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[Hunter of Legends]

Lancelot X wrote...

Wait... so does this mean the opening of the demo is pretty much the finished product and not just a condensed version?

It's missing some convos and that's it.

[Gemini1179]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Mac Walters everybody. Expect to be disappointed more than once in regards to the story before the game.

It's been a hard lesson to learn since the Liara comic. I remember the distinct feeling of a shift in the writing for ME while reading it. And not for the better either.

[izmirtheastarach]

Gemini1179 wrote...

...at least Tali had a trial...

This is part of why I was looking forward to it. I liked Tali's trial. But Chris says the end of the trial is in the demo, so I guess I just missed it.

[log1x_dr4g0n]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

log1x_dr4g0n wrote...

It's a demo...I wouldn't want to see the trial until I play the full game anyway. What was shown was enough.

Chris just told us that what was shown is what is in the full game. Did you miss that?

Yeah...

I blame the NyQuil...

[AxisEvolve]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Because I'd rather not have a repeat of the horrible pacing of Mass Effect 1.

We're at war. I don't have time to sit there and chat for 3 hours.

But we weren't at war for the 6 months between Mass Effect 2 & 3 that they decided to leave out. We were at war whenever they decided to say we were. It is completely arbitrary. 

[Ohei]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

...at least Tali had a trial...

This is part of why I was looking forward to it. I liked Tali's trial. But Chris says the end of the trial is in the demo, so I guess I just missed it.

Naw, you didn't.
It just wasn't there lol.

There was seriously no end of a trial in the demo.

[Catsith]

Wow, I really hope the demo is not the full beginning and there is more to it. That would be dreadful storytelling. Who is James and why is he not allowed to salute me anymore? Why is the Normandy taken away from me and what has my Shepard been doing for 6 months? What happened? The vast majority of us haven't read the comics or novels and all that other crap, and many of us didn't play Arrival because of the feedback it got, so we are going to need a little more of an intro than that.

[CDRSkyShepard]

IBPROFEN wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.

 there you go! thanks Chris

That's not a trial...that's a committee of Admirals flipping about losing contact with everything outside the solar system and asking Shepard if he knows what's happening. There's no inquiry into Shepard's past actions, no show trial to appease the batarian government...no mention of any of that happening, either.

My biggest problem can be illustrated by this anecdote: My roommate has watched me play ME1 and ME2 in their entirety (including Arrival), and I sat him down to watch me play the demo today and he went, "Wait, woah, what? Shepard's on Earth? Why? Why is he grounded? What the heck is going on?" It seems like there's a bunch of connecting materal missing...of course, my roommate knew Shepard was going to have to go back to Earth to answer for the events in Arrival. But since there was no mention of such trial happening in the demo, he was confused. (Anderson even says the admirals trust Shepard...how did that happen? As of the conclusion of ME2/Arrival, we're left with the distinct impression the only people in the Alliance that believe Shepard are Hackett and Anderson.) Also, he was quite confused as to the rapport between Shepard and Vega. Obviously they've been together for a while by the time the events of the demo happen, but from the player's perspective, it's abrupt. We have never interacted with Vega before, and yet him and our Shepards are interacting like we've been talking to him for a while.

I just think there's not enough connection between the beginning of ME3 and ME2. The space between ME1 and ME2 is well-accounted for: the text scroll says that a few weeks after your fight with Saren, you're going around the galaxy wiping out the last pockets of resistance. Then you die. Then you wake up in a Cerberus facility two years later. That all makes sense. But as far as the space between ME2 and ME3...you know Shepard's going back to Earth, but then it's six months later, trial has happened, suddenly everyone trusts Shepard again even though he's grounded and been stripped of his rank (for what reason? For the Alpha relay incident? None of that is specified). It feels like a big jump, and we feel like we're missing a lot between 2 and 3.

I think that's where a lot of us are coming from, Chris. We were told Shepard was coming back to Earth to be on trial, that it was a big deal because of what we were forced to do in Arrival. Now it's like everyone shrugged it off and it was no biggie. To those that didn't play Arrival, the fact that Shepard is on Earth itself is probably quite confusing, and there's no clear allusions to the Alpha relay incident. In the leaked beta, Anderson addressed it specifically, saying, "When you blew up the batarian relay, hundreds of thousands of batarians died." In the final release, he says, "The **** you've done, any other soldier would have been tried, court-martialed, and discharged." That is a great line, don't get me wrong...but it takes the scene more out of context, and thus makes the whole point of Shepard being on Earth a bit vague.

I hope I summed that up well enough for you.

[HolyAvenger]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Because I'd rather not have a repeat of the horrible pacing of Mass Effect 1.

We're at war. I don't have time to sit there and chat for 3 hours.

...except...we're not.

We're at a trial.

And in the middle of the trial, the Reapers come.

Thus: Show trial up to point where Reapers come, then get to your pew pew-ing.

How is that any different to Shepard waitinf for trial and then Reapers come. Pew-pew-pew.

[Hunter of Legends]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Because I'd rather not have a repeat of the horrible pacing of Mass Effect 1.

We're at war. I don't have time to sit there and chat for 3 hours.

But we weren't at war for the 6 months between Mass Effect 2 & 3 that they decided to leave out. We were at war whenever they decided to say we were. It is completely arbitrary. 

And again I don't want the pacing of ME1 back.

I don't need to be hand lead around the city. You are all intelligent people figure out why Sheps on Earth. I don't need to sit on Earth for 5 hours figuring out what you all already know.

[incinerator950]

Catsith wrote...

Wow, I really hope the demo is not the full beginning and there is more to it. That would be dreadful storytelling. Who is James and why is he not allowed to salute me anymore? Why is the Normandy taken away from me and what has my Shepard been doing for 6 months? What happened? The vast majority of us haven't read the comics or novels and all that other crap, and many of us didn't play Arrival because of the feedback it got, so we are going to need a little more of an intro than that.

I was one of the day one Arrival players, it was better than the majority of the ME 2 and ME 1 missions, I don't see this negativity in feedback very well, so please elaborate.  As to the trial, the Demo intro looks like it was polished from the beta.

[Gabey5]

The trial is not a trial but a hearing

the hearing is interrupted

[Weskerr]

AxisEvolve wrote...

I don't want to be "that guy". But what this is really about is putting action before story. "Let's jump straight into the Reapers F---ing things up. Yeah!!!"

They are marketing the game at a more general audience and despite having the "Action, RPG, and story" elements, they still don't include the trial which should have been one of the most important decision points of the whole game.

They dropped the ball on this. Suffice it to say, they'll pay for it in the game reviews.

[Xarathox]

Gemini1179 wrote...

...at least Tali had a trial...

Too bad she can't stomp in and yell at Alliance admirals for us. Epicness that would've been.<_<

[spirosz]

Alex Arterius wrote...

[SNIP]

Let me try to put this fairly.

Fans are disappointed beacuse one of the man points that came up in every magazine, every web based article and every interview etc was that: "The game will start with Shepard on trial on earth, following the events of Arrival" we were all confused as why this what not in the game during the opening/demo whatever as it has been something that has been promised all along.

Fans are upset beacuse we all wanted a shot to defend our Shepards actions. The pacing now feels very off, and the Reapers just seem to come out of nowhere, also much has been pre-established before we actually enter the game (Shepards left the SR2 crew, he's met Vega, the trails happened etc) these are major plot points. It would have been nice to see them in action. Particularly the trial.

However this isn't game breaking and I will still be buying the game. What is there during the opening is very, very good, exceptional infact. It would have just been nice to have the trial to aid the pacing and allow us to defend Shepards actions

Well said, basically how I feel. The bold part is what is annoying me with the intro - Why don't we get to talk to any of our squadmates before hand and see how they feel about it? "It's like Hey, yeah I'll see you again when you're completely different, thanks for coming along the Suicide Mission" Also, that's a pretty short trial considering what he's being accused of, don't you think? I was actually expecting something similar to Kotor and the trial about the giant fish thing I had to kill (if any of you remember that reference), I understand that we're supposed to get the feeling of "surprise" from the invasion, but it feels a bit rushed to me. Plus the dialogue as well, I remember quite a few conversations in Eden Prime and the Lazarus Station, but here during the trial... not so much. Maybe, 2-3 short segments and the rest is just Shepard talking without us (the player) giving any input towards if we want to say those specific things.

[Alex Arterius]

Gabey5 wrote...

The trial is not a trial but a hearing

the hearing is interrupted

Butttttttttt

Sheppo says something like "IS THAT WHY THEY GROUNDED ME?! TOOK AWAY MY SHIP?!" So obviously that was the outcome of the trial there.

Shame we didn't get to see it.

... .......>_>

[Luigitornado]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

IBPROFEN wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.

 there you go! thanks Chris

*snip*

"Mass Effect 3 is a greaty entry point for new fans."

Thought I'd sum up your post for you 

[Savber100]

Yes what exactly is the point of Arrival now? Why the need for a setup for having Shepard getting put to trial for his crimes when you could have just as easily start the game with Shepard having a visit to Earth etc.

Unless Batarian relations are important for ME3, (which is not from what I've read in the leaks), there's it NO point in Arrival besides for the sudden shoe-horning that the Reapers had some alternate way into the galaxy which was easily remedied in less than 2-3 hrs of optional playtime. It's just cast the rest of the series in an awkward light.

Modifié par Savber100, 13 février 2012 - 05:37 .

[Blacklash93]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Mac Walters everybody. Expect to be disappointed more than once in regards to the story before the game.

I do honestly wonder what this series would have been like if Drew stayed on board sometimes...

[-Skorpious-]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Mac Walters everybody. Expect to be disappointed more than once in regards to the story before the game.

I haven't fell in love with videogame writing and storytelling as much as Drew's work - KotoR and Mass Effect 1 were absolutely amazing.

Also, not to be rude, but Walter's favorite movie is the Expendables. THE EXPENDABLES. <_<

[Dave of Canada]

Savber100 wrote...

Yes what exactly is the point of Arrival now?

Profit.

[Dragoonlordz]

Did ME team switch with some of the DA team by any chance or replaced by them completley? Because it's not far off the bad form used in DA2 where the writers and team basically told the fans "don't worry about plot, your character or your companions... Just replace it with imagination of what you think happened between the years of nothingness separated by those (tacky and horrible) 'Acts'".

Surely you learned your lesson about the backlash of disconnect in story progression from when that title was released, so why have you repeated it with ME3 (the disconnect) from plot and story right at the offset of the game. *sigh*

It's DA2 all over again with no lessons learned. 

/end rant

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 février 2012 - 05:42 .

[CDRSkyShepard]

Luigitornado wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

IBPROFEN wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.

 there you go! thanks Chris

*snip*

"Mass Effect 3 is a greaty entry point for new fans."

Thought I'd sum up your post for you 

I think it would be even more confusing if you were a new fan, actually.