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[PlumPaul93]

Squallypo wrote...

anyone remember the trials from kotor 1 , epic stuff right ? c: i miss that kind of stuf...

Never played the series, might try it out if ME3 is DA2.0

[log1x_dr4g0n]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Eski.Moe wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...
Which is why I skipped and ignored half of the useless conversation points that held the hand of the player.

Again, just like ME1's flawed skill system My Shepard should know how to use a rifle and how the galaxy works.

Dislikes ME1. Confirmed for troll.

What? How do you make that connection?
I mean, I agree that the guy is coming off as rude and petulant (all the while complaining about others doing the same) but disliking a factor of ME1 shouldn't necessarily mean that the person is a troll. There are many things that one can take issue with when talking about ME1 and I'm saying this as one who loves the game. 

I'm rude because this community is the most sadly pathetic group of complainers I've ever seen.

You'd complain if Shepard has said he likes the color blue instand of red.

Welcome to the BSN, Hunter...where people complain more rather than waiting to see what the full game will actually have.

[Hunter of Legends]

Eski.Moe wrote...

No, you're rude because you immediately jump to name calling and generalising. Nice try though.

No, I'm rude because most of you are petty children who complain about even the slightest of changes.

I'm amazed Bioware hasn't just stop making games all together.

[incinerator950]

AxisEvolve wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...
However, for the majority of people here, they wanted a useless recap of events from ME, and mainly the Arrival expansion, so they're dissapointed.

I don't know what topic you're reading but no one here is arguing for a recap. We want to experience the things we don't know, not re-experience the things we already know.

I already knew that Shepard destroyed a Mass Relay with an Asteroid.  Killed 300,000 Batarian Civilians, and then surrendered to the Alliance to stand trial on Earth.  Sometime in six months, he is called upon to understand why Colonies and the fringes have gone dark outside of the Sol Relay.  

So far, that sounds more like a recap to me.  A Trial that people would ask for would just be a storytime of what I just said, minus the defense meeting.  

From what I remember from reading on two different forums, the trial already happened, or Shepard has been on a sort of House Arrest for Officers, removed from his command until it is deemed necissary for them to take action.  Admiral Hacket and Anderson probably pulled enough weight around to keep anything from happening to Shepard.  The Batarians being invaded before the humans is probably why the Alliance never got a response from the Batarian Government.

[AxisEvolve]

Eski.Moe wrote...
I mean, I agree that the guy is coming off as rude and petulant (all the while complaining about others doing the same) but disliking a factor of ME1 shouldn't necessarily mean that the person is a troll. There are many things that one can take issue with when talking about ME1 and I'm saying this as one who loves the game. 

Haha. I was completely joking... Also trying to get him more worked up.

Hunter of Legends wrote...
THERE. IS. NOTHING. ELSE.

Do you people even pay attention to the conversations and story?

I'm not sure what alternative universe you live in but there is a big chunk of story missing that just about everyone here acknowledges. You miss the point entirely. The debate isn't "did anything happen?" but "should we have seen what happened?".

Hunter of Legends wrote...
No, I'm rude because most of you are petty children who complain about even the slightest of changes.

I'm amazed Bioware hasn't just stop making games all together.

None of us have resorted to name calling because we don't agree with you. It seems to me that we are the mature ones.

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 13 février 2012 - 06:14 .

[Adhin]

...only thing I want is some way to make choices from ME1 and 2 when making a new character. The current intro in the demo is fine from an import perspective or making a new one either way. But getting to set choices for a new character I feel is very important.

Trial was going to be that - if they don't have the trail in the full game then there hopefully is something else prior to the game starting up like it does.

[didymos1120]

MadLaughter wrote...

 There is nothing at all in the demo that implies any kind of trial is or was going on.

Yes there is: Shep is stated to have been relieved of duty, and to have had the Normandy taken away.  Now, granted, the implication is that Shep narrowly avoided an actual trial, but it's quite clear there were some legal shenanigans afoot.

[Hunter of Legends]

incinerator950 wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...
However, for the majority of people here, they wanted a useless recap of events from ME, and mainly the Arrival expansion, so they're dissapointed.

I don't know what topic you're reading but no one here is arguing for a recap. We want to experience the things we don't know, not re-experience the things we already know.

I already knew that Shepard destroyed a Mass Relay with an Asteroid.  Killed 300,000 Batarian Civilians, and then surrendered to the Alliance to stand trial on Earth.  Sometime in six months, he is called upon to understand why Colonies and the fringes have gone dark outside of the Sol Relay.  

So far, that sounds more like a recap to me.  A Trial that people would ask for would just be a storytime of what I just said, minus the defense meeting.  

From what I remember from reading on two different forums, the trial already happened, or Shepard has been on a sort of House Arrest for Officers, removed from his command until it is deemed necissary for them to take action.  Admiral Hacket and Anderson probably pulled enough weight around to keep anything from happening to Shepard.  The Batarians being invaded before the humans is probably why the Alliance never got a response from the Batarian Government.

Someone with common sense.

ON THE BSN?!?!?

*Deep breathe* Immplications unpleasent.

[Alex Arterius]

Maybe we lost the trial in favour of Kinect functionality

Wouldn't that be the best.. -.-

[Aggie Punbot]

So let's see if I've got this straight: they had time and resources enough to implement optional features into the game that not everyone is going to use but not time enough to finish the actual game itself (i.e. the all-important bridging event between ME2 and ME3).

Do I have that right?

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 13 février 2012 - 06:16 .

[incinerator950]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

My point has high validity, there is no trial, you want one though.  I'm pretty observant of what's going on here, even if you're going to try and downplay it.

Defense Committee/=Military Court Marshal

Actually, genius, Chris Priestly, you know that guy that works for BW, said that the trial WAS in the demo. He said that here in this thread.

I saw it, I also know there are more than one Dev tweet that says it.  However, the Demo and Beta point obvious to this.  I also know the Dev's downplay info or falsify it to their own agendas.  

[Squallypo]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

anyone remember the trials from kotor 1 , epic stuff right ? c: i miss that kind of stuf...

Never played the series, might try it out if ME3 is DA2.0

i dont really understand the comparison, mind to explain ?

[Dragoonlordz]

Adhin wrote...

...only thing I want is some way to make choices from ME1 and 2 when making a new character. The current intro in the demo is fine from an import perspective or making a new one either way. But getting to set choices for a new character I feel is very important.

Trial was going to be that - if they don't have the trail in the full game then there hopefully is something else prior to the game starting up like it does.

Yeh probably a comic you have to (buy) to fill in the missing trial.

[Hunter of Legends]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Eski.Moe wrote...
I mean, I agree that the guy is coming off as rude and petulant (all the while complaining about others doing the same) but disliking a factor of ME1 shouldn't necessarily mean that the person is a troll. There are many things that one can take issue with when talking about ME1 and I'm saying this as one who loves the game. 

Haha. I was completely joking... Also trying to get him more worked up.

Hunter of Legends wrote...
THERE. IS. NOTHING. ELSE.

Do you people even pay attention to the conversations and story?

I'm not sure what alternative universe you live in but there is a big chunk of story missing that just about everyone here acknowledges. You miss the point entirely. The debate isn't "did anything happen?" but "should we have seen what happened?".

Hunter of Legends wrote...
No, I'm rude because most of you are petty children who complain about even the slightest of changes.

I'm amazed Bioware hasn't just stop making games all together.

None of us have resorted to name calling because we don't agree with you. It seems to me that we are the mature ones.

Did you even play Arrival?

THAT. IS. WHAT. HAPPENED.

Shepard kills 300,000 batarians and sometime before ME3 starts he answers for this.

BAM.

That is SOO worth sitting through a whole trial.

[didymos1120]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

You'd complain if Shepard has said he likes the color blue instand of red.

That would be a clear indication of a Paragon bias. /troll

[Terror_K]

Chris Priestly wrote...

If you are a new player (haven't played ME1 or ME2) you learn who Shepard is, why he's on earth, what the Reaper threat is, and then the story begins.

If you are a continuing player (have played either or both of the previous games) you already know the plot and character development because you helped form it with your previous play throughs and the story picks up after ME2.

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?

For me, personally, I found it really poorly paced and rushed for an opening. Too much glossing over things to get the the action. Then there's the fact the dialogue wheel barely comes up at all, leaving too many non-interactive cutscenes that make it feel like the game is in danger of suffering FF XIII or MGS4 syndrome, combined with the fact that beyond either Kaidan or Ashley appearing, there's really nothing in the intro to really establish and define your Shepard as being your own.

For more specifics, I'll just quote myself from another, similar topic:-

Terror_K wrote...

The thing is, the beginning as seen in the demo and that leaked footage from late last year definitely seems structured as an opening and very much feels like one. You couldn't have much more than that or it would be too long for an opening, given when the logo appears. For an intro it seems about the right length, but the problem is that it's not particularly well handled given that it's the third part and feels rushed.

I know a lot of this is probably due to expectations given early dev comments such as those in the GameInformer magazine early last year, and that because of that a lot of us were expecting an actual, proper trial to at least begin and perhaps reflect some of our Shepard's decisions and past deeds, etc.. As it stands it definitely does feel rushed, isolated and that not enough questions are answered. Why does Shepard know Vega to some degree already? Where are Garrus, Tali, etc. if we still had them at the end of ME2? What's the story for those of us who made Anderson Councilor? (ie. is there at least an explanation from him for it to fit that he no longer is somewhere?). On top of it all, it seems to just get to The Reapers landing far too quickly and doesn't really get to establish anything; it's just, "Bam! In there! GO!". The overall lack of any non-automated dialogue is a concern as well.

The whole thing felt like it was just trying to cut to the chase too quickly and important questions weren't being asked that should have been. It's a bit too jittery and jarry, and moments that should have had a bit more time and things that should have been either dwelled on more or focused on more were just glossed by. Especially considering how the player really isn't connected to the previous game much at all.

Whether something is "rushed" or simply "fast paced" comes down to execution and context. ME2 is an example of an introduction that's fast-paced and cuts to the chase fairly quickly, but it works rather well and doesn't feel rushed or clumsy about it. ME3's intro should have been a bit slower paced for a start, and then hit the accelerator when The Reapers arrived. The fast pace and the fact everybody knows what's coming kind of ends up neutering their actual arrival, which, IMO, would have had a greater impact had it been more sudden and had only Shepard been the one worried. Everybody wetting their pants before the action hits doesn't have as much an effect as a moment that seems perfectly normal and "safe" where the bigwigs are confident that there's nothing to worry
about.

Also, a proper injquiry and/or trial would have not only provided a better beginning and pacing, but helped to really define your Shepard from the beginning (e.g. like Miranda's opening speech with TIM in ME2 that kind of set up exactly what kind of Shepard you had and reflected many of the key points of ME1).

Modifié par Terror_K, 13 février 2012 - 06:20 .

[ramdog7]

Halo Quea wrote...

Two people are having a conversation-

"Hey I just read this fantastic book.  You really need to read this"

"Really?  What's the book about?"

"Honestly that doesn't matter.  In fact, you can skip the ENTIRE book and start at the final chapter" :happy:

"Excuse me?"

"Yeah, the author has constructed the novel in such a way that any reader can start reading the book from the very last chapter"

"Pardon me, but that doesn't make very much sense"

"Tell me about it, and as a fan of his novels it's caused me no end of grief, but the author basically did this for new readers so they could jump in at any point in the story"

"But why would any author write a book and then structure the last chapter so that the previous chapters that he's written could be ignored?   Does that make any sense to you?"

"Wait a second.  I just told you that the author constructed the final chapter so that people like you could jump in at any point.  You need to stop asking questions and take your **** to the book store"

"People like me?  Have you been listening?  I DON'T think it makes sense for me to start reading a book's final chapter, no matter how the author's constructed it."

"So you're not going to get the book?"

"No" <_<

"But it was made for you.  The last chapter is a kind of comic book that allows you to........"

"What does that even mean, made for me?    Does the author think that I'm lazy or stupid?  Does he really believe that I will purchase his book and skip to the last chapter without even knowing what's going on with the characters, plots and sub-plots?" <_<

"Basically..........yes"

"I'm not sure what to tell you, except that you probably need to find a new favorite author.  One that respects his fanbase of readers and won't sacrifice story and subtext just to bring new readers aboard"

*draws hand pistol*

"Uh.... sir it's really not necessary to kill me just because I won't read the book"

"The bullet isn't for you.........it's for me"

*
*slow clap* BRAVO

[iRAWRasaurusREX]

Alex Arterius wrote...

Maybe we lost the trial in favour of Kinect functionality AND ONLINE

Wouldn't that be the best.. -.-

fixed

[incinerator950]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...
However, for the majority of people here, they wanted a useless recap of events from ME, and mainly the Arrival expansion, so they're dissapointed.

I don't know what topic you're reading but no one here is arguing for a recap. We want to experience the things we don't know, not re-experience the things we already know.

I already knew that Shepard destroyed a Mass Relay with an Asteroid.  Killed 300,000 Batarian Civilians, and then surrendered to the Alliance to stand trial on Earth.  Sometime in six months, he is called upon to understand why Colonies and the fringes have gone dark outside of the Sol Relay.  

So far, that sounds more like a recap to me.  A Trial that people would ask for would just be a storytime of what I just said, minus the defense meeting.  

From what I remember from reading on two different forums, the trial already happened, or Shepard has been on a sort of House Arrest for Officers, removed from his command until it is deemed necissary for them to take action.  Admiral Hacket and Anderson probably pulled enough weight around to keep anything from happening to Shepard.  The Batarians being invaded before the humans is probably why the Alliance never got a response from the Batarian Government.

Someone with common sense.

ON THE BSN?!?!?

*Deep breathe* Immplications unpleasent.

I'm tipsy right now, enough of a reason for me to waste my time explaining that the Dev's are not giving 100% accurate information.  Especially since I know what happened in the Demo and Beta. 

[ElitePinecone]

MadLaughter wrote...
Starts with the end of the trial? Not at all. It starts with me being retrieved from a random room by a random guy to say "Yeah I was right, reapers are coming." There is nothing at all in the demo that implies any kind of trial is or was going on.

Yep, this. 

[mrbauxjangles]

Ah yes "The Trial" we have dismissed this claim

[royard]

Halo Quea wrote...

Two people are having a conversation-

"Hey I just read this fantastic book.  You really need to read this"

"Really?  What's the book about?"

I believe you should use alternating colors or something to distinguish who's who. 

[Hunter of Legends]

ramdog7 wrote...

Halo Quea wrote...

Two people are having a conversation-

"Hey I just read this fantastic book.  You really need to read this"

"Really?  What's the book about?"

"Honestly that doesn't matter.  In fact, you can skip the ENTIRE book and start at the final chapter" :happy:

"Excuse me?"

"Yeah, the author has constructed the novel in such a way that any reader can start reading the book from the very last chapter"

"Pardon me, but that doesn't make very much sense"

"Tell me about it, and as a fan of his novels it's caused me no end of grief, but the author basically did this for new readers so they could jump in at any point in the story"

"But why would any author write a book and then structure the last chapter so that the previous chapters that he's written could be ignored?   Does that make any sense to you?"

"Wait a second.  I just told you that the author constructed the final chapter so that people like you could jump in at any point.  You need to stop asking questions and take your **** to the book store"

"People like me?  Have you been listening?  I DON'T think it makes sense for me to start reading a book's final chapter, no matter how the author's constructed it."

"So you're not going to get the book?"

"No" <_<

"But it was made for you.  The last chapter is a kind of comic book that allows you to........"

"What does that even mean, made for me?    Does the author think that I'm lazy or stupid?  Does he really believe that I will purchase his book and skip to the last chapter without even knowing what's going on with the characters, plots and sub-plots?" <_<

"Basically..........yes"

"I'm not sure what to tell you, except that you probably need to find a new favorite author.  One that respects his fanbase of readers and won't sacrifice story and subtext just to bring new readers aboard"

*draws hand pistol*

"Uh.... sir it's really not necessary to kill me just because I won't read the book"

"The bullet isn't for you.........it's for me"

*
*slow clap* BRAVO

No clap.

With this kind of logic no story would ever have a beginning. Everything is connected and thusly all stories would start with the Big Bang or creation or what have you.