really be in trouble.

VEGA:
the defence comitee neads you sheapard

SHEPARD:
your not.  supposed to call me that.  james

I am. Captain. Kirk of the. Starship Enter. Prize.

[CaptainZaysh]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Your point being ? If I was writing seriously I would put some actual effort into it. Since I confused you by giving two sources I you just shot down your own arguement. Now you are trying to cover by doing the old spelling grammar bit.

Le sigh.  Are we really doing this?

You asked a question ("why is a piece of writing good if you can't understand it without referring to other work").  I answered it ("what bit don't you understand").  Admittedly I answered your question with a question but I was hoping to draw you out on why you could understand the intro to, say, GoW yet not comprehend ME3.

You responded by saying I didn't answer your question, which made me think maybe I didn't (in part because your writing style is so "speedy").  So I made the foolish mistake of actually asking you to clarify your meaning, which you're now crowing about as a declaration of your argument's superiority.  So...congratulations on winning the argument, I guess.

[Iakus]

kylecouch wrote...
Cept we're not shown a damn thing...we're told we hasn't put on trial for reasons that don't make sense. We're told he has received some sort of punishment for reasons we know nothing about. We are left to assume and interpret what has happend ourselves...this is not the the right way to tell a story.

Precisely.

This six months or so gap isn't as bad as "You were dead" but it's confuzzling and rushed.  Since I played both ME games and Arrival, I can pretty easily put together what happened in those six months.  Still, it would be nice to have some explanation as to why those two droids are standing outside that bunker in the desert.

I'm a big fan of show, don't tell.  But failing that, at least showing me a card with background info written on it seems like a good idea.  Having characters tell me what's been going on doesn'
t quite sit right.  Good thing the previous games/dlc showed me already, huh?  

Modifié par iakus, 21 février 2012 - 08:49 .

[AkiKishi]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Your point being ? If I was writing seriously I would put some actual effort into it. Since I confused you by giving two sources I you just shot down your own arguement. Now you are trying to cover by doing the old spelling grammar bit.

Le sigh.  Are we really doing this?

You asked a question ("why is a piece of writing good if you can't understand it without referring to other work").  I answered it ("what bit don't you understand").  Admittedly I answered your question with a question but I was hoping to draw you out on why you could understand the intro to, say, GoW yet not comprehend ME3.

You responded by saying I didn't answer your question, which made me think maybe I didn't (in part because your writing style is so "speedy").  So I made the foolish mistake of actually asking you to clarify your meaning, which you're now crowing about as a declaration of your argument's superiority.  So...congratulations on winning the argument, I guess.

Bingo
 
People are asking for the trial to clarify the meaning behind events as presented in ME3.That would then put everyone on the same page and not depend on whether you have played arrival/read conviction.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 21 février 2012 - 08:50 .

[CaptainZaysh]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Bingo
 
People are asking for the trial to clarify the meaning behind events as presented in ME3.

No, Bob, not Bingo.  Not Bingo at all.  Asking you to clarify your complaint that I didn't answer your question is not the same as you asking BioWare to include further exposition.

[Farbautisonn]

CaptainZaysh wrote...
No, Bob, not Bingo.  Not Bingo at all.  Asking you to clarify your complaint that I didn't answer your question is not the same as you asking BioWare to include further exposition.

-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4

[CaptainZaysh]

Farbautisonn wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...
No, Bob, not Bingo.  Not Bingo at all.  Asking you to clarify your complaint that I didn't answer your question is not the same as you asking BioWare to include further exposition.

-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4

[AkiKishi]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Bingo
 
People are asking for the trial to clarify the meaning behind events as presented in ME3.

No, Bob, not Bingo.  Not Bingo at all.  Asking you to clarify your complaint that I didn't answer your question is not the same as you asking BioWare to include further exposition.

Yes it is because had you refered to the other post (other source) then you would have understood things. Not consulting that other source led to your confusion.

As much fun as this is I think I've got an easier way.

When they released ME2 on the PS3 they included a comic. This comic allowed you to choose the key events from ME and put them into a context to prepare you for what happens in the introduction and choices of ME2.
The trial would do the same thing for ME3 put everyone on the same page with the same information.

As things stand only people who have played Arrival and read Conviction have that background detail.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 21 février 2012 - 09:00 .

[Farbautisonn]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

People are asking for the trial to clarify
the meaning behind events as presented in ME3.That would then put
everyone on the same page and not depend on whether you have played
arrival/read conviction.


Read it again. Slowly.

[phimseto]

BobSmith101 wrote...

As things stand only people who have played Arrival and read Conviction have that background detail.

Correction: Arrival, Conviction, *and* Retribution, which covers how Anderson went back into the Alliance.  The more I think about it and the more I hear the reactions of my friends, that last part is going to throw many returning players for an unhappy, frustrating loop.  

And again...the trial does matter, but really what matters is that the beginning be far more substantial that what's hinted at in the demo.  By "far more", I mean more than a few extra exchanges in the walk between the detention area and the boardroom.  

Modifié par phimseto, 21 février 2012 - 09:04 .

[Dragoonlordz]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Bingo
 
People are asking for the trial to clarify the meaning behind events as presented in ME3.

No, Bob, not Bingo.  Not Bingo at all.  Asking you to clarify your complaint that I didn't answer your question is not the same as you asking BioWare to include further exposition.

My own issue with your stance is you held up GoW as good writing or atleast in sense of how come was not an issue in that but is one in ME3. I did not buy GoW, I will not be buying GoW, I consider it to be far lower quality writing and story then expect from Bioware and it relies so heavy on shooter and no personal character development. Different things altogether, I do not complain about GoW because I did not buy GoW. I plan on buying ME3 and if resorts to GoW's lower quality writing and story approach plus removing the RPG elements (yes I know RPG is subjective), then I will end up not buying ME3 either. It's just not what I am interested in or look for in a game.

As it stands right now I am not at that stage and it has just created two major concerns about the full retail game based on the demonstration. Those are huge concerns but I only have demo to go on so can't decide based on that alone right now. The demonstration also created 2 minor concerns and there was one concern regardless of demo to begin with. My two biggest concerns come from the start of game and impact on rest of it. Extreme use of auto dialogue and poor introduction which I consider poor quality story telling, it breaks persona and immersion of my character created through past two games. The trial itself is just an element that effects one of those concerns but the introduction as a whole is the major part.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 février 2012 - 09:11 .

[mauro2222]

No trial huh? Figures.

I never use "Bioware is cathering to newcomers" phrase as support, but in this case, it's true.

[Farbautisonn]

phimseto wrote...

 Anderson went back into the Alliance. 

-Wat? Ive been a rather regular poster and lurker here and I didnt get that. I even played Arrival.

Moar evidence to the fact that anyone who hasnt played the DLC's and hung around the Fora intensively havent got a bastard clue.

[CaptainZaysh]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Yes it is because had you refered to the other post (other source) then you would have understood things. Not consulting that other source led to your confusion.

*Insert facepalm image here*

BobSmith101 wrote...
When the released ME2 on the PS3 they included a comic. This comic allowed you to choose the key events from ME and put them into a context to prepare you for what happens in the introduction and choices of ME2.
The trial would do the same thing for ME3 put everyone on the same page with the same information.

As things stand only people who have played Arrival and read Conviction have that background detail.

One of the devs said that the comic didn't work very well.  It just mystified new players because they had very little context in which to make the decisions of the first game.  ("Umm...I guess her, because she's blue?")

This is one of the reasons I think a trial scene is such an incredibly stupid idea.  It serves no purpose for newcomers to the story, except to alienate them - how can you put someone on trial for events they have no recollection of taking part in?  Damn it, Shepard, why did you overload the Jalubian Defence Matrix in Sector Nine?  Um...no idea, your honour?

[Heather Cline]

The thing is the comic that was mentioned the book that was mentioned still doesn't clarify what happened at Shepard's trial. In fact it still leaves people asking questions and wanting to see and play through the trial itself. We were told that was going to happen and now it's not. This isn't a good way to finish up a trilogy especially one with so many people invested in it.