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[vader da slayer]

ramdog7 wrote...

Domdeegrpgc wrote...

Why is it that my character has a sudden friendship with James Vega despite never having met him before?

this!

they are introduced shortly after Shepard turned himself in (this is played out in the comic books) and they've known each other for something like 5 months at the start of ME3.

[AxisEvolve]

Chris Priestly wrote...
Ok, I know I'm a tool of the Man and all, but how so?

If you are a new player (haven't played ME1 or ME2) you learn who Shepard is, why he's on earth, what the Reaper threat is, and then the story begins.

If you are a continuing player (have played either or both of the previous games) you already know the plot and character development because you helped form it with your previous play throughs and the story picks up after ME2.

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?

But do you learn how the trial went? How James Vega ended up with you? How you went to sleep as Cerberus on their Normandy and wake up as fullblown Alliance at their HQ? 

It literally feels like a Mass Effect 4 intro and not Mass Effect 3.. There is so big of a gap with so many questions unanswered... I'm just trying to make sense of it all.

[Alex Arterius]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

Then you're the kind of customer EA wants. No sense bogging players down with plot and character development when there are things to kill!

(Sorry I couldn't help it, I'm disappoineted at the opening- it's another bit of railroading and cut corners)

Ok, I know I'm a tool of the Man and all, but how so?

If you are a new player (haven't played ME1 or ME2) you learn who Shepard is, why he's on earth, what the Reaper threat is, and then the story begins.

If you are a continuing player (have played either or both of the previous games) you already know the plot and character development because you helped form it with your previous play throughs and the story picks up after ME2.

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?

Let me try to put this fairly.

Fans are disappointed beacuse one of the main points that came up in every magazine, every web based article and every interview etc was that: "The game will start with Shepard on trial on earth, following the events of Arrival" we were all confused as why this what not in the game during the opening/demo whatever as it has been something that has been promised all along.

Fans are upset beacuse we all wanted a shot to defend our Shepards actions. The pacing now feels very off, and the Reapers just seem to come out of nowhere, also much has been pre-established before we actually enter the game (Shepards left the SR2 crew, he's met Vega, the trials happened etc) these are major plot points. It would have been nice to see them in action. Particularly the trial.

However this isn't game breaking and I will still be buying the game. What is there during the opening is very, very good, exceptional infact. It would have just been nice to have the trial to aid the pacing and allow us to defend Shepards actions

Modifié par Alex Arterius, 13 février 2012 - 05:27 .

[N7L4D]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.

To Bo honest Chris it doesn't really look or feel like its a trial at the start of the demo if that's what your saying

[izmirtheastarach]

Alex Arterius wrote...

Let me try to put this fairly.

Fans are disappointed beacuse one of the man points that came up in every magazine, every web based article every and every interview etc was that: "The game will start with Shepard on trial on earth, following the events of Horizon" we were all confused as why this what not in the game during the opening/demo whatever as it has been something that has been promised all along.

Fans are upset beacuse we all wanted a shot to defend our Shepards actions. The pacing now feels very off, and the Reapers just seem to come out of nowhere, also much has been pre-established before we actually enter the game (Shepards left the SR2 crew, he's met Vega, the trails happened etc) these are major plot points. It would have been nice to see them in action. Particularly the trial.

However this isn't game breaking and I will still be buying the game. What is there during the opening is very, very good, exceptional infact. It would have just been nice to have the trial to aid the pacing and allow us to defend Shepards actions

This sums up everything I am feeling.

[Ohei]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Alex Arterius wrote...

Let me try to put this fairly.

Fans are disappointed beacuse one of the man points that came up in every magazine, every web based article every and every interview etc was that: "The game will start with Shepard on trial on earth, following the events of Horizon" we were all confused as why this what not in the game during the opening/demo whatever as it has been something that has been promised all along.

Fans are upset beacuse we all wanted a shot to defend our Shepards actions. The pacing now feels very off, and the Reapers just seem to come out of nowhere, also much has been pre-established before we actually enter the game (Shepards left the SR2 crew, he's met Vega, the trails happened etc) these are major plot points. It would have been nice to see them in action. Particularly the trial.

However this isn't game breaking and I will still be buying the game. What is there during the opening is very, very good, exceptional infact. It would have just been nice to have the trial to aid the pacing and allow us to defend Shepards actions

This sums up everything I am feeling.

Ditto, nicely put.

[AxisEvolve]

Alex Arterius wrote...

Let me try to put this fairly.

Fans are disappointed beacuse one of the man points that came up in every magazine, every web based article every and every interview etc was that: "The game will start with Shepard on trial on earth, following the events of Horizon" we were all confused as why this what not in the game during the opening/demo whatever as it has been something that has been promised all along.

Fans are upset beacuse we all wanted a shot to defend our Shepards actions. The pacing now feels very off, and the Reapers just seem to come out of nowhere, also much has been pre-established before we actually enter the game (Shepards left the SR2 crew, he's met Vega, the trails happened etc) these are major plot points. It would have been nice to see them in action. Particularly the trial.

However this isn't game breaking and I will still be buying the game. What is there during the opening is very, very good, exceptional infact. It would have just been nice to have the trial to aid the pacing and allow us to defend Shepards actions

You put it better than I do but that is exactly the way I feel/what I meant.

[StephanieBengal]

Domdeegrpgc wrote...

Why is it that my character has a sudden friendship with James Vega despite never having met him before?

They have met before, guessing you didn't read the comic?

[Dragoonlordz]

I'm hoping he's trolling us (imho).

[royard]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

Then you're the kind of customer EA wants. No sense bogging players down with plot and character development when there are things to kill!

(Sorry I couldn't help it, I'm disappoineted at the opening- it's another bit of railroading and cut corners)

Ok, I know I'm a tool of the Man and all, but how so?

If you are a new player (haven't played ME1 or ME2) you learn who Shepard is, why he's on earth, what the Reaper threat is, and then the story begins.

If you are a continuing player (have played either or both of the previous games) you already know the plot and character development because you helped form it with your previous play throughs and the story picks up after ME2.

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?

Well, one reason is that I don't know why Shep is on earth, and why he knows James.  I played arrival.  I read conviction.

But there is a disconnect between the end of ME2 and the beginning of the demo.  I need a recap of the past 6 months.

There's no such disconnect with the ME1 -ME2 transition.  The status quo has been maintained--literally nothing was changed, including Shepard's rank.  I don't mind the lack of recap because it seems nothing important has happened. Then, everything major occured right in front of my eyes, putting me back in Shepard's shoes. 

But now, here, Shep's been grounded, James came out of nowhere, team is dispersed.  Not to mention that renegade Shep has tons of reasons not to submit themselves to Alliance.  I know this can't be changed, but I demand some narrative for the decision.

Modifié par royard, 13 février 2012 - 05:30 .

[-Skorpious-]

StephanieBengal wrote...

Domdeegrpgc wrote...

Why is it that my character has a sudden friendship with James Vega despite never having met him before?

They have met before, guessing you didn't read the comic?

Reading comics should not be required knowledge for understanding the events of a trilogy. 

[log1x_dr4g0n]

It's a demo...I wouldn't want to see the trial until I play the full game anyway. What was shown was enough.

[Luigitornado]

Well this is disappointing and mildly annoying.

Yeah I've played through the games, read all the books, and read the comics, but I still don't care. I want to see the trial.

Catering to the lowest dominator. Way to go.

[Hunter of Legends]

Domdeegrpgc wrote...

Why is it that my character has a sudden friendship with James Vega despite never having met him before?

It's called Anderson and Mass Effect 1.

[mrbauxjangles]

Domdeegrpgc wrote...

Why is it that my character has a sudden friendship with James Vega despite never having met him before?

[Gemini1179]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Ok, I know I'm a tool of the Man and all, but how so?

If you are a new player (haven't played ME1 or ME2) you learn who Shepard is, why he's on earth, what the Reaper threat is, and then the story begins.

If you are a continuing player (have played either or both of the previous games) you already know the plot and character development because you helped form it with your previous play throughs and the story picks up after ME2.

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?

Yeah but WHY Shepard is on earth is weak to begin with. Why would Shepard even have gone back to earth in the first place? If I had a playthrough that was Renegade and I was a Cerberus shipper at the end of ME2, and having the Alliance and everyone else giving me NO SUPPORT in ME2, why would I go back to Earth to face a farce of a trial with the same ignorant people who haven't believed me from day one when I've got a galaxy to prepare for an invasion I know is coming.

My point is, the whole opening, while I understand the need for it from BioWare's point of view (it's short, dramatic and there's an immediate introduction to action) from a player perspective it is a bit of an insult. Even a Paragon Shepard who fought and died to protect the galaxy from the Reapers is going to spend 6 months in Alliance prison? Does the Spectre rank mean nothing? In ME1, it is stated that Spectres can go anywhere do anything and only answer to the Council, so why would Shepard if he/she is still indeed a Spectre even acknowledge a summons from Earth? A Spectre's duty is to protect the galaxy and if that means wiping out a system to save the rest, so be it. And if Shepard is not a Spectre, he/she still knows the threat to the galaxy and the political bs he/she'd be walking back into on Earth.

It is simply weak from a story and plot perspective when you consider what has gone on in the previous games.

[PlumPaul93]

-Skorpious- wrote...Reading comics should not be required knowledge for understanding the events of a trilogy.

This.

[Il Divo]

Alex Arterius wrote...

Let me try to put this fairly.

Fans are disappointed beacuse one of the man points that came up in every magazine, every web based article and every interview etc was that: "The game will start with Shepard on trial on earth, following the events of Arrival" we were all confused as why this what not in the game during the opening/demo whatever as it has been something that has been promised all along.

Fans are upset beacuse we all wanted a shot to defend our Shepards actions. The pacing now feels very off, and the Reapers just seem to come out of nowhere, also much has been pre-established before we actually enter the game (Shepards left the SR2 crew, he's met Vega, the trails happened etc) these are major plot points. It would have been nice to see them in action. Particularly the trial.

However this isn't game breaking and I will still be buying the game. What is there during the opening is very, very good, exceptional infact. It would have just been nice to have the trial to aid the pacing and allow us to defend Shepards actions

Supported.

[Pee Jae]

Yeah, I just wanted to say I'm not trying to give you crap, Chris. I love everything I've seen about the game. Some would say I'm too enthused about it. I just thought there would be more "meat" to the meeting with the Defense Council. We're all coming in now after the fact and getting straight to the action. It's just a little jarring.

[izmirtheastarach]

log1x_dr4g0n wrote...

It's a demo...I wouldn't want to see the trial until I play the full game anyway. What was shown was enough.

Chris just told us that what was shown is what is in the full game. Did you miss that?

[HolyAvenger]

Shepard and Vega have known each other for a while and their friendship will be explored in-game (sparring scene etc)

[StephanieBengal]

-Skorpious- wrote...

StephanieBengal wrote...

Domdeegrpgc wrote...

Why is it that my character has a sudden friendship with James Vega despite never having met him before?

They have met before, guessing you didn't read the comic?

Reading comics should not be required knowledge for understanding the events of a trilogy. 

I'm just simply putting out that they have met before in some type of source material. Nothing more. 

[AxisEvolve]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Domdeegrpgc wrote...

Why is it that my character has a sudden friendship with James Vega despite never having met him before?

It's called Anderson and Mass Effect 1.

That was the very beginning of a trilogy. Mass Effect 3 is the conclusion. It is far too late in the game to be starting over in such a way. We can't know all about what happened before the story began, but from beginning of that point to the end we expect consistency in the story we became engaged in. 

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 13 février 2012 - 05:20 .

[Liber320]

I can see the article now

"Bioware announcences first Mass Effect 3 DLC - Trial Effect

The DLC will cover the events of Commander Shepard's time on Earth leading up to Mass Effect 3. Bioware has stated that it will be approximately 38 hours in lenght and will cover the trial in it's entirety. They have decided to not include any combat scenes, as they felt it disrupted the pacing and didin't fit within the context. They have confirmed, however, that at any point the player can trigger a Renegade interrupt, causing Shepard to go bats**t crazy and attempt to beat the judges to death for wasting his time. The severity of the psychotic break varies depending on your progress, ranging from 'a mild tantrum' if activated early and 'mass, bloody murder' if the player waits until the very end.
The Trial Effect DLC will be priced at 1600 Microsoft Points on Xbox live or $19.99 on PSN and the Origin Store."

In all seriousness though, it's a shame it was taken out. I feel like the intro in the demo is missing something, the trial may very well be it. Would have been interesting to get an early preview of the effects of some of your descisions.