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[incinerator950]

Hehe, why did I say that.

Modifié par incinerator950, 13 février 2012 - 06:39 .

[Hunter of Legends]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

1. How did the Alliance keep the batarians from declaring war?
2. How and when did Shepard convince the Defense Committee that the Reaper threat was real?
3. What exactly is Vega's job, anyway? A personal attendant? WTF?

1. They stripped him of all his rank and removed him from duty. We do it on Earth now with Iraq war criminals.
2. Did you even watch the ME2 ending with the Reaper on the data pad? Or Arrival when Heckett admits Alliance knows about the Reapers.
3. He's a soldier; what he does will be explained later in the game.

Happy? Not a case of bad writing after all.

Assumptions, and terrible ones at that. Do you seriously think the Batarians would lay off just because they stripped Shepard from command? The Batarians?

It's not an assumption when it actually happened/happens.

Dear lord this is sad.

[GamerrangerX]

MissMaster wrote...

Okay. So BW said there was going to be a trial and said Arrival was going to be a huge deal, so they lied to their fans of ME1 and ME2 to bring in the COD and Gears of War group?

"We should cut that because new players aren't going to know what is going on. Durrr."

Popular Opinion: Fuvk the new players, are new players going to spend 80 bucks on the CE? No. Did new player pay for the DLC's? No. Have new players been waiting for the game for years? Hell no. Sorry to get rowdy about this but this is some bull. This game should have been made for people who took the time to play ME1 and ME2.

The told us that ME3 was going to pick up right after Arrival and of course we ate it up, and they made money. Tisk tisk.

Yeah they lie about it

[Hunter of Legends]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

1. How did the Alliance keep the batarians from declaring war?
2. How and when did Shepard convince the Defense Committee that the Reaper threat was real?
3. What exactly is Vega's job, anyway? A personal attendant? WTF?

1. They stripped him of all his rank and removed him from duty. We do it on Earth now with Iraq war criminals.
2. Did you even watch the ME2 ending with the Reaper on the data pad? Or Arrival when Heckett admits Alliance knows about the Reapers.
3. He's a soldier; what he does will be explained later in the game.

Happy? Not a case of bad writing after all.

Assumptions, and terrible ones at that. Do you seriously think the Batarians would lay off just because they stripped Shepard from command? The Batarians?

1. Why?
2. Hackett and Anderson are the only ones that believe you. Doesn't mean everyone else does. Now, suddenly they do. Why?
3. Where was the rapport development between Shep and Vega? Though, I must say the impression that I got that you're closer to James than the VS now was kinda poignant...but it was still a bit confusing. We never got to see what happened there.

Bottom line, we know what has happened, generally...very generally...but we don't know why. That's what's bugging people.

1. Because Shepard blew up 300,000 innocent Batarians. Kinda self explanatory.
2. No, Hackett explains Alliance Command knows about the Reapers and since Hackett is the head honcho it is safe to say the Alliance knows.
3. It's latter in the game in ME3.

[The Cult Of Shepard]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.

Thanks for clearing it up for me Priestly.  I was a bit saddened that I won't be able to experience my FemShep going through the trial at the beginning.  But I'll manage.

[incinerator950]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

1. How did the Alliance keep the batarians from declaring war?
2. How and when did Shepard convince the Defense Committee that the Reaper threat was real?
3. What exactly is Vega's job, anyway? A personal attendant? WTF?

1. They stripped him of all his rank and removed him from duty. We do it on Earth now with Iraq war criminals.
2. Did you even watch the ME2 ending with the Reaper on the data pad? Or Arrival when Heckett admits Alliance knows about the Reapers.
3. He's a soldier; what he does will be explained later in the game.

Happy? Not a case of bad writing after all.

Assumptions, and terrible ones at that. Do you seriously think the Batarians would lay off just because they stripped Shepard from command? The Batarians?

1. Why?
2. Hackett and Anderson are the only ones that believe you. Doesn't mean everyone else does. Now, suddenly they do. Why?
3. Where was the rapport development between Shep and Vega? Though, I must say the impression that I got that you're closer to James than the VS now was kinda poignant...but it was still a bit confusing. We never got to see what happened there.

Bottom line, we know what has happened, generally...very generally...but we don't know why. That's what's bugging people.

1. Because Shepard blew up 300,000 innocent Batarians. Kinda self explanatory.
2. No, Hackett explains Alliance Command knows about the Reapers and since Hackett is the head honcho it is safe to say the Alliance knows.
3. It's latter in the game in ME3.

Was it elaborated that Hacket is in charge of Alliance Fleet deployments?  I know he's a top ranking Admiral, but to the Defense Committee and Arcturus, I'm blind on the subject.  I can get the general feel that the Alliance was aware of both the Collectors and the possibility of the Reapers more then they were willing to let on about.

[orpheuslupus]

While I can certainly understand the disappointment that they are leaving the trial scene out, it honestly seems like the better of two options for me. I feel like they were sort of backed into a corner there.

Option 1: Have actual trial scene. Certainly interesting, yes, but not very...Catchy to most video game fans at the moment. That's just the way it is.

Option 2: Go right into the action, with the implication that the trial has happened and time has passed. Not great idea, but I can see the logic.

Honestly, even if they had kept the trial I imagine it would have functioned about the same (Trial starts, last about five seconds, SUDDENLY REAPERS). It would have been nice to actually see the trial, but sometimes things have to be cut, which is an unfortunate fact of writing. BOTH solutions are arguably bad writing. I don't consider this a fault of ME's writers; no one is perfect 100% of the time, especially when it comes to group projects and the like.

Regardless I do hope we'll get appropriate exposition, callbacks, or a outright flashback to the trial and explaining James Vega (even if he was explained outside of the game, that's...Outside of the game).

EDIT:  For that matter the very fact that we don't know these things might arguably be a plot hook.

Modifié par orpheuslupus, 13 février 2012 - 06:44 .

[MissMaster]

GamerrangerX wrote...

Yeah they lie about it

If it was not going to happen then why would the feel the need to tweet it all over the place. What was the point, just to ****** people off? Why would you make people mad that have paid in to the Mass Effect franchise?

I don't ****ing understand.

Modifié par MissMaster, 13 février 2012 - 06:45 .

[Comsky159]

MissMaster wrote...

Okay. So BW said there was going to be a trial and said Arrival was going to be a huge deal, so they lied to their fans of ME1 and ME2 to bring in the COD and Gears of War group?

"We should cut that because new players aren't going to know what is going on. Durrr."

Popular Opinion: Fuvk the new players, are new players going to spend 80 bucks on the CE? No. Did new player pay for the DLC's? No. Have new players been waiting for the game for years? Hell no. Sorry to get rowdy about this but this is some bull. This game should have been made for people who took the time to play ME1 and ME2.

The told us that ME3 was going to pick up right after Arrival and of course we ate it up, and they made money. Tisk tisk.

This is really frustrating. We need someone to clear this up definitively so I know whether or not to vomit the many walls of text bubbling up inside me.
Edit: Nevermind I'll just sod off and punch a pillow for a few hours.

Honestly though can't deny I'm disappointed with what they came up with.

Modifié par Comsky159, 13 février 2012 - 06:52 .

[Hunter of Legends]

incinerator950 wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

1. How did the Alliance keep the batarians from declaring war?
2. How and when did Shepard convince the Defense Committee that the Reaper threat was real?
3. What exactly is Vega's job, anyway? A personal attendant? WTF?

1. They stripped him of all his rank and removed him from duty. We do it on Earth now with Iraq war criminals.
2. Did you even watch the ME2 ending with the Reaper on the data pad? Or Arrival when Heckett admits Alliance knows about the Reapers.
3. He's a soldier; what he does will be explained later in the game.

Happy? Not a case of bad writing after all.

Assumptions, and terrible ones at that. Do you seriously think the Batarians would lay off just because they stripped Shepard from command? The Batarians?

1. Why?
2. Hackett and Anderson are the only ones that believe you. Doesn't mean everyone else does. Now, suddenly they do. Why?
3. Where was the rapport development between Shep and Vega? Though, I must say the impression that I got that you're closer to James than the VS now was kinda poignant...but it was still a bit confusing. We never got to see what happened there.

Bottom line, we know what has happened, generally...very generally...but we don't know why. That's what's bugging people.

1. Because Shepard blew up 300,000 innocent Batarians. Kinda self explanatory.
2. No, Hackett explains Alliance Command knows about the Reapers and since Hackett is the head honcho it is safe to say the Alliance knows.
3. It's latter in the game in ME3.

Was it elaborated that Hacket is in charge of Alliance Fleet deployments?  I know he's a top ranking Admiral, but to the Defense Committee and Arcturus, I'm blind on the subject.  I can get the general feel that the Alliance was aware of both the Collectors and the possibility of the Reapers more then they were willing to let on about.

The line is in the demo.

"Hackett is moving the fleets".

He's the 5-star badass of the Alliance.

[MissMaster]

Comsky159 wrote...

MissMaster wrote...

Okay. So BW said there was going to be a trial and said Arrival was going to be a huge deal, so they lied to their fans of ME1 and ME2 to bring in the COD and Gears of War group?

"We should cut that because new players aren't going to know what is going on. Durrr."

Popular Opinion: Fuvk the new players, are new players going to spend 80 bucks on the CE? No. Did new players pay for the DLC's? No. Have new players been waiting for the game for years? Hell no. Sorry to get rowdy about this but this is some bull. This game should have been made for people who took the time to play ME1 and ME2.

They told us that ME3 was going to pick up right after Arrival and of course we ate it up, and they made money. Tisk tisk.

This is really frustrating. We need someone to clear this up definitively so I know whether or not to vomit the many walls of text bubbling up inside me.

I know I can't want to hear ANOTHER excuse.

Modifié par MissMaster, 13 février 2012 - 06:49 .

[Eterna]

I would have preferred a 10 minute trial to multiplayer.

[Dragoonlordz]

MissMaster wrote...

Okay. So BW said there was going to be a trial and said Arrival was going to be a huge deal, so they lied to their fans of ME1 and ME2 to bring in the COD and Gears of War group?

They appear to have got what they wanted not only by causing large disconnect between plot of ME2 and start of ME3 with missing 6 months (which will probably nickle and dime us for later via a comic) but also adding kinect gimmicks and multiplayer plus action mode for such people on top of the cutting out of RP content. Such people like 'Hunter of Legends' proves they got what they wanted in response to what asked at the detriment to a large amount of long time fans.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 février 2012 - 06:51 .

[orpheuslupus]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
*snip*

3. What? We're talking about the beginning of ME3. Why is Vega here? Why is SHepard "closer to him than the VS"? If you find that out later in the game, not now, then that's poor writing.

I would debate the point about it being poor writing.  While yes, it would in fact be very silly to leave it hanging for a long period (this is not something that should be a SHOCKING HUGE END GAME REVELATION), as long as it's explained early on i see no real problem with it.  Hell, I'd rather see proof of him and the Commander getting along well and genuinely interacting with each other first before I worry about the exposition on how they met.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

1. Because Shepard blew up 300,000 innocent Batarians. Kinda self explanatory.
2. No, Hackett explains Alliance Command knows about the Reapers and since Hackett is the head honcho it is safe to say the Alliance knows.
3. It's latter in the game in ME3.

Respectfully disagree.

1. That was never explicitly stated. That is an assumption. Shepard could have been relieved from duty because of security concerns about working with Cerberus. He/she could have been relieved of duty as punishment for the Alpha relay incident. We don't actually know why because no one said anything specifically.
2. Admiral Hackett is in charge of the 5th fleet, not the entire Alliance Navy. He says that the Alliance knows about the Reapers, but that doesn't mean they trust Shepard. He/she was still working for Cerberus at the time.
3. It is later, but there's no mention of how Vega and Shepard came to be together in the same place or how they built up their rapport. Through the comic, we know how Vega and Shepard initially met, but we never got the chance to see, in any form, how he went from being her brig guard to being her friend. This is probably not as big of an issue as the other two, but it's still a bit vague.

[Hunter of Legends]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

1. How did the Alliance keep the batarians from declaring war?
2. How and when did Shepard convince the Defense Committee that the Reaper threat was real?
3. What exactly is Vega's job, anyway? A personal attendant? WTF?

1. They stripped him of all his rank and removed him from duty. We do it on Earth now with Iraq war criminals.
2. Did you even watch the ME2 ending with the Reaper on the data pad? Or Arrival when Heckett admits Alliance knows about the Reapers.
3. He's a soldier; what he does will be explained later in the game.

Happy? Not a case of bad writing after all.

Assumptions, and terrible ones at that. Do you seriously think the Batarians would lay off just because they stripped Shepard from command? The Batarians?

1. Why?
2. Hackett and Anderson are the only ones that believe you. Doesn't mean everyone else does. Now, suddenly they do. Why?
3. Where was the rapport development between Shep and Vega? Though, I must say the impression that I got that you're closer to James than the VS now was kinda poignant...but it was still a bit confusing. We never got to see what happened there.

Bottom line, we know what has happened, generally...very generally...but we don't know why. That's what's bugging people.

1. Because Shepard blew up 300,000 innocent Batarians. Kinda self explanatory.
2. No, Hackett explains Alliance Command knows about the Reapers and since Hackett is the head honcho it is safe to say the Alliance knows.
3. It's latter in the game in ME3.

1. Why did the Baarians back downsimply because Shepard was stripped of rank? you're avoiding the real question.

2. Fair point, though some might debate it.

3. What? We're talking about the beginning of ME3. Why is Vega here? Why is SHepard "closer to him than the VS"? If you find that out later in the game, not now, then that's poor writing.

1. This has been driven home several times; the Batarians simply won't go to war with the Alliance because they'll lose. Judging from what Hackett says, simply putting Shepard on trial was gonna be enough to deter Batarians leaders.

2. Fair enough.

3. That isn't poor writing, it's pacing.
Several great works introduce characters that either delay the "explanation for them" or hide it. Poor writing would be not mentioning this or waiting until the last minute*



*Baring significant plot detial. Darth vader is a big one.

[Hunter of Legends]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

MissMaster wrote...

Okay. So BW said there was going to be a trial and said Arrival was going to be a huge deal, so they lied to their fans of ME1 and ME2 to bring in the COD and Gears of War group?

They appear to have got what they wanted not only by causing large disconnect between plot of ME2 and start of ME3 with missing 6 months (which will probably nickle and dime us for later via a comic) but also adding action mode for such people on top of the cutting out of RP content. Such people like 'Hunter of Legends' proves they got what they wanted in response to what asked at the detriment to a large amount of long time fans.

I'm a long time fan.

I just actually pay attention to the story and use my brain.

[MissMaster]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

They appear to have got what they wanted not only by causing large disconnect between plot of ME2 and start of ME3 with missing 6 months (which will probably nickle and dime us for later via a comic) but also adding action mode for such people on top of the cutting out of RP content. Such people like 'Hunter of Legends' proves they got what they wanted in response to what asked at the detriment to a large amount of long time fans.

Sigh. Thanks BW sh*tting on the people that really made you money. I hope they know that with out thier true hard core fans they would have sunk by now.

[Hunter of Legends]

orpheuslupus wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
*snip*

3. What? We're talking about the beginning of ME3. Why is Vega here? Why is SHepard "closer to him than the VS"? If you find that out later in the game, not now, then that's poor writing.

I would debate the point about it being poor writing.  While yes, it would in fact be very silly to leave it hanging for a long period (this is not something that should be a SHOCKING HUGE END GAME REVELATION), as long as it's explained early on i see no real problem with it.  Hell, I'd rather see proof of him and the Commander getting along well and genuinely interacting with each other first before I worry about the exposition on how they met.

LIGHT SPOILERS

















Vega's relationship is explained during the intro before the Citidel.


*End spoilers*

Modifié par Hunter of Legends, 13 février 2012 - 06:53 .

[Halo Quea]

Gemini1179 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

I was one of the day one Arrival players, it was better than the majority of the ME 2 and ME 1 missions, I don't see this negativity in feedback very well, so please elaborate.  As to the trial, the Demo intro looks like it was polished from the beta.

Wow. I thought Arrival was the worst piece of DLC for ME2. Shepard isn't restrained. The two fully armoured guards get punched out by Shepard like it ain't no thing; you are forced to fly an asteroid into a mass relay; you talk to Harbinger or a Reaper again and don't record the conversation; never mind that if it only took two years for the Reapers to fly into the galaxy anyway, what was the whole point of ME1? Where they just lazy and wanted a quick route into the galaxy to begin its destruction? For all intents and purposes, Soverign's signal had been sent YEARS before ME1, so why didn't they just fly to the Bahk system then?

Nevermind the fact that you are on an Cerberus ship, or ex-Cerberus ship, and a Spectre, and Hackett tells you you've got to go back to Earth to face the music that he sent you into?

LMAO!!!  And Right On!!

Shepard get's his wings clipped and his career canned doing Admiral Hacket's dirty work. This was after all  HIS covert operation IN Batarian space.  There needs to be some kind of explaination if there's no trial. 

Did Shepard agree to fall on his sword for Hackett?

Aren't the Batarians demanding that the Alliance turn Shepard over to their government?

What was the Council's reaction to one of their most celebrated (and controversial) Spectre's being involved a planetary massacre?

These are things that a trial or court-martial would have brought out.