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[TheRevanchist]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

phimseto wrote...

Holy crap, that Guardian piece is distressing. Seems like EA's kind of reviewer though: was nonplussed about the lack of story depth (euphemistically calling the opening "stage setting", seemingly with a straight face). Post earth is a trip to mars which is overloaded with combat and negligible on story. He thinks the series' only flaw was vehicle exploration and that multiplayer is a great and exciting addition. Gag.

Not a lot to be encouraged about...

How was it distressing?  They didn't say the story lacked depth or anything...all they said was that Mars was an action heavy mission with only one puzzle (not that there were many before, and that may be one more than what ME2 had) and that there was a lack of XP available (the only thing distressing to me).  There was nowhere stating that story was neglected, just that Mars is the first mission with sustainable gameplay.

You all really like to take things way out of context.

So we have Earth lacking story for the sake of gunfighting...and then we have Mars lacking story for the sake of gunfighting. We're not saying the whole games like this...but the apparent pattern that is forming is indeed troubleing.

If this ends up being the best part of ME3...I will be disapointed.

Again, where does it say the story is lacking?  There is story present when playing through the action.  You don't always have to stop every 2 seconds to answer a dialogue option to get story.

I'm not trying to lob everyone together on the hate-train...I myself felt the Earth level to be very disjointed in the demo...but my issue is things getting taken out of context in the story so that it can fit someone's argument.  America has politicians for that.

How often has ME given us story during gunplay? it is eaither given between shootouts or between missions for the most part. most ME story (or bioware story in general really) is never given during combat...so when we hear it's combat heavy yet again like Earth...which has left a terrible taste on our mouth, one can only assume this is a type of pattern.

[TheRevanchist]

wtf is Prometheus?

[DaJe]

kylecouch wrote...

wtf is Prometheus?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/

[Dragoonlordz]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

phimseto wrote...

Holy crap, that Guardian piece is distressing. Seems like EA's kind of reviewer though: was nonplussed about the lack of story depth (euphemistically calling the opening "stage setting", seemingly with a straight face). Post earth is a trip to mars which is overloaded with combat and negligible on story. He thinks the series' only flaw was vehicle exploration and that multiplayer is a great and exciting addition. Gag.

Not a lot to be encouraged about...

How was it distressing?  They didn't say the story lacked depth or anything...all they said was that Mars was an action heavy mission with only one puzzle (not that there were many before, and that may be one more than what ME2 had) and that there was a lack of XP available (the only thing distressing to me).  There was nowhere stating that story was neglected, just that Mars is the first mission with sustainable gameplay.

You all really like to take things way out of context.

So we have Earth lacking story for the sake of gunfighting...and then we have Mars lacking story for the sake of gunfighting. We're not saying the whole games like this...but the apparent pattern that is forming is indeed troubleing.

If this ends up being the best part of ME3...I will be disapointed.

Again, where does it say the story is lacking?  There is story present when playing through the action.  You don't always have to stop every 2 seconds to answer a dialogue option to get story.

I'm not trying to lob everyone together on the hate-train...I myself felt the Earth level to be very disjointed in the demo...but my issue is things getting taken out of context in the story so that it can fit someone's argument.  America has politicians for that.

See it from the stand point of did not counter our concerns, the way he explained what to expect and of content described. He only mentions two dialogue scenes specifically with one prior to Mars which implied (even if not the case) that you are forced where to go rather than having ability to choose for yourself plus at end of the Mars mission (as said hope he glossed over a lot becuase if not this does not make people feel better). Thats the crux of the problem with the review, it does nothing to lower the concerns have or shed light on something that would improve upon our disappointment with start of the game. I am hoping he was playing in Action mode and that he chose to skip over all the actual good parts (RPG and character freedom and choices), rather than them not existing to the extent he implies.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 22 février 2012 - 05:36 .

[Squallypo]

by the way what review are you guys talking about ?

[TheRevanchist]

DaJe wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

wtf is Prometheus?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/

Oh yea...saw the movie poster for that when I watched Secret World of Arriety the other day.

I think John Carter looks way cooler

[TheRevanchist]

Klijpope wrote...

 This from a fresh Guardian games blog preview - from the first 90 mins.

That one

[Squallypo]

thers not much to say about that review.

[TheRevanchist]

Squallypo wrote...

thers not much to say about that review.

I know...we're concerned too...

[TheRevanchist]

I think i know what secret weapon the protheans were building....

[Farbautisonn]

kylecouch wrote...

I think i know what secret weapon the protheans were building....

-Wat?

[TheRevanchist]

Farbautisonn wrote...
-Wat?

Le sigh....such a shame that it's glory is not known to you...

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

kylecouch wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...
-Wat?

Le sigh....such a shame that it's glory is not known to you...

I, he and many aren't Japanese.

[TheRevanchist]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...
-Wat?

Le sigh....such a shame that it's glory is not known to you...

I, he and many aren't Japanese.

I'm not eaither...but Anime is not just a Japanese thing...

[Farbautisonn]

kylecouch wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...
-Wat?

Le sigh....

-9gag freakazoid detected.  (I keeed I keed).

[blacqout]

kylecouch wrote...

blacqout wrote...

The Dragon Age II demo did differ from the opening of the actual game. At one point Varric asks Cassandra if she's afraid he'll just make it all up, and she says with some exasperation "will you?"... but in the actual game she replies with the far more authoritive "not. at. all".

I'm sure the opening experienced in the demo will not be the same as in the full release.

Ahhh...but heres the difference....the DA2 demo was confirmed to be a older build of the game...this demo build is so fresh it is what we see in the final product.

To be honest, i've not been following development too closely so as to avoid spoilers... but even if what we played through in the demo features as is in the actual game, there is nothing to suggest that it wasn't an edited version and that there will be more to the game's opening.

[Ghost-621]

Sacrificing story for shooting. Thanks Bioware. Really stayed true to the series.

[TheRevanchist]

Oh hell...I think I just learned a spoiler...not sure...if its true then....Bioware is forever lost to us...

[Klijpope]

Some people really cannot read properly:

"A brief exchange with Admiral Anderson established that Shepard would be allowed to resume command of the Normandy if the reaper invasion he was predicting did take place."

That did not appear in the demo. Ergo, there's stuff cut out.

Actually this thread is really unbelievable. Something that, at worst, is a minor disappointment (something that is inevitable given unrealistic expectations), is now a 'fiasco', and 'proves' Bioware has lost it, the writers are sh*t, you have been betrayed, we're not getting what we were promised. Yadda, yadda, bleh.

Seriously, take a look at yourselves. You should be ashamed at the childishness that's gone on here. God help you if something bad were to really happen to you, as you would not have the words for it.

Seriously, get a grip. Many of you are in danger of talking yourselves out of enjoying this game, warts and all, and even if it does meet/exceed our expectations, you've walled yourselves into this pathetic little corner of hate.

It's a shame - there's been some interesting discussions on here, but in this thread in particular, minds are closed.

Good luck with your game....

Modifié par Klijpope, 22 février 2012 - 06:19 .

[Dragoonlordz]

kylecouch wrote...

Oh hell...I think I just learned a spoiler...not sure...if its true then....Bioware is forever lost to us...

I don't wish to know at this stage then. I already have enough concerns that have me worried about possible enjoyment can gain from this title. I think I have crossed the line into ignorance is bliss stage regarding new issues and concerns. Resolution to current ones is what I wish to focus on now.

[Dragoonlordz]

Klijpope wrote...

Some people really cannot read properly:

"A brief exchange with Admiral Anderson established that Shepard would be allowed to resume command of the Normandy if the reaper invasion he was predicting did take place."

That did not appear in the demo. Ergo, there's stuff cut out.

Actually this thread is really unbelievable. Something that, at worst, is a minor disappointment (something that is inevitable given unrealistic expectations), is now a 'fiasco', and 'proves' Bioware has lost it, the writers are sh*t, you have been betrayed, we're not getting what we were promised. Yadda, yadda, bleh.

Seriously, take a look at yourselves. You should be ashamed at the childishness that's gone on here. God help you if something bad were to really happen to you, as you would not have the words for it.

Seriously, get a grip. Many of you are in danger of talking yourselves out of enjoying this game, warts and all, and even if it does meet/exceed our expectations, you've walled yourselves into this pathetic little corner of hate.

It's a shame - there's been some interesting discussions on here, but in this thread in particular, minds are closed.

Good luck with your game....

Minor or major is subjective, minor to you major to others. Using hyperbole in response does you no credit and slapping everyone with one giant swipe using the largest paint brush can find again paints yourself in not a very good light. Talking about what we have seen and played is the only thing we can do right now, expressing any disappointment in those elements and discussing any concerns on impact might have for rest of the game is valid.

I and many others have very much said we hope the game will be great in other areas, to call criticism of some of the (parts and elements) that have experienced childish is not a smart thing to do. Using the term hate implying haters is not productive and in itself neive. Criticism of the parts we have seen and praise for others is what most of us have done, we have high hopes and expectations for the game but some elements have lowered those and we hope we are wrong (that the full title resolves our concerns), however the criticism for most part have been civil, is valid and our concerns are reasonable based on what have seen.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 22 février 2012 - 06:31 .

[Farbautisonn]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Oh hell...I think I just learned a spoiler...not sure...if its true then....Bioware is forever lost to us...

I don't wish to know at this stage then. I already have enough concerns that have me worried about possible enjoyment can gain from this title. I think I have crossed the line into ignorance is bliss stage regarding new issues and concerns. Resolution to current ones is what I wish to focus on now.

-This.

[Farbautisonn]

Klijpope wrote...
Seriously, take a look at yourselves. You should be ashamed at the childishness that's gone on here. God help you if something bad were to really happen to you, as you would not have the words for it.

-Thanks for the psycho analysis, judgemental zealous holier-than-thou paladin esque peptalk. You have **** all Idea about who we are and you apparently cannot be bothered to learn the difference between concerned critisizm and ranting.

The only "childishness" displayed here is from people who believe that the world is black and white.

[Klijpope]

I've read enough ranting on 112 pages of uber-whine to know the difference. There is very little critical thinking going on in this thread - and I'll accept your barbs, but judgemental zealous holier-than-thou pretty much describes every post in this thread. Pot and kettle...

Someone pretty vocal called me "disgusting" for having a differing opinion earlier on. Whatever...

But there's no way any of this 'concerned criticism' can ever be taken seriously with the level of abuse, hyperbole, and downright hystericism on display, so if you really did want to make a difference, you've gone the wrong way about it.

Let's put it in perspective - this thread has more or less the same number posts as the ME: Deception thread, which was about something categorically bad writing and busted plotting, by people that had read at least 3 whole chapters (several the entire novel). This one it screaming PANIC, PANIC, at an edited 3-4 minute intro.

But there's really been no point trying to have a reasonable discussion here - most folk have prejudged it (and, if you'd note, I am 'pro-trial', if not at the beginning).

Anyway, have fun slapping each others backs...

[Farbautisonn]

I must have followed a completely different thread than you, but hey, have fun doing what you do, whatever that might be.