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[Hatchetman77]

Gemini1179 wrote...

Hatchetman77 wrote...


Meh, I'm ok with this.  I think the trial would have bogged down the opening of the game unnecessarily and disrupted the pacing of the story.

Then you're the kind of customer EA wants. No sense bogging players down with plot and character development when there are things to kill!

(Sorry I couldn't help it, I'm disappoineted at the opening- it's another bit of railroading and cut corners)

Hey, nobody bashed BioWare harder for bad decisions in DA2 and even in SWTOR more than me.  This is different.  This is an unnecessary scene that would have probably hit the cutting room floor if this was a motion picture.  Rehashing what has already happened through a trial isn't character development, it's getting the audience up to speed.  SInce you played the games you don't need this.  You already know what happened, and anything you might have forgotten will be exposited as needed when you meet up with characters that you met before.  Scenes like this in movies are scripted and shot and then cut from the final release all the time because while they may sound good on paper, they just don't work in the story.  This is how the creative process for any kind of storytelling works.

[HiroVoid]

Guys, I would just ignore Hunter of Legends. He's derailing the topic, and acting like a child. If you don't like the community, you can always go somewhere else more liking to your tastes.

Personally, this just feels like a bad setup at the start of a game.

Modifié par HiroVoid, 13 février 2012 - 06:18 .

[Alex Arterius]

ElitePinecone wrote...

MadLaughter wrote...
Starts with the end of the trial? Not at all. It starts with me being retrieved from a random room by a random guy to say "Yeah I was right, reapers are coming." There is nothing at all in the demo that implies any kind of trial is or was going on.

Yep, this. 

Bioware misslead us to believe there would be one though, seriously, look through all your old magazines with ME3 promos in. They'll all have something along the lines of "ME3 will start on earth with Shepard undergoing his trial following the events of Arrival"

[aporia88]

Squallypo wrote...

anyone remember the trials from kotor 1 , epic stuff right ? c: i miss that kind of stuf...

I miss old Bioware so much...

[incinerator950]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

I saw it, I also know there are more than one Dev tweet that says it.  However, the Demo and Beta point obvious to this.  I also know the Dev's downplay info or falsify it to their own agendas.  

Then, if he's falsifying, he's in the wrong.

My apology, I probably said this wrong.  That, or I took it over what needed to be said.  However, from my experience in talking to Devs and then playing with them, they're either rarely honest, or intentionally tell you brief information.

Don't expect the Dev's to 100% confirm or deny something unless they have a reason to. 

[AxisEvolve]

Hunter of Legends wrote...
Did you even play Arrival?

THAT. IS. WHAT. HAPPENED.

Shepard kills 300,000 batarians and sometime before ME3 starts he answers for this.

BAM.

That is SOO worth sitting through a whole trial.

Sigh.. You make brick walls look good.

I'm not even going to put any thought into my replies to you anymore. I'm just going to send you old posts to speed read in your blind fury. 

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Alex Arterius wrote...


Let me try to put this fairly.

Fans are disappointed beacuse one of the man points that came up in every magazine, every web based article and every interview etc was that: "The game will start with Shepard on trial on earth, following the events of Arrival" we were all confused as why this what not in the game during the opening/demo whatever as it has been something that has been promised all along.

Fans are upset beacuse we all wanted a shot to defend our Shepards actions. The pacing now feels very off, and the Reapers just seem to come out of nowhere, also much has been pre-established before we actually enter the game (Shepards left the SR2 crew, he's met Vega, the trails happened etc) these are major plot points. It would have been nice to see them in action. Particularly the trial.

However this isn't game breaking and I will still be buying the game. What is there during the opening is very, very good, exceptional infact. It would have just been nice to have the trial to aid the pacing and allow us to defend Shepards actions

 

[royard]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Did you even play Arrival?

THAT. IS. WHAT. HAPPENED.

Shepard kills 300,000 batarians and sometime before ME3 starts he answers for this.

BAM.

That is SOO worth sitting through a whole trial.

The fact that Arrival happened doesn't really connect to the beggining of the demo.  For example: why whould a diehard Cerberus loyalist renegade Shep even care to submit himself to the Alliance?  Wouldn't some short explaination be really nice? 

[Hunter of Legends]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

I saw it, I also know there are more than one Dev tweet that says it.  However, the Demo and Beta point obvious to this.  I also know the Dev's downplay info or falsify it to their own agendas.  

Then, if he's falsifying, he's in the wrong.

Then get angry at him.

Don't just flail your arms saying "BAD WRITING THIS GAME IS BAD".

Call BS on the marketing.

[Aggie Punbot]

Wait, I know what happened! They removed the trial so they could sell it as a paid DLC later! Ingenious!

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 13 février 2012 - 06:21 .

[Hunter of Legends]

Hatchetman77 wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

Hatchetman77 wrote...


Meh, I'm ok with this.  I think the trial would have bogged down the opening of the game unnecessarily and disrupted the pacing of the story.

Then you're the kind of customer EA wants. No sense bogging players down with plot and character development when there are things to kill!

(Sorry I couldn't help it, I'm disappoineted at the opening- it's another bit of railroading and cut corners)

Hey, nobody bashed BioWare harder for bad decisions in DA2 and even in SWTOR more than me.  This is different.  This is an unnecessary scene that would have probably hit the cutting room floor if this was a motion picture.  Rehashing what has already happened through a trial isn't character development, it's getting the audience up to speed.  SInce you played the games you don't need this.  You already know what happened, and anything you might have forgotten will be exposited as needed when you meet up with characters that you met before.  Scenes like this in movies are scripted and shot and then cut from the final release all the time because while they may sound good on paper, they just don't work in the story.  This is how the creative process for any kind of storytelling works.

BINGO!!!

WE HAVE A WINNER!

[Nezzer]

One fo the things a lot of people would be confused with is seeing Anderson as a common Admiral when he used to be a Citadel Councilor. Pretty much everyone chose him as the human councilor and very few people have read Retribution, but there's not a single word concerning his resign in the demo. I hope he at least explains it in imports that had him as councilor.

[ElitePinecone]

aporia88 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

anyone remember the trials from kotor 1 , epic stuff right ? c: i miss that kind of stuf...

I miss old Bioware so much...

The investiagation on Dantooine, the murder trial of the Republic war hero, the trial about killing the fish-god thing. 

Nuances!

[ramdog7]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

ramdog7 wrote...

Halo Quea wrote...

Two people are having a conversation-

"Hey I just read this fantastic book.  You really need to read this"

"Really?  What's the book about?"

"Honestly that doesn't matter.  In fact, you can skip the ENTIRE book and start at the final chapter" :happy:

"Excuse me?"

"Yeah, the author has constructed the novel in such a way that any reader can start reading the book from the very last chapter"

"Pardon me, but that doesn't make very much sense"

"Tell me about it, and as a fan of his novels it's caused me no end of grief, but the author basically did this for new readers so they could jump in at any point in the story"

"But why would any author write a book and then structure the last chapter so that the previous chapters that he's written could be ignored?   Does that make any sense to you?"

"Wait a second.  I just told you that the author constructed the final chapter so that people like you could jump in at any point.  You need to stop asking questions and take your **** to the book store"

"People like me?  Have you been listening?  I DON'T think it makes sense for me to start reading a book's final chapter, no matter how the author's constructed it."

"So you're not going to get the book?"

"No" <_<

"But it was made for you.  The last chapter is a kind of comic book that allows you to........"

"What does that even mean, made for me?    Does the author think that I'm lazy or stupid?  Does he really believe that I will purchase his book and skip to the last chapter without even knowing what's going on with the characters, plots and sub-plots?" <_<

"Basically..........yes"

"I'm not sure what to tell you, except that you probably need to find a new favorite author.  One that respects his fanbase of readers and won't sacrifice story and subtext just to bring new readers aboard"

*draws hand pistol*

"Uh.... sir it's really not necessary to kill me just because I won't read the book"

"The bullet isn't for you.........it's for me"

*
*slow clap* BRAVO

No clap.

With this kind of logic no story would ever have a beginning. Everything is connected and thusly all stories would start with the Big Bang or creation or what have you.

I dont follow, elaborate?

[Hunter of Legends]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...
Did you even play Arrival?

THAT. IS. WHAT. HAPPENED.

Shepard kills 300,000 batarians and sometime before ME3 starts he answers for this.

BAM.

That is SOO worth sitting through a whole trial.

Sigh.. You make brick walls look good.

I'm not even going to put any thought into my replies to you anymore. I'm just going to send you old posts to speed read in your blind fury. 

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Alex Arterius wrote...


Let me try to put this fairly.

Fans are disappointed beacuse one of the man points that came up in every magazine, every web based article and every interview etc was that: "The game will start with Shepard on trial on earth, following the events of Arrival" we were all confused as why this what not in the game during the opening/demo whatever as it has been something that has been promised all along.

Fans are upset beacuse we all wanted a shot to defend our Shepards actions. The pacing now feels very off, and the Reapers just seem to come out of nowhere, also much has been pre-established before we actually enter the game (Shepards left the SR2 crew, he's met Vega, the trails happened etc) these are major plot points. It would have been nice to see them in action. Particularly the trial.

However this isn't game breaking and I will still be buying the game. What is there during the opening is very, very good, exceptional infact. It would have just been nice to have the trial to aid the pacing and allow us to defend Shepards actions

 

Then you shouldn't seemingly tack on to the "This is bad writing" crowd.

Blame marketing not the writers.

[GamerrangerX]

Alex Arterius wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

MadLaughter wrote...
Starts with the end of the trial? Not at all. It starts with me being retrieved from a random room by a random guy to say "Yeah I was right, reapers are coming." There is nothing at all in the demo that implies any kind of trial is or was going on.

Yep, this. 

Bioware misslead us to believe there would be one though, seriously, look through all your old magazines with ME3 promos in. They'll all have something along the lines of "ME3 will start on earth with Shepard undergoing his trial following the events of Arrival"

i agree they miss lead us GOOD

[Dragoonlordz]

Hatchetman77 wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

Hatchetman77 wrote...


Meh, I'm ok with this.  I think the trial would have bogged down the opening of the game unnecessarily and disrupted the pacing of the story.

Then you're the kind of customer EA wants. No sense bogging players down with plot and character development when there are things to kill!

(Sorry I couldn't help it, I'm disappoineted at the opening- it's another bit of railroading and cut corners)

Hey, nobody bashed BioWare harder for bad decisions in DA2 and even in SWTOR more than me.  This is different.  This is an unnecessary scene that would have probably hit the cutting room floor if this was a motion picture.  Rehashing what has already happened through a trial isn't character development, it's getting the audience up to speed.  SInce you played the games you don't need this.  You already know what happened, and anything you might have forgotten will be exposited as needed when you meet up with characters that you met before.  Scenes like this in movies are scripted and shot and then cut from the final release all the time because while they may sound good on paper, they just don't work in the story.  This is how the creative process for any kind of storytelling works.

Not true at all. You do not know what happens in the entire 6 months of being back on Earth. It is neither a recap or anything other than "Here you go fans, we at Bioware know you truly love stories that have missing parts which wish to fill in with your own free imagination to save us time and money writing. Just like you loved it with DA2 via start of game dropping random people on you even though was sequal and our beloved tacky acts passing of years causing disconnects with plot and story. You can have more of the same because you enjoyed it so much with that title. But do not worry in the near future we will sell you the trial and past 6 months via DLC and a comic, so start saving those pennies because we are taking you to the cleaners".

Okay I am done ranting now, just gonna go get some sleep instead... Bad Bioware, bad indeed. /sigh

Went from most anticipated to before even coming out slaps me with disappointment. Not a clever or wise way to start a game and not one that promised would have something but then did not give. No it was not a trial and was not what was promised for reasons I already stated why is the case on the previous page.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 février 2012 - 06:28 .

[AxisEvolve]

royard wrote...
The fact that Arrival happened doesn't really connect to the beggining of the demo.  For example: why whould a diehard Cerberus loyalist renegade Shep even care to submit himself to the Alliance?  Wouldn't some short explaination be really nice? 

He's choosing to only reply regarding the Trial because he has no response for all the other valid points. 

[Hunter of Legends]

ramdog7 wrote...
I dont follow, elaborate?

If we allow this kind of circular logic I will want to know for instance Why is Garrus family not with him? Then I will want to know what happened to Garrus Grandparents.

Then his Great grand parents etc.

We will never have a "beggining because all things are connected. You need to "jump" in somewhere and this is what is called "story arcs".

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...


No one's asking for a recap of Arrival. We're wondering about what happened outside of the events of ME2.

I'm being uncivil because you're all acting like unreasonable children who got a red toy instead of the blue one.

We already KNOW what happened. It's practically spelled out for you in Arrival.

It seems like you are the one who needs things spelled out since you can't properly read what has actually been posted in this thread.

Once again - we. aren't. asking. for. a. recap. We want to know about the things we... don't know about. That is as simple as I can put it. If you can't comprehend that then there's no hope for you.

THERE. IS. NOTHING. ELSE.

Do you people even pay attention to the conversations and story?

1. How did the Alliance keep the batarians from declaring war?
2. How and when did Shepard convince the Defense Committee that the Reaper threat was real?
3. What exactly is Vega's job, anyway? A personal attendant? WTF?

[Hunter of Legends]

royard wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Did you even play Arrival?

THAT. IS. WHAT. HAPPENED.

Shepard kills 300,000 batarians and sometime before ME3 starts he answers for this.

BAM.

That is SOO worth sitting through a whole trial.

The fact that Arrival happened doesn't really connect to the beggining of the demo.  For example: why whould a diehard Cerberus loyalist renegade Shep even care to submit himself to the Alliance?  Wouldn't some short explaination be really nice? 

Because the Reapers are coming and he needs allies.

Running from the law after killing so many Batarians a good bridge builers does not make.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Hunter of Legends, you really have no idea do you. People think the intro is rushed, poorly paced and lacking details. That is a result of bad writing, not a result of the marketing.

[LiquidLogic2020]

To everyone saying read conviction, I just did and I know have even more questions. The biggest being how did the Batarian government find out that Shepard was responsible? Im pretty sure all proof of his involvement was destroyed in the blast and I can't see the alliance telling them that a human was responsible. It irked me at the end of arrival when Hackett says that there's just enough proof linking Shepard to the event, what proof could remain intact after a mass relay destroys the entire area of space that everything happened in? Or am I completely forgetting something? If so please feel free to point it out for me.

[Alex Arterius]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...


No one's asking for a recap of Arrival. We're wondering about what happened outside of the events of ME2.

I'm being uncivil because you're all acting like unreasonable children who got a red toy instead of the blue one.

We already KNOW what happened. It's practically spelled out for you in Arrival.

It seems like you are the one who needs things spelled out since you can't properly read what has actually been posted in this thread.

Once again - we. aren't. asking. for. a. recap. We want to know about the things we... don't know about. That is as simple as I can put it. If you can't comprehend that then there's no hope for you.

THERE. IS. NOTHING. ELSE.

Do you people even pay attention to the conversations and story?

1. How did the Alliance keep the batarians from declaring war?
2. How and when did Shepard convince the Defense Committee that the Reaper threat was real?
3. What exactly is Vega's job, anyway? A personal attendant? WTF?

What's REALLY ironic is his line to Ashley "You know the commander?"... Uhhhh right okay.. and are we just supposed to assume that you DO James?! Cus I aint seen yaw ass here in Mass Effect before

Modifié par Alex Arterius, 13 février 2012 - 06:27 .