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[Hunter of Legends]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

1. How did the Alliance keep the batarians from declaring war?
2. How and when did Shepard convince the Defense Committee that the Reaper threat was real?
3. What exactly is Vega's job, anyway? A personal attendant? WTF?

1. They stripped him of all his rank and removed him from duty. We do it on Earth now with Iraq war criminals.
2. Did you even watch the ME2 ending with the Reaper on the data pad? Or Arrival when Heckett admits Alliance knows about the Reapers.
3. He's a soldier; what he does will be explained later in the game.

Happy? Not a case of bad writing after all.

[incinerator950]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

My apology, I probably said this wrong.  That, or I took it over what needed to be said.  However, from my experience in talking to Devs and then playing with them, they're either rarely honest, or intentionally tell you brief information.

Don't expect the Dev's to 100% confirm or deny something unless they have a reason to. 

So...I don't get where you're coming from.

You say there's no trial...we KNOW that. But the months and months of previews and brief information said that ME3 would start AT the trial. And that's the problem.

It is, I'm just stating I'm not against it.  You people are, hence why Hunter is on a rant ironically.

[Hunter of Legends]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Hunter of Legends, you really have no idea do you. People think the intro is rushed, poorly paced and lacking details. That is a result of bad writing, not a result of the marketing.

There is no bad writing.

We played Arrival and know what happened.

Vega is explained later.

Not bad writing. You just want your hand held like in ME1.

[GamerrangerX]

We miss the bus folks,the trial as already begun,we gonna the start playing ME3 at the end of it and forget it you want have the choice to explore the area or go to shop like on Illium and Citadel BECAUSE THE REAPER  ALREADY HERE

Modifié par GamerrangerX, 13 février 2012 - 06:30 .

[Hunter of Legends]

incinerator950 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

My apology, I probably said this wrong.  That, or I took it over what needed to be said.  However, from my experience in talking to Devs and then playing with them, they're either rarely honest, or intentionally tell you brief information.

Don't expect the Dev's to 100% confirm or deny something unless they have a reason to. 

So...I don't get where you're coming from.

You say there's no trial...we KNOW that. But the months and months of previews and brief information said that ME3 would start AT the trial. And that's the problem.

It is, I'm just stating I'm not against it.  You people are, hence why Hunter is on a rant ironically.

I'm ranting because it's not bad WRITING.
 
It's bad MARKETING. Learn the difference before you come to argue with the big boys.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

ramdog7 wrote...
I dont follow, elaborate?

If we allow this kind of circular logic I will want to know for instance Why is Garrus family not with him? Then I will want to know what happened to Garrus Grandparents.

Then his Great grand parents etc.

We will never have a "beggining because all things are connected. You need to "jump" in somewhere and this is what is called "story arcs".

O. M. G.

You elaborate on story arcs, you flesh them out; you don't bring in irrelevant details like who Garrus' great-great grandpappy was unless it's actually relevant to the story.

[izmirtheastarach]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

I'm ranting because it's not bad WRITING.
 
It's bad MARKETING. Learn the difference before you come to argue with the big boys.

And..the big boys are an anonymous goof who joined the site a week ago?

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 13 février 2012 - 06:31 .

[Revan312]

What I don't get is why Hunter of Legends even plays RPG's if he doesn't like role playing.. If everything has to be new information or progress the story forward at break neck speeds, then what's the point of playing an RPG.

People like to role play in their role playing games, which is why a lot of posters would have liked to defend shep, seen what happened to old friends, had some meaningful conversations with people before the, as we all know, inevitable big event happening. There's zero build up, zero explanation as to how any of the events currently happening unfolded. But I guess none of that matters, and it's all stale and boring.. It would have ruined the pacing of the game if it was, ya know, paced..

[ScorpSt]

Chris Priestly wrote...

What dodge? This is the start of the game, people who have played the demo will back me up on this. How's this dodging?

I played the demo. There's no trial, hearing, inquest, inquiry or anything similar. Shepard is called in because the Reapers are coming, then they show up. Everything everyone says, Shepard's already been relived of duty and is only being kept on in an advisory capacity.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

1. How did the Alliance keep the batarians from declaring war?
2. How and when did Shepard convince the Defense Committee that the Reaper threat was real?
3. What exactly is Vega's job, anyway? A personal attendant? WTF?

1. They stripped him of all his rank and removed him from duty. We do it on Earth now with Iraq war criminals.
2. Did you even watch the ME2 ending with the Reaper on the data pad? Or Arrival when Heckett admits Alliance knows about the Reapers.
3. He's a soldier; what he does will be explained later in the game.

Happy? Not a case of bad writing after all.

Assumptions, and terrible ones at that. Do you seriously think the Batarians would lay off just because they stripped Shepard from command? The Batarians?

[CDRSkyShepard]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

1. How did the Alliance keep the batarians from declaring war?
2. How and when did Shepard convince the Defense Committee that the Reaper threat was real?
3. What exactly is Vega's job, anyway? A personal attendant? WTF?

Yes, yes, yes. These.

Though, to #3, that was addressed in the comic featuring Vega. Though, we're not given any kind of relationship development between Vega and Shepard. Vega and Shep pop up as already having a strong rapport...how did that happen? I'd love to get an opportunity to develop that...

[incinerator950]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

My apology, I probably said this wrong.  That, or I took it over what needed to be said.  However, from my experience in talking to Devs and then playing with them, they're either rarely honest, or intentionally tell you brief information.

Don't expect the Dev's to 100% confirm or deny something unless they have a reason to. 

So...I don't get where you're coming from.

You say there's no trial...we KNOW that. But the months and months of previews and brief information said that ME3 would start AT the trial. And that's the problem.

It is, I'm just stating I'm not against it.  You people are, hence why Hunter is on a rant ironically.

I'm ranting because it's not bad WRITING.
 
It's bad MARKETING. Learn the difference before you come to argue with the big boys.

It's a combination of both, actually.  They press played it into this Trial.  As to the story, people wanted it to recap on the events of Arrival.  Defend your beliefs, elaborate your actions, and ram the collective idea that Humanity is going to be threatened by Ancient Sentient Organic-construct Starships.  Then get invaded in an instant. 

[Pee Jae]

I'm not complaining, I'm not whining, I'm not ****ing. I'm certainly not cancelling my pre-order over something so insignificant (to me) as the beginning of a game. BUT... I was looking forward to seeing how everything happened as opposed to THIS happened behind THAT curtain while you weren't looking, NOW get the hell off the planet get us some help!

That's all.

[Hunter of Legends]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

ramdog7 wrote...
I dont follow, elaborate?

If we allow this kind of circular logic I will want to know for instance Why is Garrus family not with him? Then I will want to know what happened to Garrus Grandparents.

Then his Great grand parents etc.

We will never have a "beggining because all things are connected. You need to "jump" in somewhere and this is what is called "story arcs".

O. M. G.

You elaborate on story arcs, you flesh them out; you don't bring in irrelevant details like who Garrus' great-great grandpappy was unless it's actually relevant to the story.

I can make it relevent though.

That's my point. You need to jump in somewhere and they chose that moment for ME3.

[Hunter of Legends]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

I'm ranting because it's not bad WRITING.
 
It's bad MARKETING. Learn the difference before you come to argue with the big boys.

And..the big boys are an anonymous goof who joined the site a week ago?

He;s one who knows the difference between bad writing and bad marketing.

[incinerator950]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

ramdog7 wrote...
I dont follow, elaborate?

If we allow this kind of circular logic I will want to know for instance Why is Garrus family not with him? Then I will want to know what happened to Garrus Grandparents.

Then his Great grand parents etc.

We will never have a "beggining because all things are connected. You need to "jump" in somewhere and this is what is called "story arcs".

O. M. G.

You elaborate on story arcs, you flesh them out; you don't bring in irrelevant details like who Garrus' great-great grandpappy was unless it's actually relevant to the story.

I can make it relevent though.

That's my point. You need to jump in somewhere and they chose that moment for ME3.

I felt that way since watching the Beta.  

[Gemini1179]

incinerator950 wrote...

I was one of the day one Arrival players, it was better than the majority of the ME 2 and ME 1 missions, I don't see this negativity in feedback very well, so please elaborate.  As to the trial, the Demo intro looks like it was polished from the beta.

Wow. I thought Arrival was the worst piece of DLC for ME2. Shepard isn't restrained. The two fully armoured guards get punched out by Shepard like it ain't no thing; you are forced to fly an asteroid into a mass relay; you talk to Harbinger or a Reaper again and don't record the conversation; never mind that if it only took two years for the Reapers to fly into the galaxy anyway, what was the whole point of ME1? Where they just lazy and wanted a quick route into the galaxy to begin its destruction? For all intents and purposes, Soverign's signal had been sent YEARS before ME1, so why didn't they just fly to the Bahk system then?

Nevermind the fact that you are on an Cerberus ship, or ex-Cerberus ship, and a Spectre, and Hackett tells you you've got to go back to Earth to face the music that he sent you into?


What REALLY happened in dark space:

"So... when is this damn relay going to open back to the citadel, I'm getting hungry."

"You're always hungry Bob."

"Well Steve, it has been 50 000 of the mean habital solar orbit times of a planet since we last reigned destruction upon the galaxy."

"Dude, be patient, Soverign has got our backs."

"That's what you said 50 of the mean habital solar orbit times ago."

"What was with that name anyway? Soverign? What was wrong with Chad?"

"The Chad was great."

"Will you three be quiet! Phil, I mean 'Harbinger' *snicker*... is sending us a message."

"...ZZzzzZZtt.... go **** up a planet called Earth... bzzztt"

"Huh?"

"That's it, I'm going to the Alpha relay."

"Chad still might get that citadel relay open."

"Well, it will take 2 of the mean habital solar orbit times to get to the Alpha relay, OR we can wait for Chad."

"..."

"Screw Chad, let's get this party started!"

"Woot!"

"Yeee haw!"

"Is that really your 'ride the bomb' pose?"

"...shut up."

"Alright, we're going to the Alpha relay, any questions?"

"Yeah. Can we keep the Asari?"

"Oh yeah."

"Definitely."

"Those girls know how to party."

[Hunter of Legends]

incinerator950 wrote...

 and ram the collective idea that Humanity is going to be threatened by Ancient Sentient Organic-construct Starships.  Then get invaded in an instant. 

This happens already.

We don't need anymore tension or drama. It's been built up enough.

[Nezzer]

During all this discussion I forgot about Anderson since I've read Retribution and Deception, but most people haven't even heard about them, unfortunately.

- Hey Anderson, it's good to see you. Why people are calling you Admiral?
- Irrelevant. You have to go to the Citadel and speak to the Council, Shepard
- But you are a Councilor, what are you doing here?
- Haven't you read Retribution, Shepard?

[MissMaster]

Chris Priestly wrote...


Then you're the kind of
customer EA wants. No sense bogging players down with plot and character
development when there are things to kill!

(Sorry I couldn't help it, I'm disappoineted at the opening- it's another bit of railroading and cut corners)

Ok, I know I'm a tool of the Man and all, but how so?

If
you are a new player (haven't played ME1 or ME2) you learn who Shepard
is, why he's on earth, what the Reaper threat is, and then the story
begins.

If you are a continuing player (have played either or
both of the previous games) you already know the plot and character
development because you helped form it with your previous play throughs
and the story picks up after ME2.

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?

Okay. So BW said there was going to be a trial and said Arrival was going to be a huge deal, so they lied to their fans of ME1 and ME2 to bring in the COD and Gears of War group?

"We should cut that because new players aren't going to know what is going on. Durrr."

Popular Opinion: Fuvk the new players, are new players going to spend 80 bucks on the CE? No. Did new player pay for the DLC's? No. Have new players been waiting for the game for years? Hell no. Sorry to get rowdy about this but this is some bull. This game should have been made for people who took the time to play ME1 and ME2.

The told us that ME3 was going to pick up right after Arrival and of course we ate it up, and they made money. Tisk tisk.

Modifié par MissMaster, 13 février 2012 - 06:41 .

[CDRSkyShepard]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

1. How did the Alliance keep the batarians from declaring war?
2. How and when did Shepard convince the Defense Committee that the Reaper threat was real?
3. What exactly is Vega's job, anyway? A personal attendant? WTF?

1. They stripped him of all his rank and removed him from duty. We do it on Earth now with Iraq war criminals.
2. Did you even watch the ME2 ending with the Reaper on the data pad? Or Arrival when Heckett admits Alliance knows about the Reapers.
3. He's a soldier; what he does will be explained later in the game.

Happy? Not a case of bad writing after all.

Assumptions, and terrible ones at that. Do you seriously think the Batarians would lay off just because they stripped Shepard from command? The Batarians?

1. Why?
2. Hackett and Anderson are the only ones that believe you. Doesn't mean everyone else does. Now, suddenly they do. Why?
3. Where was the rapport development between Shep and Vega? Though, I must say the impression that I got that you're closer to James than the VS now was kinda poignant...but it was still a bit confusing. We never got to see what happened there.

Bottom line, we know what has happened, generally...very generally...but we don't know why. That's what's bugging people.

[LiquidLogic2020]

Hello Man wrote...

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

To everyone saying read conviction, I just did and I know have even more questions. The biggest being how did the Batarian government find out that Shepard was responsible? Im pretty sure all proof of his involvement was destroyed in the blast and I can't see the alliance telling them that a human was responsible. It irked me at the end of arrival when Hackett says that there's just enough proof linking Shepard to the event, what proof could remain intact after a mass relay destroys the entire area of space that everything happened in? Or am I completely forgetting something? If so please feel free to point it out for me.

DNA evidence:lol: Yeah that is curious and pretty deep. I just accept they some how found out. Or maybe someone had to say something. A Batarian is like what the heck what happend and the Alliance eventually caved in to what ever pressues whether it be them or the Glactic community. Its like lauching a nuke IMO, it would pretty hard to hide evidence.

The only thing I could think of is the Normandy is "spotted" leaving the relay, but then that dosen't make sence because it's the most advanced stealth ship in existance. I hope im just missing somthing. 

[Geraro]

Hello Man wrote...

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

To everyone saying read conviction, I just did and I know have even more questions. The biggest being how did the Batarian government find out that Shepard was responsible? Im pretty sure all proof of his involvement was destroyed in the blast and I can't see the alliance telling them that a human was responsible. It irked me at the end of arrival when Hackett says that there's just enough proof linking Shepard to the event, what proof could remain intact after a mass relay destroys the entire area of space that everything happened in? Or am I completely forgetting something? If so please feel free to point it out for me.

DNA evidence:lol: Yeah that is curious and pretty deep. I just accept they some how found out. Or maybe someone had to say something. A Batarian is like what the heck what happend and the Alliance eventually caved in to what ever pressues whether it be them or the Glactic community. Its like lauching a nuke IMO, it would pretty hard to hide evidence.

If I remember Arrival correctly, Shep has to fight his way out of the Batarian compound with Kerson. It isn't too much of a stretch of imagination to figure that Shep was caught on surveillance during the escape. The Batarians themselves may not have got out of the system before you destroy the relay, but given  FTL and relay communication technology it seems likely that they could have sent off a report detailing how Shep attacked their compound to free a terrorist suspected of plotting to destroy the relay..... like Hackett said, just enough proof to link Shep to the events.