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[incinerator950]

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.

Good to finally know. Arrival has no consequnces.

Glad to know I was missled thinking Arrival would actually mean something. Hopefully BW doest say one thing to advertise it and it ends up a non factor.

Glad to know you're dissapointed that Bioware is not trying to please you on what you think is an appropriate outcome, even when they have not fully explained the game for good reasons, and that the demo does not detail the first few hours of the game to explain everything in detail.

[Revan312]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

3. It is later, but there's no mention of how Vega and Shepard came to be together in the same place or how they built up their rapport. Through the comic, we know how Vega and Shepard initially met, but we never got the chance to see, in any form, how he went from being her brig guard to being her friend. This is probably not as big of an issue as the other two, but it's still a bit vague.

3. This is explained in ME3 later on.

I present this as an explination of why that's bad writing..  
http://www.youtube.c...i6qqFLA#t=4m37s

[CDRSkyShepard]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

1. That was never explicitly stated. That is an assumption. Shepard could have been relieved from duty because of security concerns about working with Cerberus. He/she could have been relieved of duty as punishment for the Alpha relay incident. We don't actually know why because no one said anything specifically.
2. Admiral Hackett is in charge of the 5th fleet, not the entire Alliance Navy. He says that the Alliance knows about the Reapers, but that doesn't mean they trust Shepard. He/she was still working for Cerberus at the time.
3. It is later, but there's no mention of how Vega and Shepard came to be together in the same place or how they built up their rapport. Through the comic, we know how Vega and Shepard initially met, but we never got the chance to see, in any form, how he went from being her brig guard to being her friend. This is probably not as big of an issue as the other two, but it's still a bit vague.

1. It's said in the intro; I believe imports mention the Alpha Relay because Anderson mentions it.
2. Hackett got promoted.
3. This is explained in ME3 later on.

1. I'm aware of that dialogue. Anderson never mentions that's the exact reason why Shepard was grounded. He just alludes to the incident. In response to what you said to another poster about the batarians backing off just because Shepard has a trial in the first place...Admiral Hackett never said such a thing. He said that the batarians have been looking for any excuse to go to war since humans showed up in the galaxy. If they want to start a war that bad, a token gesture won't stop them. The entire thing is completely glossed over, too. I understand why they might want to cut a formal trial scene, but there is so much missing between the end of ME2 and the beginning of ME3. There's leaps of logic that shouldn't be there. Just a few sentances saying, "Yeah Shepard, this is what happened in the past 6 months" would have been very helpful.
2. Admiral Hackett is still a fleet admiral in the demo. That means he's still a field admiral, not one of the big wigs sitting in an office. I'd also like to see where you got your information that he was promoted. As far as I know, he's still the commander of the 5th fleet, no matter how many bars he has on his epaulets.
3. Again, this is a lesser concern, but it's not ideal by a long shot, even if it gets explained later.

[Halo Quea]

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.

Good to finally know. Arrival has no consequnces.

Glad to know I was missled thinking Arrival would actually mean something. Hopefully BW doest say one thing to advertise it and it ends up a non factor.

The way I see it now, Bioware should have paid US to play Arrival.

[HiroVoid]

MissMaster wrote...

royard wrote...


It's actually a simple business decision.  The long term fans probably won't abadon the series now (because they want to see the ending),so just schooch them over a bit to make more sapce for the new players.  That way, you make more money off the new comers while not losing any from the old. 

Yes. They know no matter what they are going to make big money off of us. But is makes BW seem like a cheap.....****.

This is the last game in the trilogy, so it certainly worked......this strategy really doesn't seem to have gone well with Dragon Age though.

[Gemini1179]

incinerator950 wrote...

Yes Shepard did.

My Shepard didn't. See? That's the problem I have. My Shepard had absolutely no reason to fall on a sword for Hackett. If ANYTHING Hackett should be tripping over his feet to fall on a sword for Shepard. The Rogue VI on the moon, the unexploded nuclear ordinace, Major Kyle, etc, etc, etc.

Shepard gets the royal plot-shaft. There are no two ways about it.

If anyone can point me to a video of the demo where there is facial animations above the bottom lips of the characters, I'd love to see it. Right now, all I'm seeing are flapping jaws. Correct me if I'm wrong.

www.youtube.com/watch

Start watching Anderson and Shepard in this vid from 9:30. Flapping jaws.

[Darth_Trethon]

I just saw the whole opening from character creation on YouTube and it all looked flawless....I saw no problem at all. Not even slightly rushed....a solid 7 minute intro. Shep was held for a trial but the reapers' arrival turned the whole thing into a plea for help which worked great. Facial animations looked amazing as did the graphics and no visible fps lack. All in all a flawless intro. No a lot of dialogue choices but that's ok.....I rather have much fewer but far more significant and branching choices and this I have no doubt ME3 will deliver.

[MissMaster]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

It's explained Anderson and Hackett take bullets for you.

So again not bad writing. It's been set up why Shepard isn't executed at this point.

I really hope you are right. BW could have faked us out and the trial might very well be in the full game and they just wanted to hear us b*tch about it. lol. I hopeee.

[incinerator950]

Halo Quea wrote...

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.

Good to finally know. Arrival has no consequnces.

Glad to know I was missled thinking Arrival would actually mean something. Hopefully BW doest say one thing to advertise it and it ends up a non factor.

The way I see it now, Bioware should have paid US to play Arrival.

I would love to see that, but I know for a fact more outside of my opinion this should not be true.

[Gemini1179]

HiroVoid wrote...

This is the last game in the trilogy, so it certainly worked......this strategy really doesn't seem to have gone well with Dragon Age though.

That's because they blew it on DA2. For its flaws, ME2 is a vastly superior gaming experience to DA2.

[AxisEvolve]

Filament wrote...
...So when does Shepard break away from Cerberus and the ME2 crew in those six months? Does he just sit on his hands in a cell the whole time as the reapers get ready to attack?

It was confirmed as follows:
-2 months teaching the space hamster tricks
-1 month launching probes
-2 months looking for the hidden bathroom in his cabin
-Rest of the time spent in stasis

Then he wakes up and Mass Effect 3 begins.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

I just saw the whole opening from character creation on YouTube and it all looked flawless....I saw no problem at all. Not even slightly rushed....a solid 7 minute intro. Shep was held for a trial but the reapers' arrival turned the whole thing into a plea for help which worked great. Facial animations looked amazing as did the graphics and no visible fps lack. All in all a flawless intro. No a lot of dialogue choices but that's ok.....I rather have much fewer but far more significant and branching choices and this I have no doubt ME3 will deliver.

But there was no trial...everything happened as if the trial was already said and done. Anderson told us the Defense Committee trusted Shepard...if he/she were in the middle of a trial, why would they? They'd have no reason to.

[Gemini1179]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

I just saw the whole opening from character creation on YouTube and it all looked flawless....I saw no problem at all. Not even slightly rushed....a solid 7 minute intro. Shep was held for a trial but the reapers' arrival turned the whole thing into a plea for help which worked great. Facial animations looked amazing as did the graphics and no visible fps lack. All in all a flawless intro. No a lot of dialogue choices but that's ok.....I rather have much fewer but far more significant and branching choices and this I have no doubt ME3 will deliver.

Can you please point me to the vid that isn't full of flat faces and flapping jaws. I'm serious. All I've seen so far is sketchy graphics, flapping jaws and eyeballs doing weird things.

[Hunter of Legends]

MissMaster wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

It's explained Anderson and Hackett take bullets for you.

So again not bad writing. It's been set up why Shepard isn't executed at this point.

I really hope you are right. BW could have faked us out and the trial might very well be in the full game and they just wanted to hear us b*tch about it. lol. I hopeee.

These things are explained/will be.

There is not bad writing for this instance. Now other things on the other hand...

[Pee Jae]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Filament wrote...
...So when does Shepard break away from Cerberus and the ME2 crew in those six months? Does he just sit on his hands in a cell the whole time as the reapers get ready to attack?

It was confirmed as follows:
-2 months teaching the space hamster tricks
-1 month launching probes
-2 months looking for the hidden bathroom in his cabin
-Rest of the time spent in stasis

Then he wakes up and Mass Effect 3 begins.

Wait, my cabin has a bathroom?

[incinerator950]

Gemini1179 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Yes Shepard did.

My Shepard didn't. See? That's the problem I have. My Shepard had absolutely no reason to fall on a sword for Hackett. If ANYTHING Hackett should be tripping over his feet to fall on a sword for Shepard. The Rogue VI on the moon, the unexploded nuclear ordinace, Major Kyle, etc, etc, etc.

Shepard gets the royal plot-shaft. There are no two ways about it.

If anyone can point me to a video of the demo where there is facial animations above the bottom lips of the characters, I'd love to see it. Right now, all I'm seeing are flapping jaws. Correct me if I'm wrong.

www.youtube.com/watch

Start watching Anderson and Shepard in this vid from 9:30. Flapping jaws.

This is why the Bioware community needs to learn what canon decision process actually means.  Shepard canonically surrenders himself.  Just like the Star Forge was destroyed even if you saved it, just like the Emperor stops Horus after being mortally wounded by watching <insert peon> get obliterated. 

Your Shepard is different because you were given limited freedom to choose outcomes, not everything is given to you, at some point something has to happen outside of your control.  If you can't deal with it, find another game.

[ElitePinecone]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Anderson actually says "if you were any other soldier you would have been court-martialed'. This sort of sounds like there was never any trial at all.

Also this.

He makes it sound like his influence and the threat of the Reapers convinced the Admiralty to not hold a trial at all.

It would've been fascinating if the game used that as a springboard to explore the galactic reaction to Shepard being let off after killing 300,000 batarians. 

Or maybe some insight into the internal debate - we've seen precious little of the Alliance's commanders. Did some members of the Alliance brass want to make Shepard a scapegoat? Did some hate Cerberus enough to refuse to help the Commander? Did some feel the Reaper threat was too serious, and they couldn't afford to throw Shepard in jail?

It'd be a great way to show the compromises war forces on people and the limits of, say, ideas of international justice. 

None of that can be explored, because there wasn't a trial. 

[Mr. Gogeta34]

If the demo is really the intro to ME3... then the trial is already over and Shep was just called in to confirm that the Reapers had arrived.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 13 février 2012 - 07:10 .

[Dragoonlordz]

SiD the Turtle wrote...

My take on it, which has been half pointed out in previous posts:

• Think about the number of people who bought ME2 compared to Arrival, I would guess that more than half of ME2 purchasers did not buy Arrival, therefore starting the game with a trial based on the events of Arrival would be confusing.
• Instead, the general nature of Shephards collusion with Cerberus is enough for a trial.
• Therefore better to keep it vague- fans who've explored the Arrival DLC can assume that the trial is based on what happened there, those who didn't can assume it's just a general trial for Shepards actions.
• Plus, pacing yo.  You don't start a war movie with 20 minutes of trial talk.

I think some of the fans here need to remember your requirements for a direct continuation of what happened in Arrival would only satisfy a small portion of the player-base.  Being a fan and being all knowing about the back story and lore, can't you just fill in the blanks yourself?

Plus Arrival was awful, the less we can mention it in ME3 the better 

Customers should not be forced to fill in the gaps due to development teams not being bothered or wanting to invest any time or effort into filling in those blanks. Imagination is a powerful thing but they are selling me a product, a story, not selling me a book cover and I have to fill in all the blanks. Same mistake they made with DA2 dropping random people on you at start of sequal that somehow magically mean't to care about when do not or missing entire years from plot to save time and effort. They got a huge backlash about that. Just like CDPR got over introduction to their TW2 title where left everything to peoples imagination instead of putting in the effort to explain the start of the game.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 février 2012 - 07:15 .

[HiroVoid]

So is there a reason why my Shepard told Vega there's no reason to salute him and call him commander. It took several convos for Ashley to go from 'commander' to 'skipper' in ME1.....

[incinerator950]

Gemini1179 wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

This is the last game in the trilogy, so it certainly worked......this strategy really doesn't seem to have gone well with Dragon Age though.

That's because they blew it on DA2. For its flaws, ME2 is a vastly superior gaming experience to DA2.

That's because DA 2 was an experiment to see if Baldur's Gate: Origins' sequel would be better on the ME 2 system.  So, according to half the fan base, it wasn't.  

[CDRSkyShepard]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

It's explained Anderson and Hackett take bullets for you.

So again not bad writing. It's been set up why Shepard isn't executed at this point.

No no no no...never is it EVER explicitly stated either of them have taken bullets for you. Anderson says it's because of your past actions saving the galaxy and his good word. I don't even think there's a blurb in there abou Hackett's support for you at all. And even then, it's just a good word being put in for you, not anyone taking falls.

Also, Anderson said, "tried, court-martialled, and discharged." I have no idea where you got executions from.

[HolyAvenger]

I'm still going with the fact that Reaper invasion happened pre-trial.

[Darth_Trethon]

They trusted shep because of his record and Anderson's word who had personally worked with shep. As for the complaints regarding facial animations...I don't get them. All looks fine to me, not sure how you expect them to move but whatever.

[Halo Quea]

MissMaster wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

It's explained Anderson and Hackett take bullets for you.

So again not bad writing. It's been set up why Shepard isn't executed at this point.

I really hope you are right. BW could have faked us out and the trial might very well be in the full game and they just wanted to hear us b*tch about it. lol. I hopeee.

No, don't set yourself up for that disappointment.   The trial won't be in the full game, Bioware wouldn't have needed to keep THAT part of the game a secret.  It was one of the first things we learned about ME3.  It was talked about as if it were an integral part of the beginning of ME3.

Now we understand that is no longer the case.