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[elearon1]

phimseto wrote...

My problem with the dlc option is that it comes too late. I will have already played the game. I would rather see bioware focus their efforts on a substantial post end of game dlc.

Many of us, though, will likely play the game through multiple times, with mor than one Shepard, to see the multiple game paths.  So, for those people additional material near the begining of the game will be very useful.  The Kasumi material came out well after the release of ME 2, but I have played it several times and I know I'm far from the only one.

That said, a flashback  or recovering a recording of the event from a computer system; retrieving it from a media outlet before they can broadcast it and ruin careers; something of that nature would be a good way of implimenting it at any point in the game. 

[Dragoonlordz]

someguy1231 wrote...

I think getting the trial as DLC is very unlikely. The posters in this thread are a tiny minority of ME's fanbase (hell, the entirety of BSN is a tiny minority), and it's likely that most of the people buying ME3 will be unaware that there was ever going to be a trial to begin with. Also, releasing a DLC that solely consists of a trial with some dialogue choices would be bad idea, unless they priced it very, very low. It'd need some action sequences if it's going to sold as full-fledged DLC, but I don't know how it could implement them (flashbacks?).

Here is the way I think they could make it worth while even for those who are not specifically interested only in the trial. The amount of content could run with in such would make it very much (imho) value for money. Six months from time left ship to time Reapers arrvied is I believe ample enough time to play with from a DLC perspective.

I would buy it especially if starts on your ship is which is where I left my Shepard and covers both his return to home (whether went quietly or forced), contents of the six months on Earth including aspects of exposition, exploration, interaction and action/combat element comprised of Cerberus assassination team trying to take you out which is due to working with Cerberus for ME2 and all you know of them you are a threat now your back in Alliance hands. The DLC would end with just prior to the start of ME3 introduction and would contain the trial element prior to this point. 

I am not saying they have to make such, I am under no illusion that they owe us anything in this regard (imho) and is simply personal preference. It would be a nice way to improve upon the game for those of us who felt the beginning (one aspect of the game) was lacking in enjoyment shown in the demonstration and told will be same in the retail by Chris. 

It covers all the basics from starting off bridging the gap between left standing on deck of our ship in ME2 to being on Earth. Earth itself being a large world with plenty of opportunity towards exploration and especially interactions and dialogue. Combat covered with the assassination attempt from your former partners in crime (Cerberus) who have vested interest in your not giving Alliance their secrets learned from time with them. Ending just before with trial and heading back to room prior to the Repears attack and ME3 when begins with returning/summoning back to the to chamber when Reapers begin assualt as a nice touch to finish off the DLC and kick off the beginning fresh for a replay of ME3 since the DLC would come later and would fulfill this element.

But like I said it is a mere suggestion I do not demand or expect Bioware to do it. I would just like it if possible.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 février 2012 - 06:24 .

[Lukeskymac]

kylecouch wrote...

*WhatTheHell Dog Face*

I think this sums up how everyone felt playing that demo lol

No.

That's how a whinny portion of the fans - 15% if the graphs are to be believed - felt, due to stupid, ridiculous reasons.

[Lukeskymac]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

I think getting the trial as DLC is very unlikely. The posters in this thread are a tiny minority of ME's fanbase (hell, the entirety of BSN is a tiny minority), and it's likely that most of the people buying ME3 will be unaware that there was ever going to be a trial to begin with. Also, releasing a DLC that solely consists of a trial with some dialogue choices would be bad idea, unless they priced it very, very low. It'd need some action sequences if it's going to sold as full-fledged DLC, but I don't know how it could implement them (flashbacks?).

Here is the way I think they could make it worth while even for those who are not specifically interested only in the trial. The amount of content could run with in such would make it very much (imho) value for money. Six months from time left ship to time Reapers arrvied is I believe ample enough time to play with from a DLC perspective.

I think when the full game's out it will be pretty clear that something as crazy as a DLC for something that's supposed to happen before the game intro is not only unnecessary but simply not going to happen.

[Fiery Phoenix]

So, I log in to Facebook and what do I see? A message from my 17-year-old cousin who played ME2 (not ME1) with his impressions on the demo, which he just played today. Not surprisingly, this is how said message started:



He also did play Arrival.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 23 février 2012 - 02:11 .

[Rudy Lis]

Lukeskymac wrote...

You people raging about the preview are depressing me. How can someone be so obtuse. It's like you *want* Mass Effect 3 to fail...

Yes, really how can one be so obtuse. What happened with Smith&Wesson about decade ago was result of actions when people deliberately wanted company to gone. And it happened.
So far I see zero similarities. But yes, how could I've forgotten - I'm "obtuse". Where is obtuse smilie? Well, let's consider this obtuse enough.

someguy1231 wrote...

I think getting the trial as DLC is very unlikely. The posters in this thread are a tiny minority of ME's fanbase (hell, the entirety of BSN is a tiny minority), and it's likely that most of the people buying ME3 will be unaware that there was ever going to be a trial to begin with. Also, releasing a DLC that solely consists of a trial with some dialogue choices would be bad idea, unless they priced it very, very low. It'd need some action sequences if it's going to sold as full-fledged DLC, but I don't know how it could implement them (flashbacks?).

They could do barrel roll and say "that how it meant to be, this is mandatory optional DLC".
But price-quality scale worries me, given recent examples, local DLCs are never cheap, even when short and small. Creating worthy trial and "previously on Mass Effect" story-based DLC would require decent investment, and given "polls" results 85% of those who responded are no-whiners and don't need such DLC at all, cos they are happy with what they've been given. And if such DLC will be released, then it either will be very expensive, even if given to some non-canada based outsource studio, or very crappy. Or both. Only Rockstar can afford itself to invite more people to voice-over in-game pedestrians you'll never see, than some other studios invite whole cast for three of their games.

By the way, about voice-over. I thing I know why ME3 feels so unworthy of it's predecessors. I just look on cast on IMDB and found there are no characters voiced-over by Grey DeLisle. How bout we start a crusade for lieutenant Marie Durand for LI and squadmate for ME3? Who need those smoked jerky secret (we are all know that secret has more than one meaning, eh?) companion or Jessica Chobot (HTF is that anyway?). Bioware game means Grey DeLisle, Grey DeLisle means Bioware game. And don't forget Valve's Portal 2 experience - they have Ellen McLain, why not let Grey DeLisle to perform ending credits song, I more than sure she'll manage.

Lukeskymac wrote...

No.

That's how a whinny portion of the fans - 15% if the graphs are to be believed - felt, due to stupid, ridiculous reasons.

The trouble with polls on the Internet is that it's difficult to determine whether or not they are genuine. Abraham Lincoln.

Especially when there are money involved.

So, since you belong to 85% or those with intelligent and sensible reasons, why you just not be happy with fact that game is built to your liking, if not only expectations or, who knows, specifications? Why walk into our little den of dispair and misery and infect yourself with negative emotions? Of course, if you want to bring light, sun and happiness here, you are more than welcome to stay, since we all follow old mantra: enjoy the life and let others do the same.

Lukeskymac wrote...

I think when the full game's out it will be pretty clear that something as crazy as a DLC for something that's supposed to happen before the game intro is not only unnecessary but simply not going to happen.

Aren't some of existing DLCs already tread there? Not to mention GTA SA pun of GTA 3 PC...

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 23 février 2012 - 02:20 .

[Farbautisonn]

Lukeskymac wrote...

That's how a whinny portion of the fans - 15% if the graphs are to be believed - felt, due to stupid, ridiculous reasons.

-Epic logic deduction, rhetoric, use of source material and reasoning there. How old are you? Five? 

[Farbautisonn]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

So, I log in to Facebook and what do I see? A message from my 17-year-old cousin who played ME2 (not ME1) with his impressions on the demo, which he just played today. Not surprisingly, this is how said message started:



He also did play Arrival.

-Considering some of messages we get on the front page of this forum, that reaction is all too symptomatic. However that does not seem to faze the most hardcore fanbois nor Bioware. We pretty much jumped to Hansel and Gretel being in the pancake house, in a cage, being forcefed. We dont know how we got there, why the house is made of pancakes, who this old woman with the crooked nose is, or why we are in a cage.

[TheRevanchist]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Lukeskymac wrote...

That's how a whinny portion of the fans - 15% if the graphs are to be believed - felt, due to stupid, ridiculous reasons.

-Epic logic deduction, rhetoric, use of source material and reasoning there. How old are you? Five? 

That is indeed what I suspect. Although I simply cannot understand how "obtuse" all these ppl are...they come in here whining about us whining...when they are the only ones -actually- whining....yet cannot seem to comprehend this concept.

[TheRevanchist]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

So, I log in to Facebook and what do I see? A message from my 17-year-old cousin who played ME2 (not ME1) with his impressions on the demo, which he just played today. Not surprisingly, this is how said message started:



He also did play Arrival.

-Considering some of messages we get on the front page of this forum, that reaction is all too symptomatic. However that does not seem to faze the most hardcore fanbois nor Bioware. We pretty much jumped to Hansel and Gretel being in the pancake house, in a cage, being forcefed. We dont know how we got there, why the house is made of pancakes, who this old woman with the crooked nose is, or why we are in a cage.

Nope...but they got guns that they gonna to pew pew themselves out! so who cares about all that boreing talking stuff when it can just totaly break the momentum of the epic escape to explain it to us later in typical flashback format! Because as we all know, having some character tell us about it later or having to watch it in a flashback is WAY better then seeing it first-hand!

[Nathan Redgrave]

Still do not understand the "I don't get what's going on" complaint. It's possibly one of the most blunt and straightforward openings ever. You're on Earth, you're relieved from duty for doing crazy shyte, and the Reapers invade, cue explosions. You really need only the basest idea of what ME1 and ME2 were about to get what's going on there.

[kingsims]

The trial was adjourned due to Anderson, Hackett and possibly Hannah Shepard (Spacer) intervening on Shepard s behalf and using their power to make sure that Shepard's rank and spectre status stripped from him instead of him being jailed.

[TheRevanchist]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Still do not understand the "I don't get what's going on" complaint. It's possibly one of the most blunt and straightforward openings ever. You're on Earth, you're relieved from duty for doing crazy shyte, and the Reapers invade, cue explosions. You really need only the basest idea of what ME1 and ME2 were about to get what's going on there.

Hmm...guess your opinion don't apply here...as I've played ME1 40+ times, ME2 25+ times, have read every book minues Deception, and every comic minues Invasion, and I have no freakin idea what is happening here and I'm a walking ME Bible. You are left to assume and interpret everything thats happened in the last 6 months yourself, this = bad writing.

[Planeforger]

I'm sure it's been covered in the thread many times, but I might as well weigh in: it would be completely silly for a major Mass Effect 3 plot point (such as the game's intro) to rely on optional ME2 content that the vast majority of the fanbase never even bought. For my Shepard (and many others'), the Arrival never happened.

Similarly, why release it as DLC, when it would only be catering to a fraction of a fraction of the fanbase, and isn't hugely compelling in its own right? Those resources could be better spent elsewhere.

[TheRevanchist]

Except Arrival happens weather you play it or not...just like LotSB...just because you dont buy it does not mean it's none canon.

Liara will always be the Shadow Broker...not buying the DLC will never change that fact.

That relay will always be destroid...not buying the DLC will never change that, Shepard may or may not be involved, but those events happen regardless if you buy them yourself.

Modifié par kylecouch, 23 février 2012 - 03:09 .

[Farbautisonn]

kylecouch wrote...

Hmm...guess your opinion don't apply here...as I've played ME1 40+ times, ME2 25+ times, have read every book minues Deception, and every comic minues Invasion, and I have no freakin idea what is happening here and I'm a walking ME Bible. You are left to assume and interpret everything thats happened in the last 6 months yourself, this = bad writing.

Da capo.

[Nathan Redgrave]

kylecouch wrote...

Hmm...guess your opinion don't apply here...as I've played ME1 40+ times, ME2 25+ times, have read every book minues Deception, and every comic minues Invasion, and I have no freakin idea what is happening here and I'm a walking ME Bible. You are left to assume and interpret everything thats happened in the last 6 months yourself, this = bad writing.

...So, er, in this case "what's going on" means "what happened over the last few months?"

That makes no sense. Not to mention it's entirely peripheral to the opening sequence. All you need to know can be and actually is summed up in metaphorical bullet points for you:

- Shepard has been relieved from duty (either because of generic "**** you've done" if you haven't imported from Arrival or because "craptons of batarians died and the only thing keeping you out of prison is that you knew it was the right thing and have people like me putting in the good word for you"). This is clearly stated in dialogue.

- Something big that Shepard warned them about is coming. Clearly stated, and if you misunderstood that as a returning player that's entirely your fault.

- Something big invades and starts blowing stuff up. You fight your way out, are reinstated, and are told to go entreat other species for aid against the Reapers.

It is all VERY, VERY SIMPLE. Brain-dead, almost. The openings of ME1 and ME2 were more complicated by quite a bit. You don't need a play-by-play of Shepard's daily life with all them hot foods and warm beds to get the general gist of his current status, hell, you don't even need to know much about what the Reapers even are to appreciate the fact that alien invasion = holy crap RUN FOR YOUR LIVES.

The problem here is that you want all of the blanks filled in for you, when it's entirely possible and rather easy to fill them in yourself with barely a cursory glance at the relevant facts.

[TheRevanchist]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Hmm...guess your opinion don't apply here...as I've played ME1 40+ times, ME2 25+ times, have read every book minues Deception, and every comic minues Invasion, and I have no freakin idea what is happening here and I'm a walking ME Bible. You are left to assume and interpret everything thats happened in the last 6 months yourself, this = bad writing.

...So, er, in this case "what's going on" means "what happened over the last few months?"

That makes no sense. Not to mention it's entirely peripheral to the opening sequence. All you need to know can be and actually is summed up in metaphorical bullet points for you:

- Shepard has been relieved from duty (either because of generic "**** you've done" if you haven't imported from Arrival or because "craptons of batarians died and the only thing keeping you out of prison is that you knew it was the right thing and have people like me putting in the good word for you"). This is clearly stated in dialogue.

- Something big that Shepard warned them about is coming. Clearly stated, and if you misunderstood that as a returning player that's entirely your fault.

- Something big invades and starts blowing stuff up. You fight your way out, are reinstated, and are told to go entreat other species for aid against the Reapers.

It is all VERY, VERY SIMPLE. Brain-dead, almost. The openings of ME1 and ME2 were more complicated by quite a bit. You don't need a play-by-play of Shepard's daily life with all them hot foods and warm beds to get the general gist of his current status, hell, you don't even need to know much about what the Reapers even are to appreciate the fact that alien invasion = holy crap RUN FOR YOUR LIVES.

The problem here is that you want all of the blanks filled in for you, when it's entirely possible and rather easy to fill them in yourself with barely a cursory glance at the relevant facts.

if you really think it's that "brain dead simple" then I'm afraid you cannot comprehend just how screwed up this opening is. I will not waste my breath explaining what has been explained over and over to people like you for 80+ pages.

[TheRevanchist]

Farbautisonn wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Hmm...guess your opinion don't apply here...as I've played ME1 40+ times, ME2 25+ times, have read every book minues Deception, and every comic minues Invasion, and I have no freakin idea what is happening here and I'm a walking ME Bible. You are left to assume and interpret everything thats happened in the last 6 months yourself, this = bad writing.

Da capo.

uh...I assume that means you agree with the bolded part...lol

[Rudy Lis]

kylecouch wrote...

Nope...but they got guns that they gonna to pew pew themselves out! so who cares about all that boreing talking stuff when it can just totaly break the momentum of the epic escape to explain it to us later in typical flashback format! Because as we all know, having some character tell us about it later or having to watch it in a flashback is WAY better then seeing it first-hand!

That could be acceptable should they implement BF3/MoH style storytelling - game begins at not long before end, at least for short moment and they you relive all event's from beginning. But scene on Earth are hardly end. Well, for Earth maybe.
But if they want do that, why not took few steps further and start game at very end, as interactive cutscene (or not so interactive) of "end boss fight" (or similar end-game task), when you control your character for only brief period of time, after said fight and before he starts to succumb to his wounds. And then we return to very beginning and see everything firsthand.

kylecouch wrote...

Hmm...guess your opinion don't apply here...as I've played ME1 40+ times, ME2 25+ times, have read every book minues Deception, and every comic minues Invasion, and I have no freakin idea what is happening here and I'm a walking ME Bible. You are left to assume and interpret everything thats happened in the last 6 months yourself, this = bad writing.

Wow. Just wow. What's there's a saying, "I take my hat off to you"?

kylecouch wrote...

uh...I assume that means you agree with the bolded part...lol

According to musician sitting near it means "from the beginning".

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 23 février 2012 - 03:27 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

kylecouch wrote...

if you really think it's that "brain dead simple" then I'm afraid you cannot comprehend just how screwed up this opening is. I will not waste my breath explaining what has been explained over and over to people like you for 80+ pages.

Oh, lulz. You have no trouble understanding it and I do, so you must be stupider than I am!

Really, dude. That's just rich--like, triple-decker-hot-fudge-ice-cream-cake rich.

EDIT: For the record, I'm not saying the opening is good. I'm saying I don't get how people don't understand what's going on. There's a difference between saying there's nothing to complain about, and pointing to a specific complaint and saying, "That's bollocks."

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 23 février 2012 - 03:30 .

[Farbautisonn]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...
Oh, lulz. You have no trouble understanding it and I do, so you must be stupider than I am!

Really, dude. That's just rich--like, triple-decker-hot-fudge-ice-cream-cake rich.

EDIT: For the record, I'm not saying the opening is good. I'm saying I don't get how people don't understand what's going on. There's a difference between saying there's nothing to complain about, and pointing to a specific complaint and saying, "That's bollocks."

-Thats bollox.

If you just played the vanilla game, the last time you saw shepard he was on a ship after having fought the collectors. Now he is in the brig (look in the vid. Says "Detention center" on the door) and stripped of rank, ship, crew and status. Wat? 

Anderson explains that he is there for "all the ****e he pulled". Wat? 

Even if you are lucky and played the DLC with is pretty much the pinnacle of what anyone can "demand" you do, you are still left with "wat?" because there now isnt a "trial", but youve still been stripped of your status. But you werent with the alliance... you were a spectre or a cerberus agent or both. So... wat? again. I could go on but whats the point.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 23 février 2012 - 03:39 .

[Farbautisonn]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Really, dude. That's just rich--like, triple-decker-hot-fudge-ice-cream-cake rich.

-I take that back. You arent five. Four. Tops.

[Farbautisonn]

Rudy Lis wrote...

According to musician sitting near it means "from the beginning".

-Means "Encore" . Play it again sam