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[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Lady Discordia wrote...
If I were a new player, I would be pretty confused by the opening.

Unlike in ME1 and PC/360 ME2 intros where everything was explained right at the beginning?   

Modifié par Ghost Rider LSOV, 13 février 2012 - 12:32 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

I just hope this doesn't mean bad news. The intro was good but things are missing just like with DA2, the only difference was that DA2's intro was absolute crap in every aspect.

[lobi]

DayusMakhina wrote...

Hello Man wrote...

MadLaughter wrote...

I looked through Mac Walter's twitter through last year, couldn't find it. Anyone have the link?

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/119125334833631232

To be fair, that does say most, rather than all /clutching at straws.

From first page of thraed.

[Centauri2002]

That's rather disappointing to hear. I was looking forward to playing out the trial.

I can only conclude that they thought it would be too slow a start for new players and that getting into the thick of the action was the best way to start off the story. But, for those of us who have played the previous two games, it would have been more enjoyable to experience an important event like this rather than skip it completely.

Oh well, what's done is done now. I'm sure I'll enjoy it anyway.

[TheRealJayDee]

Terror_K wrote...

Hey, don't worry people. I'm sure if enough of us ask for it, BioWare will release an optional, paid DLC featuring a more substantial and less rushed intro.

So... for just $10 or so, we can get the introduction the game SHOULD have had from the beginning (no pun intended...)

Given they didn't do it for DA2 I wouldn't get my hopes up. Damn, there really were times I would have paid for something like that, sad as it is...

[Lady Discordia]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Lady Discordia wrote...
If I were a new player, I would be pretty confused by the opening.

Unlike in ME1 and PC/360 ME2 intros where everything was explained right at the beginning?   

Dunno about everyone else, but I found ME1 pretty self explanatory  And ME2 is easily understandable to people who know ME1, if you dont then I think you could be forgiven for being confused. I think the reason why i'm being so harsh with the ME3 opening is that this game keeps being said to be a great place to jump into the series. Based on the opening, I strongly disagree.

(But I disagreed anyway, why the heck would you play the third part of a trilogy before playing the first 2??)

Modifié par Lady Discordia, 13 février 2012 - 01:03 .

[Errationatus]

 Perfunctory rushed intro, chopped dialogue choices, pointless character additions, short missions, autodialogue, "Galactic Warfare" stats, three "kinds" of playthrough types, chopping previously established characters so they can shoehorn in characters from alternate media that most people probably know little about (not everyone buys all the books and all the comics, or any of them; Deception was relevant, no? <_<)...

...Mass of Duty: Modern Effect War Three, anyone?

Y'know, it's odd, I was rather eager for ME3, but the closer it comes, and the more I hear and learn about it, the less enthused I become.  I wanna be psyched - I was psyched,  I know people are psyched, but I can't shake the feeling that we are going to get shafted in the holy name of Multiplayer bullsh!t because EA is sick with the COD MP virus and want nothing but clones hereafter, simply because there's a generation of gamers out there who don't give a sh!t about story or character development or depth of narrative.

I keep waiting for the devs to talk about how sweet the SP campaign is and all they talk about is multiplayer, multiplayer, multiplayer. That doesn't bode well.  Who really gives a crap?  Why would I want to be forced to go online and play with twenty-seven quarians all with name variations of "Zorah Vas"-whatever, and being called "f@g!" every five minutes?  I think its a safe bet that pretty much all DLC for ME3 will be MP-oriented.  If the story is over, what is there to add?

Oh, well - I'm going to reserve final judgment until I play the full game; I'm going to do my best to give it the benefit of doubt, but so far, everything new just seems to reinforce my misgivings and doesn't inspire confidence.  Given the current state of movies and TV, I guess I'll just have to learn to lower my expectations when it comes to gaming as well.

*Shrug*  Maybe it's just me, and I'm reading things incorrectly. Perhaps these aren't valid concerns.

I'll be happy to be wrong, but I really can't believe how much "Meh" I'm actually feeling.

Oh, and on topic: it was never specifially stated there would be a trial, just that that's why Shep's on Earth when the game starts.  We were never promised an actual trial, it's just why s/he was there.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 13 février 2012 - 01:10 .

[Terror_K]

centauri2002 wrote...

That's rather disappointing to hear. I was looking forward to playing out the trial.

I can only conclude that they thought it would be too slow a start for new players and that getting into the thick of the action was the best way to start off the story. But, for those of us who have played the previous two games, it would have been more enjoyable to experience an important event like this rather than skip it completely.

Oh well, what's done is done now. I'm sure I'll enjoy it anyway.

Then how about this: importers get a decent opening, complete with (some of) the trial... new players get crappy, rushed beginning.:innocent:

[Il Divo]

Lady Discordia wrote...
Dunno about everyone else, but I found ME1 pretty self explanatory  And ME2 is easily understandable to people who know ME1, if you dont then I think you could be forgiven for being confused. I think the reason why i'm being so harsh with the ME3 opening is that this game keeps being said to be a great place to jump into the series. Based on the opening, I strongly disagree.

(But I disagreed anyway, why the heck would you play the third part of a trilogy before playing the first 2??)

I'm more annoyed because it makes Arrival absolutely irrelevant. As a closer to ME2, the dlc already had some minor issues with Shepard being able to escape so easily, the relays suddenly being vulnerable to destruction, etc, but when I heard about the potential for a trial at the end, I at least saw what they were going for.

The intro seems to take all that and toss it out the window. I'm absolutely looking forward to the Reaper invasion. It's just that I think it should have had more time to establish the tone of the current situation. I was looking forward to defending myself against the Alliance similar to the Manaan trials in KotOR, the Saren trial in ME1, and the Tali trial in ME2.

[Centauri2002]

Terror_K wrote...

Then how about this: importers get a decent opening, complete with (some of) the trial... new players get crappy, rushed beginning.:innocent:

I'm all for that. 

[abnocte]

I was looking forward to the trial too!! I also think it would make an amazing character creator...

Imagine...

General plane of the trial's room: Shepard standing in the middle, giving his/her back to the camera.
Right in from of him/her the court.
First plane: Shepard's hands with the handcuffs, fists closing.
Mid plane of the court: synaptic interfaces showing Shepard's data...

Zoom in synaptic interface so the player enters CC mode.
*Data corruption detected, please reconstruct profile* ( Rolf, sorry I had to! )

Zoom out.
Judge: Commander Shepard, you have been accused of destroying a Batarian colony with more than 300.000 civilians, and destroying a mass relay in the process. Do you have any... wh-what?

General plane of the room: *dreadful noise fills the court* everybody tries to find the source of the sound with a concerned look. First explosion outside the building takes place.

Full frontal plane of Shepard looking down, as the camera zooms in Shepard raises his/her head to look the judge directly at their eyes: I warned you.

General plane of the city being attacked by Reapers.


Why Bioware! Why!! It would have been awesome!!!

[didymos1120]

JakeMacDon wrote...

 Perfunctory rushed intro, chopped dialogue choices, pointless character additions, short missions, autodialogue, "Galactic Warfare" stats, three "kinds" of playthrough types, chopping previously established characters so they can shoehorn in characters from alternate media that most people probably know little about (not everyone buys all the books and all the comics, or any of them; Deception was relevant, no? <_<)...

You talking about Kai Leng?  Because he was created for ME3 first, and put into Retribution because of that fact.

[Prom001]

Il Divo wrote...

Lady Discordia wrote...
Dunno about everyone else, but I found ME1 pretty self explanatory  And ME2 is easily understandable to people who know ME1, if you dont then I think you could be forgiven for being confused. I think the reason why i'm being so harsh with the ME3 opening is that this game keeps being said to be a great place to jump into the series. Based on the opening, I strongly disagree.

(But I disagreed anyway, why the heck would you play the third part of a trilogy before playing the first 2??)

I'm more annoyed because it makes Arrival absolutely irrelevant. As a closer to ME2, the dlc already had some minor issues with Shepard being able to escape so easily, the relays suddenly being vulnerable to destruction, etc, but when I heard about the potential for a trial at the end, I at least saw what they were going for.

The intro seems to take all that and toss it out the window. I'm absolutely looking forward to the Reaper invasion. It's just that I think it should have had more time to establish the tone of the current situation. I was looking forward to defending myself against the Alliance similar to the Manaan trials in KotOR, the Saren trial in ME1, and the Tali trial in ME2.

I agree.

[WellBig D]

Man they are really dropping the ball I'm inclined to cancel my preorder

[Terror_K]

Prom001 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

I'm more annoyed because it makes Arrival absolutely irrelevant. As a closer to ME2, the dlc already had some minor issues with Shepard being able to escape so easily, the relays suddenly being vulnerable to destruction, etc, but when I heard about the potential for a trial at the end, I at least saw what they were going for.

The intro seems to take all that and toss it out the window. I'm absolutely looking forward to the Reaper invasion. It's just that I think it should have had more time to establish the tone of the current situation. I was looking forward to defending myself against the Alliance similar to the Manaan trials in KotOR, the Saren trial in ME1, and the Tali trial in ME2.

I agree.

Agreed again (for emphasis).

[Terror_K]

WellBig D wrote...

Man they are really dropping the ball I'm inclined to cancel my preorder

Well, disappointing as it is, I think some of it comes from our expectations not being met. We were told a trial (or hearing), and thus expected to actually see some of this and be part of it. It's a bit like being told about a party and the host saying, "there'll be cake" and when you show up and there's nothing but crumbs the host says, "Well there was cake. Hance the crumbs."

That said, that doesn't excuse the rushed nature of what's there. I'd have been willing to accept the lack of any proper trial had the intro been paced better and not seemed like such a hamfisted rush to get The Reapers a blastin'. The trail's absense or presence doesn't dictate the success or failure of the beginning... the overall execution and style of it does.

And it really is, trial aside, executed rather poorly, for both new and old players alike.

[1136342t54_]

Meh I can accept a trial not being there. The intro just seems a little rushed. They may as well show a small spacebattle and the way that the Reapers attacked Earth seemed a little quick. Either they are so damn effective that they disable communications very quickly and fleets in under a few minutes, or the Alliance wasn't on the ball then.

[Alex Arterius]

I feel as if my concerns over the direction of ME3 have been semi confirmed by this move :/

Instead of focusing on things that fans were looking forward to such as the trial it seems the've instead focused on things such as Kinect, an Iphone app and Multiplayer. It's quite disheartening.

It seems Bioware may have let it's focus on story slide in ME3 just to draw in the COD fans.

[Geraro]

JakeMacDon wrote...


Why would I want to be forced to go online and play with twenty-seven quarians all with name variations of "Zorah Vas"-whatever, and being called "f@g!" every five minutes? 

What I am really not looking forward to is the enormous number of Quarians I'll undoubtably come across in multiplayer that hail from the "Deferens". <_<


I have to agree with many of your concerns and, while I am not against improving the shooter aspects over what we saw in ME2 (and from the demo I feel pretty sure that BW have achieved that), the lack of dev talk regarding the RPG elements is concerning. Despite some valid points raised by other people in this thread who feel that the snappy intro sequence we saw in the demo is better than the somewhat overwrought introductions in ME1 and ME2, I think the remainder who were really looking forward to the exposition of a Shep trial are justified to be concerned that the RPG elements are being overshadowed by the shooter elements in the remainder of the game.

Apparently there is further background and story filler after the initial sequence which may address the RPG-lite concerns but we (at least most of us) will have to wait until March to find out if the finale matches our ridiculously high expectations or ends up being a disappointment.

[stpaul]

Are we told what happened to the crew at the trial?

[Thompson family]

Re: OP

"Cmdr. Shepard, do you have anyone to testify in your defense?"

Reapers arrive.

"Yes sir."

[WellBig D]

Terror_K wrote...

WellBig D wrote...

Man they are really dropping the ball I'm inclined to cancel my preorder

Well, disappointing as it is, I think some of it comes from our expectations not being met. We were told a trial (or hearing), and thus expected to actually see some of this and be part of it. It's a bit like being told about a party and the host saying, "there'll be cake" and when you show up and there's nothing but crumbs the host says, "Well there was cake. Hance the crumbs."

That said, that doesn't excuse the rushed nature of what's there. I'd have been willing to accept the lack of any proper trial had the intro been paced better and not seemed like such a hamfisted rush to get The Reapers a blastin'. The trail's absense or presence doesn't dictate the success or failure of the beginning... the overall execution and style of it does.

And it really is, trial aside, executed rather poorly, for both new and old players alike.

This isn't the only thing I'm upset about I haved the demo
the graphics are bad there is alot of auto dialog and in my opinon the action is just average.

[Terror_K]

Thompson family wrote...

Re: OP

"Cmdr. Shepard, do you have anyone to testify in your defense?"

Reapers arrive.

"Yes sir."

LOL

Damn! As funny and silly as that is, it's damn close to being better than the actual introduction. In some ways it is.

[Alex Arterius]

stpaul wrote...

Are we told what happened to the crew at the trial?

Well there is no trial :/

No mention of the crew at all in fact. It's as if they just disappeared...

[Alex Arterius]

This is how I would descirbe the opening, step by step:

RANDOM PEOPLES FACES

SHEPARDS FACE

VEGAS FACE

ANDERSONS FACE

KHBFBiwefbKHEDGKBJSRJGhkwrbg

THE REAPERS ARE HERE, RUN!