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[elearon1]

Klijpope wrote...

I've read enough ranting on 112 pages of uber-whine to know the difference. There is very little critical thinking going on in this thread.

Uh huh, uh huh ... and in the 112 pages you read - because you seem to be suggesting you did read them all - what about the people who are saying, "I'm sure the game is going to be great, but why did they choose to screw up the beginning like that?" (paraphrased)  Because a huge chunk of the complaints are boiling down to that, rather than "THE SKY IS FALLING!". (though there are some who are saying that as well, I'll give you) 

It seems to be if we have a thread running 112 pages on what amounts to a 5 minute stretch of game, it must follow that those five minutes are very important to a very large, and/or very vocal slice of the community.  

It could be that some feel the first 5 minutes set the stage for the rest of the game.  For others it is that the first 5 minutes should be wrapping up the events of ME2 for their characters and bridging the gap into the 3rd game and they are not getting that - which leaves them with a huge disconnect in the story: "Why is my character on Earth?  Why did she give up her ship?  Why would she have turned herself over to Alliance authorities?  Why ..."

In a game franchise which purportes to let you make the choices and choose your path it is jarring to suddenly walk on stage and find a number of life changing decisions taken out of your hands.  A lot of people are afraid this does not auger well for the game as a whole.

So, yeah, there are some valid concerns and some valid frustrations.  Before you start boiling this entire thread down into mindless vitriol maybe you should go back and actually read more of those 112 pages. 

Modifié par elearon1, 22 février 2012 - 11:50 .

[Rudy Lis]

chengthao wrote...

hellsjarhead wrote...

The trial will be released as DLC most likely

^this

Dreams, dreams. Most unlikely. I want to know who will create estimation of development, because by my estimations this DLC will be either expensive, just because there are just few of us really disappointed with trial omittance from game, or crappy, because even if Mark Meer will work for food, I doubt his talent alone should be enough to create decent trial.
Maybe if only they include some erotic theme items with that DLC, then maybe it will be popular.


2elearon1 - that's brilliant.
Where is clapping smilie, dammit!

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 22 février 2012 - 11:31 .

[Dragoonlordz]

elearon1 wrote...

Klijpope wrote...

I've read enough ranting on 112 pages of uber-whine to know the difference. There is very little critical thinking going on in this thread.

Uh huh, uh huh ... and in the 112 pages you read - because you seem to be suggested you did read them all - what about the people who are saying, "I'm sure the game is going to be great, but why did they choose to screw up the begining like that?" (paraphrased)  Because a huge chunk of the complaints are boiling down to that, rather than "THE SKY IS FALLING!". (though there are some who are saying that as well, I'll give you) 

It seems to be if we have a thread running 112 pages on what ammounts to a 5 minute stretch of game, it must follow that those five minutes are very important to a very large, and/or very vocal slice of the community.  

It could be that some feel the first 5 minutes set the stage for the reset of the game.  For others it is that the first 5 minutes should be wrapping up the events of ME2 for their characters and bridging the gap into the 3rd game and they are not getting that - which leaves them with a huge disconnect in the story: "Why is my character on Earth?  Why did she give up her ship?  Why would she have turned herself over to Alliance authorities?  Why ..."

In a game franchise which purportes to let you make the choices and choose your path it is jarring to suddenly walk on stage and find a number of life changing decisions taken out of your hands.  A lot of people are afraid this does not auger well for the game as a whole.

So, yeah, there are some valid concerns and some valid frustrations.  Before you start boiling this entire thread down into mindless vitriol maybe you should go back and actually read more of those 112 pages. 

Very valid post with great deal of rational content. Nicely done.

[TheRevanchist]

Wait...whats this about silk underwear DLC? wtf are we talking about?

[Dragoonlordz]

hellsjarhead wrote...

The trial will be released as DLC most likely

I actually hope so, further more would increase my enjoyment if they expand beyond just the trial a fair amount. It has been six months since left my Shepard standing on the bridge of his ship followed by standing in a room on Earth.

As mentioned prior and in great detail in my review, the comics/ books and other forms of media in order to fill in the blanks simply is not what I either enjoy or prefer by any means. The character portrayed in those is not the man or woman I left standing on my bridge, his or her persona is not the one I spent hundreds of hours shaping and his actions and appearance is also not my Shepard's. Those other formats allow for no interaction, no way of bridging the gap via story involving my character I spend so much time developing and if done through medium of game content and DLC at least then those gaps can be filled without breaking immersion or cohesion to such a vast degree.  

@Rudy, Still think you write like a hummingbird or brain in overdrive and fingers like ninja trying to keep up or maybe a crazy person but still makes me laugh. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 22 février 2012 - 11:48 .

[Rudy Lis]

kylecouch wrote...

Wait...whats this about silk underwear DLC? wtf are we talking about?

That's sarcasm, regarding "alternate appearance packs", full of sunshades visors and pathos.

[TheRevanchist]

Rudy Lis wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Wait...whats this about silk underwear DLC? wtf are we talking about?

That's sarcasm, regarding "alternate appearance packs", full of sunshades visors and pathos.

Oh...I see...guess that totaly flew over my head...

[TheRevanchist]

I think this sums up how everyone felt playing that demo lol

[Rudy Lis]

kylecouch wrote...

Oh...I see...guess that totaly flew over my head...

I thought they are hard to miss. But my humour could be *sniff* evasive.

kylecouch wrote...

I think this sums up how everyone felt playing that demo lol

Yup. I'd add some image from my screenshot archive, but cannot upload it. Anyway - with certain custom faces, with lowered brows and eyes, in full-face helmet, Shepard's eyes located below visor, thus limiting his view seriously, so it's practically "I'm commander Shepard, I can't see sheet in this helmet demo"

[Zynnix]

I would've like to have seen a trial honestly. The beginning of the game is far too abrupt and doesn't explain what happened. I can only imagine it's even more confusing for people who didn't even play Arrival to wonder why Shepard would have even been in trouble in the first place.

Oh and slightly off-topic: I've got a good drinking game for you guys. Go through all 113 pages of this thread and anytime someone spells "trial" wrong take a drink. *I'm not responsible for any blurred vision, nausea, uncontrollable vomiting, general drunken-ness, or sudden death that may occur during said game. *

[Farbautisonn]

Actually, this was my reaction when I saw the storyline.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 23 février 2012 - 12:54 .

[TheRevanchist]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Actually, this was my reaction when I saw the storyline.
-snip-

Uh...not sure but...that might be agaisnt site rules...

[Farbautisonn]

kylecouch wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Actually, this was my reaction when I saw the storyline.
-snip-

Uh...not sure but...that might be agaisnt site rules...

-Better part of valor... fixed....

[Rudy Lis]

kylecouch wrote...

Uh...not sure but...that might be agaisnt site rules...

What cat?

[Dragoonlordz]

Rudy Lis wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Uh...not sure but...that might be agaisnt site rules...

What cat?

Kasumi in a neko cosplay outfit. 

[Rudy Lis]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Kasumi in a neko cosplay outfit. 

You my idol!
No wonder why Barney had those nightmares, though... Ow, well, I haven't told you that.

[phimseto]

I'm guessing this thread is finally winding down.

Is the majority consensus that:

1. The Reaper arrival is too rushed
2. Some form of hearing/trial should have been present
3. Too many major changes simply glossed over to start (Anderson, on earth, in detention, non-Cerberus Normandy, etc.)

[Dragoonlordz]

phimseto wrote...

I'm guessing this thread is finally winding down.

Is the majority consensus that:

1. The Reaper arrival is too rushed
2. Some form of hearing/trial should have been present
3. Too many major changes simply glossed over to start (Anderson, on earth, in detention, non-Cerberus Normandy, etc.)

I'm not even sure we need to simplify it for Bioware, I think they are smart enough fellows to have grasped the problem we all have with it by now after around 115 pages explaining it for them. I don't really want to water it down too much (my position) because I think much like what the introduction lacked, streamlining the explanation is detrimental to understanding the situation. 

Personally I just wonder if Chris understands the crux of it since mentioned he did not understand why we were disappointed on around page 10ish. I kind of have spent last 80 to 100+ more pages trying to clarify it (my position) for him or anyone else who wanders in. I hope we managed to clarify it for him. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 février 2012 - 03:18 .

[elearon1]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Personally I just wonder if Chris understands the crux of it since mentioned he did not understand why we were disappointed on around page 10ish. I kind of have spent last 80 to 100+ more pages trying to clarify it (my position) for him or anyone else who wanders in. I hope we managed to clarify it for him. 

The only thing I think that does need to be made clear is that the vast majority of posters in this thread are willing to compromise and accept a trial as DLC rather than have no trial at all.  The knowledge that we are willing to meet them in the middle may be what it takes to push that project forward, rather than prevent it from ever happening. 

[Dragoonlordz]

elearon1 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Personally I just wonder if Chris understands the crux of it since mentioned he did not understand why we were disappointed on around page 10ish. I kind of have spent last 80 to 100+ more pages trying to clarify it (my position) for him or anyone else who wanders in. I hope we managed to clarify it for him. 

The only thing I think that does need to be made clear is that the vast majority of posters in this thread are willing to compromise and accept a trial as DLC rather than have no trial at all.  The knowledge that we are willing to meet them in the middle may be what it takes to push that project forward, rather than prevent it from ever happening. 

I am very much in favor of DLC as mentioned here. I see no other way around improving my enjoyment of that very specific part of the game unless go through that route now that the game has gone gold. I hope rest of game is epic and I can only base my opinions on what I know and have played whether demonstration or trailers even information released on here and other sites. I am sure will enjoy rest of game, I do still have four concerns (three remaining if subtract this element). But those I do not know and remain just concerns. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 février 2012 - 03:50 .

[phimseto]

My problem with the dlc option is that it comes too late. I will have already played the game. I would rather see bioware focus their efforts on a substantial post end of game dlc.

[Lukeskymac]

You people raging about the preview are depressing me. How can someone be so obtuse. It's like you *want* Mass Effect 3 to fail...

[Fasty1]

but you guys waste so much time when you could be doing something else, like homework, or work or working out or anything XD.

[Dragoonlordz]

Lukeskymac wrote...

You people raging about the preview are depressing me. How can someone be so obtuse. It's like you *want* Mass Effect 3 to fail...

Have no idea where you get that impression. No-one in here is threatening cancelling pre-orders or spamming the forum with multiple threads. If anything our little thread is more a sanctuary for the sane to hide in away from all the huff and puff going on out there. We are very focused on one element that can improve our enjoyment of the game but we are not demanding it, we would love to have it and explaining why is the purpose of this thread. But Bioware do not "owe" us such and we acknowledge this very much so. I think I can speak for most of us currently in here on this though if anyone feels different they can feel free to say so obviously but I doubt anyone does.

If they get time or wish to spend any on this subject we would be very happy but unlike all other threads at the moment with rants and rages we are some of the most civil and polite and reasonable of the bunch. We want the game to suceed and some of us have multiple pre-orders, the rest have every intention of keeping theirs too in here. We like to think that the rest of the game will be epic and we wish Bioware makes vast amouts of money, if they get some time it just would be nice (personal preferences not entitlement) if could improve the beginning of the game for us at some point to make it even better than the great game it already will be.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 février 2012 - 04:35 .

[someguy1231]

I think getting the trial as DLC is very unlikely. The posters in this thread are a tiny minority of ME's fanbase (hell, the entirety of BSN is a tiny minority), and it's likely that most of the people buying ME3 will be unaware that there was ever going to be a trial to begin with. Also, releasing a DLC that solely consists of a trial with some dialogue choices would be bad idea, unless they priced it very, very low. It'd need some action sequences if it's going to sold as full-fledged DLC, but I don't know how it could implement them (flashbacks?).