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[Geraro]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Which is why I skipped and ignored half of the useless conversation points that held the hand of the player.

Again, just like ME1's flawed skill system My Shepard should know how to use a rifle and how the galaxy works.

I'm guessing someone is happy BW included "Action mode".

[incinerator950]

Weskerr wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...


No one's asking for a recap of Arrival. We're wondering about what happened outside of the events of ME2.

I'm being uncivil because you're all acting like unreasonable children who got a red toy instead of the blue one.

We already KNOW what happened. It's practically spelled out for you in Arrival.

Actually, you're the one acting like a child - throwing a tantrum that people have the tenacity to criticize the introduction of Mass Effect 3. You're calling people dense for pointing out the observation that the intro lacks any tension, build up of drama, or any sort of exposition that connects the events of the last game to the beginning of this one. It's a poorly executed introduction that confuses the audience and fails to create a springboard from which the action jumps.

Shepard was called to a Defense meetning.  Reapers attack, Shepard flees.  I'm pretty understanding of the situation, I own and play all of the ME 1 and ME 2 DLC.  What the problem is here is that Bioware has vaguely marketed to people who bother to pay attention that there was supposed to be a trial.  From the Beta and Demo, that is not the case.

I don't pay attention to the devs, especially I ignore their tweets unless someone else brings it up in a useful debate.  So far, you probably remember or know more than I do on what they said half a year ago for the intro of the game.  It makes sense from a blank perspective, and for someone who understands how this is working.  However, for the majority of people here, they wanted a useless recap of events from ME, and mainly the Arrival expansion, so they're dissapointed.

[Halo Quea]

Two people are having a conversation-

"Hey I just read this fantastic book.  You really need to read this"

"Really?  What's the book about?"

"Honestly that doesn't matter.  In fact, you can skip the ENTIRE book and start at the final chapter" :happy:

"Excuse me?"

"Yeah, the author has constructed the novel in such a way that any reader can start reading the book from the very last chapter"

"Pardon me, but that doesn't make very much sense"

"Tell me about it, and as a fan of his novels it's caused me no end of grief, but the author basically did this for new readers so they could jump in at any point in the story"

"But why would any author write a book and then structure the last chapter so that the previous chapters that he's written could be ignored?   Does that make any sense to you?"

"Wait a second.  I just told you that the author constructed the final chapter so that people like you could jump in at any point.  You need to stop asking questions and take your **** to the book store"

"People like me?  Have you been listening?  I DON'T think it makes sense for me to start reading a book's final chapter, no matter how the author's constructed it."

"So you're not going to get the book?"

"No" <_<

"But it was made for you.  The last chapter is a kind of comic book that allows you to........"

"What does that even mean, made for me?    Does the author think that I'm lazy or stupid?  Does he really believe that I will purchase his book and skip to the last chapter without even knowing what's going on with the characters, plots and sub-plots?" <_<

"Basically..........yes"

"I'm not sure what to tell you, except that you probably need to find a new favorite author.  One that respects his fanbase of readers and won't sacrifice story and subtext just to bring new readers aboard"

*draws hand pistol*

"Uh.... sir it's really not necessary to kill me just because I won't read the book"

"The bullet isn't for you.........it's for me"

[Weskerr]

lobi wrote...

Weskerr wrote...
Because story and exposition and conversations aren't nearly as important as changing how the sound of your gun fires. Especially not in Mass Effect. lol.

Well the guns and combat system did kinda suxor, a lot.
I would swap a trial for not ending up stuck standing on a table under fire. If it worked that way, but it doesnt, just sayin. nvrmnd.

In a game like Mass Effect, good story telling should never be sacrificed for anything. Even though gameplay is important, nothing is more important than proper execution of the game's story and character interaction.

[mrbauxjangles]

if another studio made the pointless multiplayer wjy couldnt they have got someone to make the damn trial.

[Dragoonlordz]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Faux interaction that only restates what has already been said is boring and needless.

So no.

Seeing as how they SAID that's what would be there, your opinion doesn't really factor into it.

You still go to a "trial"; just not the one you all thought.

Poor marketing choice but really not bad writing. If you guys are gonna complain at least complain accurately.

Don't go there, only making self look silly. A trial requires two sides putting forth cases and then followed by a verdict. Even if someone is not present in a trial both sides still get put forth followed by verdict only it is done in absence of accused, niether of which happened in this case.

It's an example of a beginning of a title that caters to the (attention deficit) which just wants to 'shoot stuff'. Thats what the action mode if for and allows those people to just shoot stuff instead of you know.. The RPG elements but what do the RPG mode selectors get with this start of game? Nothing to add to the RPG element (mode) at all.

In this case there was no trial and just part of a verdict which didn't even get concluded even then.

Like said to me this feels like DA2 all over again reliving past mistakes made by the teams. As a end of a trilogy they should of put in more effort as far as I am concerned. Not everyone just likes to 'shoot stuff' even if you do.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 février 2012 - 06:08 .

[Hunter of Legends]

Weskerr wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...


No one's asking for a recap of Arrival. We're wondering about what happened outside of the events of ME2.

I'm being uncivil because you're all acting like unreasonable children who got a red toy instead of the blue one.

We already KNOW what happened. It's practically spelled out for you in Arrival.

Actually, you're the one acting like a child - throwing a tantrum that people have the tenacity to criticize the introduction of Mass Effect 3. You're calling people dense for pointing out the observation that the intro lacks any tension, build up of drama, or any sort of exposition that connects the events of the last game to the beginning of this one. It's a poorly executed introduction that confuses the audience and fails to create a springboard from which the action jumps.

We've been building drama up for 2 damn games.

The exposition for this game has been...the past two games and Arrival. This doesn't confuse the audience unless the audience is to dense to see what's in front of them.

Again, blind children with nothing better to do the complain. Wanna know what should be better complained about? The fact that it feels like there are only two conversation options.

THATS a more valid complaint. I'm sorry I don't need my hand held because I paid attention to the damn story.

[GamerrangerX]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.

Canceling my ME3 preoder,that just suck!!!so no exploration,no actual trial but just a bunch of cutscene and BANG REAPER HERE!!i expect better form Bioware

[incinerator950]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Neither does yours if they intentionally withdrew the trial for their own reasons.

If they did, then they sure as h*ll need to explain this. And since that isn't what happened, your point has no validity.

My point has high validity, there is no trial, you want one though.  I'm pretty observant of what's going on here, even if you're going to try and downplay it.

Defense Committee/=Military Court Marshal

Modifié par incinerator950, 13 février 2012 - 06:07 .

[Eski.Moe]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...
Which is why I skipped and ignored half of the useless conversation points that held the hand of the player.

Again, just like ME1's flawed skill system My Shepard should know how to use a rifle and how the galaxy works.

Dislikes ME1. Confirmed for troll.

What? How do you make that connection?
I mean, I agree that the guy is coming off as rude and petulant (all the while complaining about others doing the same) but disliking a factor of ME1 shouldn't necessarily mean that the person is a troll. There are many things that one can take issue with when talking about ME1 and I'm saying this as one who loves the game. 

[Hunter of Legends]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...


No one's asking for a recap of Arrival. We're wondering about what happened outside of the events of ME2.

I'm being uncivil because you're all acting like unreasonable children who got a red toy instead of the blue one.

We already KNOW what happened. It's practically spelled out for you in Arrival.

It seems like you are the one who needs things spelled out since you can't properly read what has actually been posted in this thread.

Once again - we. aren't. asking. for. a. recap. We want to know about the things we... don't know about. That is as simple as I can put it. If you can't comprehend that then there's no hope for you.

THERE. IS. NOTHING. ELSE.

Do you people even pay attention to the conversations and story?

[Squallypo]

anyone remember the trials from kotor 1 , epic stuff right ? c: i miss that kind of stuf...

[AxisEvolve]

incinerator950 wrote...
However, for the majority of people here, they wanted a useless recap of events from ME, and mainly the Arrival expansion, so they're dissapointed.

I don't know what topic you're reading but no one here is arguing for a recap. We want to experience the things we don't know, not re-experience the things we already know.

[Hunter of Legends]

Eski.Moe wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...
Which is why I skipped and ignored half of the useless conversation points that held the hand of the player.

Again, just like ME1's flawed skill system My Shepard should know how to use a rifle and how the galaxy works.

Dislikes ME1. Confirmed for troll.

What? How do you make that connection?
I mean, I agree that the guy is coming off as rude and petulant (all the while complaining about others doing the same) but disliking a factor of ME1 shouldn't necessarily mean that the person is a troll. There are many things that one can take issue with when talking about ME1 and I'm saying this as one who loves the game. 

I'm rude because this community is the most sadly pathetic group of complainers I've ever seen.

You'd complain if Shepard has said he likes the color blue instand of red.

[MadLaughter]

If I hadn't heard from interviews that there was a trial, nothing at all in the demo would make me conclude that there was one.

Starts with the end of the trial? Not at all. It starts with me being retrieved from a random room by a random guy to say "Yeah I was right, reapers are coming." There is nothing at all in the demo that implies any kind of trial is or was going on.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Weskerr wrote...

lobi wrote...

Weskerr wrote...
Because story and exposition and conversations aren't nearly as important as changing how the sound of your gun fires. Especially not in Mass Effect. lol.

Well the guns and combat system did kinda suxor, a lot.
I would swap a trial for not ending up stuck standing on a table under fire. If it worked that way, but it doesnt, just sayin. nvrmnd.

In a game like Mass Effect, good story telling should never be sacrificed for anything. Even though gameplay is important, nothing is more important than proper execution of the game's story and character interaction.

The right work.

[mrbauxjangles]

if you don't complain nothing gets done

[Dragoonlordz]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Eski.Moe wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...
Which is why I skipped and ignored half of the useless conversation points that held the hand of the player.

Again, just like ME1's flawed skill system My Shepard should know how to use a rifle and how the galaxy works.

Dislikes ME1. Confirmed for troll.

What? How do you make that connection?
I mean, I agree that the guy is coming off as rude and petulant (all the while complaining about others doing the same) but disliking a factor of ME1 shouldn't necessarily mean that the person is a troll. There are many things that one can take issue with when talking about ME1 and I'm saying this as one who loves the game. 

I'm rude because this community is the most sadly pathetic group of complainers I've ever seen.

You'd complain if Shepard has said he likes the color blue instand of red.

If you do not like the community then stop being part of it? Simple solution. 

[Squallypo]

GamerrangerX wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.

Canceling my ME3 preoder,that just suck!!!so no exploration,no actual trial but just a bunch of cutscene and BANG REAPER HERE!!i expect better form Bioware

yeah if what chris says is true wow im very speechless...

[Eski.Moe]

No, you're rude because you immediately jump to name-calling and generalising to try and help whatever point you're trying to make. Nice try though.

Modifié par Eski.Moe, 13 février 2012 - 06:13 .

[Hunter of Legends]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Eski.Moe wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...
Which is why I skipped and ignored half of the useless conversation points that held the hand of the player.

Again, just like ME1's flawed skill system My Shepard should know how to use a rifle and how the galaxy works.

Dislikes ME1. Confirmed for troll.

What? How do you make that connection?
I mean, I agree that the guy is coming off as rude and petulant (all the while complaining about others doing the same) but disliking a factor of ME1 shouldn't necessarily mean that the person is a troll. There are many things that one can take issue with when talking about ME1 and I'm saying this as one who loves the game. 

I'm rude because this community is the most sadly pathetic group of complainers I've ever seen.

You'd complain if Shepard has said he likes the color blue instand of red.

If you do not like the community then stop being part of it? Simple solution. 

I will once ME3 is here.

I debated posting in the first place because I saw how petty this place is.

[royard]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

royard wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

My complaint with bsn is when they are making their arguments they do not realize that things have limitations. It's like when you were growing up and there is that kid who freaks out when you tell him that he is not able to have whatever he wants. Everything uses resources! <------ Remember that. I personally do not mind if casey and the team had to strip down the trail because other things took priority and resources needed refinement. gosh some of the complaints i hear on this social network. There was one whole thread about hair one time and i realized that if they had to spend more and more resources on minor things it would not work out for them. I wonder if some of you people can even work in software. One time i was programming for this phone company that used voice mail services highly. My boss had to make the decision of cancelling all pending messages when there was a glitch in the system. we lost 4 million messages that day. This is what i am trying to get across. If you are working in such situations certain limitations and situations leave you making such decisions

And you didn't lose customers due to this fiasco?

We lost a few but we compared everything relatively. In the technology world "few" = nothing. It was a stressing day though. But what im trying to get across is that everything has limitations

I see what you are saying.  But that's not really related to the topic here.  This thread is similar to people who lost those messages calling your customer service and complaining for 5 minutes. 

Don't you think the customers have a right to conplain/yell at your customer service if you lose ten of their messages?  Your service didn't live up to their expectations, and it is a feature you publicized as a selling point. 

Modifié par royard, 13 février 2012 - 06:12 .