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[royard]

Alex Arterius wrote...

[SNIP]

Let me try to put this fairly.

Fans are disappointed beacuse one of the man points that came up in every magazine, every web based article and every interview etc was that: "The game will start with Shepard on trial on earth, following the events of Arrival" we were all confused as why this what not in the game during the opening/demo whatever as it has been something that has been promised all along.

Fans are upset beacuse we all wanted a shot to defend our Shepards actions. The pacing now feels very off, and the Reapers just seem to come out of nowhere, also much has been pre-established before we actually enter the game (Shepards left the SR2 crew, he's met Vega, the trails happened etc) these are major plot points. It would have been nice to see them in action. Particularly the trial.

However this isn't game breaking and I will still be buying the game. What is there during the opening is very, very good, exceptional infact. It would have just been nice to have the trial to aid the pacing and allow us to defend Shepards actions

Well said.  I personally don't care about the "all the previews talked about the trial" part.  It's the lack of explanation of the major plot points that bothers me. 

Modifié par royard, 13 février 2012 - 05:21 .

[Il Divo]

t_skwerl wrote...

Yeah, I just wanted to say I'm not trying to give you crap, Chris. I love everything I've seen about the game. Some would say I'm too enthused about it. I just thought there would be more "meat" to the meeting with the Defense Council. We're all coming in now after the fact and getting straight to the action. It's just a little jarring.

Agreed. The trial would have been a great way for ME3 to (quickly) recap the events of ME1 and 2, explain how Shepard reached his current situation, and allow the player to justify his actions in regard to previous games. It would also give us insight into how Earth perceives Shepard at this point. It really seems like a missed opportunity.

[izmirtheastarach]

It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth.

I'm still stuck on this. What trial? Is the only way I'm going to know about the trial because I read about it on BSN? There is no trial in this demo.

[Savber100]

*sigh*

I really really really wanted to have a trial...

It was the perfect concept to basically tie the games together. The image of Shepard standing accused could have been a startling mirroring of Saren's trial before the Council. That and it would have been great to see your choices getting some mention.

[Alex Arterius]

royard wrote...

Alex Arterius wrote...

[SNIP]

Let me try to put this fairly.

Fans are disappointed beacuse one of the man points that came up in every magazine, every web based article and every interview etc was that: "The game will start with Shepard on trial on earth, following the events of Arrival" we were all confused as why this what not in the game during the opening/demo whatever as it has been something that has been promised all along.

Fans are upset beacuse we all wanted a shot to defend our Shepards actions. The pacing now feels very off, and the Reapers just seem to come out of nowhere, also much has been pre-established before we actually enter the game (Shepards left the SR2 crew, he's met Vega, the trails happened etc) these are major plot points. It would have been nice to see them in action. Particularly the trial.

However this isn't game breaking and I will still be buying the game. What is there during the opening is very, very good, exceptional infact. It would have just been nice to have the trial to aid the pacing and allow us to defend Shepards actions

Well said.  I personally don't care about the "all the previews talked about the trial" part.  It's the lack of explanation of the major plot points that bothers me. 

Heheh

Thanks for the backing everyone

[Ohei]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth.

I'm still stuck on this. What trial? Is the only way I'm going to know about the trial because I read about it on BSN? There is no trial in this demo.

Exactly.

Chris claimed the demo was taken directly from the beginning of the game.
We didn't start at the end of a trial in the demo, we started in an Alliance room looking out at the pretty trees and kids playing with Normandy toys.

Modifié par Ohei, 13 février 2012 - 05:22 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Liber320 wrote...

I can see the article now

"Bioware announcences first Mass Effect 3 DLC - Trial Effect

The DLC will cover the events of Commander Shepard's time on Earth leading up to Mass Effect 3. Bioware has stated that it will be approximately 38 hours in lenght and will cover the trial in it's entirety. They have decided to not include any combat scenes, as they felt it disrupted the pacing and didin't fit within the context. They have confirmed, however, that at any point the player can trigger a Renegade interrupt, causing Shepard to go bats**t crazy and attempt to beat the judges to death for wasting his time. The severity of the psychotic break varies depending on your progress, ranging from 'a mild tantrum' if activated early and 'mass, bloody murder' if the player waits until the very end.
The Trial Effect DLC will be priced at 1600 Microsoft Points on Xbox live or $19.99 on PSN and the Origin Store."

In all seriousness though, it's a shame it was taken out. I feel like the intro in the demo is missing something, the trial may very well be it. Would have been interesting to get an early preview of the effects of some of your descisions.

I would totally buy that. Plus, Ben Mottock is my lawyer.

[izmirtheastarach]

Ohei wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth.

I'm still stuck on this. What trial? Is the only way I'm going to know about the trial because I read about it on BSN? There is no trial in this demo.

Exactly.

Chris claimed the demo was taken directly from the beginning of the game. We didn't start at the end of a trial in the demo, we started in an Alliance room looking out at the pretty trees and kids playing with Normandy toys.

Where is the disconnect here? Did I play the demo wrong?

[StephanieBengal]

And let me just say, I was looking forward to seeing this trial. It was one of the more intriguing things about the game in my opinion.

Alas, I'll live and still play it with no qualms.

[Gemini1179]

Alex Arterius wrote...


Let me try to put this fairly.

Fans are disappointed beacuse one of the man points that came up in every magazine, every web based article and every interview etc was that: "The game will start with Shepard on trial on earth, following the events of Arrival" we were all confused as why this what not in the game during the opening/demo whatever as it has been something that has been promised all along.

Fans are upset beacuse we all wanted a shot to defend our Shepards actions. The pacing now feels very off, and the Reapers just seem to come out of nowhere, also much has been pre-established before we actually enter the game (Shepards left the SR2 crew, he's met Vega, the trails happened etc) these are major plot points. It would have been nice to see them in action. Particularly the trial.

However this isn't game breaking and I will still be buying the game. What is there during the opening is very, very good, exceptional infact. It would have just been nice to have the trial to aid the pacing and allow us to defend Shepards actions

I agree with almost everything you've said here, but I still take issue with the dialogue and facial animations during the opening. Especially around the mouth and eyes. They seemed a lot better in ME1&2. It's a quick enough sequence that I'll get over it fast enough once we get on the Normandy I hope.

[Eski.Moe]

Alex Arterius wrote...
Let me try to put this fairly.

Fans are disappointed beacuse one of the man points that came up in every magazine, every web based article and every interview etc was that: "The game will start with Shepard on trial on earth, following the events of Arrival" we were all confused as why this what not in the game during the opening/demo whatever as it has been something that has been promised all along.

Fans are upset beacuse we all wanted a shot to defend our Shepards actions. The pacing now feels very off, and the Reapers just seem to come out of nowhere, also much has been pre-established before we actually enter the game (Shepards left the SR2 crew, he's met Vega, the trails happened etc) these are major plot points. It would have been nice to see them in action. Particularly the trial.

However this isn't game breaking and I will still be buying the game. What is there during the opening is very, very good, exceptional infact. It would have just been nice to have the trial to aid the pacing and allow us to defend Shepards actions

Very well put. Too late for anything to change but  a great way to express a bit of disappointment regardless.

[Ohei]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Ohei wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth.

I'm still stuck on this. What trial? Is the only way I'm going to know about the trial because I read about it on BSN? There is no trial in this demo.

Exactly.

Chris claimed the demo was taken directly from the beginning of the game. We didn't start at the end of a trial in the demo, we started in an Alliance room looking out at the pretty trees and kids playing with Normandy toys.

Where is the disconnect here? Did I play the demo wrong?

(In case I didn't make it too clear, that's me completely backing up your post. )

[izmirtheastarach]

Ohei wrote...
(In case I didn't make it too clear, that's me completely backing up your post. )

lol. No, I got that part.

[Dragoonlordz]

It's a bad start to the game if true. I know Bioware might think we as fans lack attention spans but that's far from reality. Having been reading up on ME3 since first mentioned and having played through past two titles, as well as being told there was a trial of which apparently is not and just more akin to just tuning in to hear a sentence passed is far from what was either expecting or told prior to this point.

It is disappointing for most and it's a slight slap in the face for our intelligence and attention spans.

For me personally it has the knock on effect of if did not care enough to allow decent persona/character building and both past to present plot foundation adequately handled then it bodes not well for rest of game because it starts off on the wrong footing.

Maybe I'm worrying about nothing but bad form to kick off beginning of last in trilogy as far as I am concerned. Still I will not cancel my pre-order by any stretch of the imagination and give it fair try when out in full but had to state was not smart move (imho).

I'm still secretly hoping he is trolling me and us.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 février 2012 - 05:28 .

[AlphaJarmel]

Mac Walters everybody. Expect to be disappointed more than once in regards to the story before the game.

[Gemini1179]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Reading comics should not be required knowledge for understanding the events of a trilogy. 

This. Can you imagine what the reaction would have been if Lucas had of said reading "Labrynth of Evil" was a requirement to watching Episode 3? Honestly, it makes it work much better, but the point has been made. I've not read any of the ME books or comics- except for the one where Liara gets Shepard back. I don't know who Vega is, I don't know how I got back to Earth when I clearly told Hackett to stuff it at the end of Arrival.

[AxisEvolve]

I don't want to be "that guy". But what this is really about is putting action before story. "Let's jump straight into the Reapers F---ing things up. Yeah!!!"

They are marketing the game at a more general audience and despite having the "Action, RPG, and story" elements, they still don't include the trial which should have been one of the most important decision points of the whole game.

[ElitePinecone]

The introduction just seems awfully abrupt and rushed, Chris - it's a few minutes of dialogue with a character we know nothing about, and then - suddenly Reapers!

There's no exposition, no recapping of previous events, no opportunity to see what the Alliance thinks of Shepard's particular actions.

No opportunity to discuss Cerberus with, y'know, the high command of the military force we've been enlisted in for ten years.

[Lancelot Albion]

Wait... so does this mean the opening of the demo is pretty much the finished product and not just a condensed version?

[Gemini1179]

...at least Tali had a trial...

[Hunter of Legends]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Domdeegrpgc wrote...

Why is it that my character has a sudden friendship with James Vega despite never having met him before?

It's called Anderson and Mass Effect 1.

That was the very beginning of a trilogy. Mass Effect 3 is the conclusion. It is far too late in the game to be starting over in such a way. We can't know all about what happened before the story began, but from beginning of that point to the end we expect consistency in the story we became engaged in. 

Because I'd rather not have a repeat of the horrible pacing of Mass Effect 1.

We're at war. I don't have time to sit there and chat for 3 hours.

[mrbauxjangles]

i was looking forward to the trial even if it was just a short scene but now it is gone and i am confuaed on how i meet vega and how the trial went. And reading comics and books should not be required for a game trilogy

[PlumPaul93]

Lancelot X wrote...

Wait... so does this mean the opening of the demo is pretty much the finished product and not just a condensed version?

Basically.

[Il Divo]

Lancelot X wrote...

Wait... so does this mean the opening of the demo is pretty much the finished product and not just a condensed version?

Certainly what it looks like.

[AlphaJarmel]

Lancelot X wrote...

Wait... so does this mean the opening of the demo is pretty much the finished product and not just a condensed version?

Yes.  They might flashback but that's a big if considering it has never been done before in the franchise.