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[Hunter of Legends]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

1. That was never explicitly stated. That is an assumption. Shepard could have been relieved from duty because of security concerns about working with Cerberus. He/she could have been relieved of duty as punishment for the Alpha relay incident. We don't actually know why because no one said anything specifically.
2. Admiral Hackett is in charge of the 5th fleet, not the entire Alliance Navy. He says that the Alliance knows about the Reapers, but that doesn't mean they trust Shepard. He/she was still working for Cerberus at the time.
3. It is later, but there's no mention of how Vega and Shepard came to be together in the same place or how they built up their rapport. Through the comic, we know how Vega and Shepard initially met, but we never got the chance to see, in any form, how he went from being her brig guard to being her friend. This is probably not as big of an issue as the other two, but it's still a bit vague.

1. It's said in the intro; I believe imports mention the Alpha Relay because Anderson mentions it.
2. Hackett got promoted.
3. This is explained in ME3 later on.

[LiquidLogic2020]

Geraro wrote...

Hello Man wrote...

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

To everyone saying read conviction, I just did and I know have even more questions. The biggest being how did the Batarian government find out that Shepard was responsible? Im pretty sure all proof of his involvement was destroyed in the blast and I can't see the alliance telling them that a human was responsible. It irked me at the end of arrival when Hackett says that there's just enough proof linking Shepard to the event, what proof could remain intact after a mass relay destroys the entire area of space that everything happened in? Or am I completely forgetting something? If so please feel free to point it out for me.

DNA evidence:lol: Yeah that is curious and pretty deep. I just accept they some how found out. Or maybe someone had to say something. A Batarian is like what the heck what happend and the Alliance eventually caved in to what ever pressues whether it be them or the Glactic community. Its like lauching a nuke IMO, it would pretty hard to hide evidence.

If I remember Arrival correctly, Shep has to fight his way out of the Batarian compound with Kerson. It isn't too much of a stretch of imagination to figure that Shep was caught on surveillance during the escape. The Batarians themselves may not have got out of the system before you destroy the relay, but given  FTL and relay communication technology it seems likely that they could have sent off a report detailing how Shep attacked their compound to free a terrorist suspected of plotting to destroy the relay..... like Hackett said, just enough proof to link Shep to the events.

But even then thats no where near enough proof to openly acuse him, rember how much eveidence the council needed before they would belive you. My Shepards a spectre too, I guess it's just going to be "a fill it in your self" moment. I need to try and avoid all story related information concerning ME3 now, im starting to get more and more pesimistic about it the more I hear about it. 

[ElitePinecone]

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

To everyone saying read conviction, I just did and I know have even more questions. The biggest being how did the Batarian government find out that Shepard was responsible? Im pretty sure all proof of his involvement was destroyed in the blast and I can't see the alliance telling them that a human was responsible. It irked me at the end of arrival when Hackett says that there's just enough proof linking Shepard to the event, what proof could remain intact after a mass relay destroys the entire area of space that everything happened in? Or am I completely forgetting something? If so please feel free to point it out for me.

Trying to deal with Arrival's plot holes is pretty futile... 

[Hunter of Legends]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

1. Because Shepard blew up 300,000 innocent Batarians. Kinda self explanatory.
2. No, Hackett explains Alliance Command knows about the Reapers and since Hackett is the head honcho it is safe to say the Alliance knows.
3. It's latter in the game in ME3.

1. Why did the Baarians back downsimply because Shepard was stripped of rank? you're avoiding the real question.

2. Fair point, though some might debate it.

3. What? We're talking about the beginning of ME3. Why is Vega here? Why is SHepard "closer to him than the VS"? If you find that out later in the game, not now, then that's poor writing.

1. This has been driven home several times; the Batarians simply won't go to war with the Alliance because they'll lose. Judging from what Hackett says, simply putting Shepard on trial was gonna be enough to deter Batarians leaders.

2. Fair enough.

3. That isn't poor writing, it's pacing.
Several great works introduce characters that either delay the "explanation for them" or hide it. Poor writing would be not mentioning this or waiting until the last minute*



*Baring significant plot detial. Darth vader is a big one.

1. I've never seen this myself, but I'm not well versed on the Batarian vs. Alliance thing so i'll leave that for someone else.

3. Then, perhaps you made a typo when you put "latter" and meant "later?" Later is acceptable, latter is not.

1. This is a matter of interprataion. We'll see in ME3 with that who cannot be mentioned.

3. It was a typo, I meant later.

[orpheuslupus]

...Come to think of it, imagine if James had stopped during the opening suddenly and had gone into a long "HEY, COMMANDER, REMEMBER THAT TIME WE FIRST MET? THAT WAS GREAT, RIGHT?" exposition. We would know exactly why they're friends, but it would have been force fed to us. If it's true that it's never fully explained, yeah, that's unfortunate. Not a huge loss, I suppose, but still unfortunate. I'm not really sure where during the opening you could have fit it in, though; aside from of course having Vega meet the Commander right there, which certainly was an option but not what they went with.

But that's honestly how I feel about these things. So it wasn't explained immediately. I'm hoping it'll be explained somewhere; if it's not, then it's not the end of the world. Everyone messes up sometimes.

[Comsky159]

Eterna5 wrote...

I would have preferred a 10 minute trial to multiplayer.

Indeed. Or any tacky mobile game for that matter.

[MissMaster]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

MissMaster wrote...

Okay. So BW said there was going to be a trial and said Arrival was going to be a huge deal, so they lied to their fans of ME1 and ME2 to bring in the COD and Gears of War group?

They appear to have got what they wanted not only by causing large disconnect between plot of ME2 and start of ME3 with missing 6 months (which will probably nickle and dime us for later via a comic) but also adding action mode for such people on top of the cutting out of RP content. Such people like 'Hunter of Legends' proves they got what they wanted in response to what asked at the detriment to a large amount of long time fans.

I'm a long time fan.

I just actually pay attention to the story and use my brain.

Derp. Okay so one can blow a Mass Relay and kill 300'000 and all they do is ground him/her and take a way thier ship? Really. If you want to have good writing Shepard should have had a trial even better Shepard should have been in jail for what he/ she did. Hands down.

What Shep got was a slap on the wrist. And that is bull-sh*t.

I'm hoping BW put something in ME3 that would recover how derrpy the intro was.

Modifié par MissMaster, 13 février 2012 - 06:58 .

[royard]

Comsky159 wrote...

MissMaster wrote...

Okay. So BW said there was going to be a trial and said Arrival was going to be a huge deal, so they lied to their fans of ME1 and ME2 to bring in the COD and Gears of War group?

"We should cut that because new players aren't going to know what is going on. Durrr."

Popular Opinion: Fuvk the new players, are new players going to spend 80 bucks on the CE? No. Did new player pay for the DLC's? No. Have new players been waiting for the game for years? Hell no. Sorry to get rowdy about this but this is some bull. This game should have been made for people who took the time to play ME1 and ME2.

The told us that ME3 was going to pick up right after Arrival and of course we ate it up, and they made money. Tisk tisk.

This is really frustrating. We need someone to clear this up definitively so I know whether or not to vomit the many walls of text bubbling up inside me.
Edit: Nevermind I'll just sod off and punch a pillow for a few hours.

Honestly though can't deny I'm disappointed with what they came up with.

It's actually a simple business decision.  The long term fans probably won't abadon the series now (because they want to see the ending),so just schooch them over a bit to make more sapce for the new players.  That way, you make more money off the new comers while not losing any from the old. 

[Revan312]

I still don't understand why Shepard is even at this Admiralty meeting. What the hell does Shepard know that nobody else with Reaper info know? If it was a geth or collector invasion, sure, Shepard knows how to handle them.. A Reaper? I guess he/she knows how to shoot a leap frog Saren with pistols and assault rifles and how to shoot the glowing orange eyes out of a Contra 3 boss, but an actual Reaper? I'd say the rest of the naval forces within the galaxy know more than Shepard as they're the ones that fought Sovereign head on.

"What do we do?!"

"Uhh.. like, shoot em and stuff?"

"Why did you bring this soldier here Anderson?"

"It's just.. I thought that.. Actually I'm not sure"

[izmirtheastarach]

Anderson actually says "if you were any other soldier you would have been court-martialed'. This sort of sounds like there was never any trial at all.

[AxisEvolve]

orpheuslupus wrote...

...Come to think of it, imagine if James had stopped during the opening suddenly and had gone into a long "HEY, COMMANDER, REMEMBER THAT TIME WE FIRST MET? THAT WAS GREAT, RIGHT?" exposition.

And Shepard replies "Oh man.. that was SUCH a crazy night." Then he walks away.

Epic trolling.

[kidbd15]

Me thinks the "trial" will be that intro sequence, like the Genesis comic for ME2... then once the comic, or whatever it will end up being ends, then we'll go to what we saw in the demo, the "end of the trial".... so:

Intro Comic/Whatever it is = TRIAL
Opening cinematic from DEMO = AFTER TRIAL

As long as that intro whatever is great, then I am good.

[incinerator950]

Halo Quea wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

I was one of the day one Arrival players, it was better than the majority of the ME 2 and ME 1 missions, I don't see this negativity in feedback very well, so please elaborate.  As to the trial, the Demo intro looks like it was polished from the beta.

Wow. I thought Arrival was the worst piece of DLC for ME2. Shepard isn't restrained. The two fully armoured guards get punched out by Shepard like it ain't no thing; you are forced to fly an asteroid into a mass relay; you talk to Harbinger or a Reaper again and don't record the conversation; never mind that if it only took two years for the Reapers to fly into the galaxy anyway, what was the whole point of ME1? Where they just lazy and wanted a quick route into the galaxy to begin its destruction? For all intents and purposes, Soverign's signal had been sent YEARS before ME1, so why didn't they just fly to the Bahk system then?

Nevermind the fact that you are on an Cerberus ship, or ex-Cerberus ship, and a Spectre, and Hackett tells you you've got to go back to Earth to face the music that he sent you into?

LMAO!!!  And Right On!!

Shepard get's his wings clipped and his career canned doing Admiral Hacket's dirty work. This was after all  HIS covert operation IN Batarian space.  There needs to be some kind of explaination if there's no trial. 

Did Shepard agree to fall on his sword for Hackett?

Aren't the Batarians demanding that the Alliance turn Shepard over to their government?

What was the Council's reaction to one of their most celebrated (and controversial) Spectre's being involved a planetary massacre?

These are things that a trial or court-martial would have brought out.

Yes Shepard did.

No, the Batarians want to attack Humanity, using what Shepard did, or whoever, as a valid reason.  The Alliance were going to put Shepard up for his actions as a reason to avoid war. 

They're not going to do jack ****, or, they would strip Shepard like they did Saren, and throw Shepard to the wolves, even if they agreed with Shepard.

No, these are things a court marshal would bring as a small attempt for avoiding war.  The only thing that stops this is that the Batarians get knocked out before the Alliance does. 

Modifié par incinerator950, 13 février 2012 - 06:59 .

[Halo Quea]

Revan312 wrote...

I still don't understand why Shepard is even at this Admiralty meeting. What the hell does Shepard know that nobody else with Reaper info know? If it was a geth or collector invasion, sure, Shepard knows how to handle them.. A Reaper? I guess he/she knows how to shoot a leap frog Saren with pistols and assault rifles and how to shoot the glowing orange eyes out of a Contra 3 boss, but an actual Reaper? I'd say the rest of the naval forces within the galaxy know more than Shepard as they're the ones that fought Sovereign head on.

"What do we do?!"

"Uhh.. like, shoot em and stuff?"

"Why did you bring this soldier here Anderson?"

"It's just.. I thought that.. Actually I'm not sure"

bwhahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

[Hunter of Legends]

MissMaster wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

MissMaster wrote...

Okay. So BW said there was going to be a trial and said Arrival was going to be a huge deal, so they lied to their fans of ME1 and ME2 to bring in the COD and Gears of War group?

They appear to have got what they wanted not only by causing large disconnect between plot of ME2 and start of ME3 with missing 6 months (which will probably nickle and dime us for later via a comic) but also adding action mode for such people on top of the cutting out of RP content. Such people like 'Hunter of Legends' proves they got what they wanted in response to what asked at the detriment to a large amount of long time fans.

I'm a long time fan.

I just actually pay attention to the story and use my brain.

Derp. Okay so one can blow a Mass Relay and kill 300'000 and all they do is ground him/her and take a way thier ship? Really. If you want to have good writing Shepard should have had a trial even better Shepard should have been in jail for what he/ she did. Hands down.

What Shep got was a slap on the wrist. And that is bull-sh*t.

I'm hoping BW put something in ME3 that would recover how derrpy the intro was.

It's explained Anderson and Hackett take bullets for you.

So again not bad writing. It's been set up why Shepard isn't executed at this point.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Was the OP's question ever answered? (don't want to read through the 27 pages for some reason...)

[SiD the Turtle]

My take on it, which has been half pointed out in previous posts:

• Think about the number of people who bought ME2 compared to Arrival, I would guess that more than half of ME2 purchasers did not buy Arrival, therefore starting the game with a trial based on the events of Arrival would be confusing.
• Instead, the general nature of Shephards collusion with Cerberus is enough for a trial.
• Therefore better to keep it vague- fans who've explored the Arrival DLC can assume that the trial is based on what happened there, those who didn't can assume it's just a general trial for Shepards actions.
• Plus, pacing yo.  You don't start a war movie with 20 minutes of trial talk.

I think some of the fans here need to remember your requirements for a direct continuation of what happened in Arrival would only satisfy a small portion of the player-base.  Being a fan and being all knowing about the back story and lore, can't you just fill in the blanks yourself?

Plus Arrival was awful, the less we can mention it in ME3 the better 

[incinerator950]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Anderson actually says "if you were any other soldier you would have been court-martialed'. This sort of sounds like there was never any trial at all.

No, my belief is that Anderson and Hacket stonewalled the rest of the brass until the need to bring one of, if not the only Human individual who actually understands whats going on into a meeting to discuss why colonies and the entire fringe territories for Alliance Space has gone dark more than the Collector Attacks.

For Arrival players who haven't completed the DLC before the SM, Hacket even explains that the Alliance Brass is actually aware of the Collector attacks, but every fleet engagement with them turns into a loss for the Alliance.

[Dragoonlordz]

Filament wrote...

Didn't read the whole thread...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.

...So when does Shepard break away from Cerberus and the ME2 crew in those six months? Does he just sit on his hands in a cell the whole time as the reapers get ready to attack?

You'll probably find that out later by buying the additional DLC which contains the 6 months missing from story and the actual trial.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 février 2012 - 07:02 .

[MissMaster]

royard wrote...


It's actually a simple business decision.  The long term fans probably won't abadon the series now (because they want to see the ending),so just schooch them over a bit to make more sapce for the new players.  That way, you make more money off the new comers while not losing any from the old. 

Yes. They know no matter what they are going to make big money off of us. But is makes BW seem like a cheap.....****.

[Maj.Pain007]

Xarathox wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.

Good to finally know. Arrival has no consequnces.

Glad to know I was missled thinking Arrival would actually mean something. Hopefully BW doest say one thing to advertise it and it ends up a non factor.

[ElitePinecone]

Halo Quea wrote...

Did Shepard agree to fall on his sword for Hackett?

Aren't the Batarians demanding that the Alliance turn Shepard over to their government?

What was the Council's reaction to one of their most celebrated (and controversial) Spectre's being involved a planetary massacre?

These are things that a trial or court-martial would have brought out.

Exactly. This is interesting, political stuff. 

I was expecting good things from the trial, given the conversation with Hackett at the end of Arrival. We might have got good information about the Alliance and the batarians. 

[JamieCOTC]

At least Vega doesn't die in the first 5 minutes of the game and we're supposed to care about it like we've known him forever.

Maybe Vega is there to make us old timers feel like the new players? And who the hell are you again?

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

Trial not iis demo, trial its full verision for limited time, Mass Effect 3 come in demo version,
demo version have in this case only 2 mission for single player, and beta its full version, but its not
definitive becouse its a test version.