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[Mike Shepard]

I have a new view: what if Shepard being called in to see the defense committee was the end of the trial? Trials have recesses during which the defendant (Shepard) would be taken out of the room and put in a holding room

[Feanor_II]

I never expected much about the trial, I knew it was only going to be a quick intro into the game and for me it's OK as it is. maybe it could be a a bit longer, but never expected anything like "A Few Good Men" and it's famous:

Kaffee: *Colonel Jessep, did you order the Code Red?*
Judge Randolph: You *don't* have to answer that question!
Col. Jessep: I'll answer the question!
[to Kaffee]
Col. Jessep: You want answers?
Kaffee: I think I'm entitled to.
Col. Jessep: *You want answers?*
Kaffee: *I want the truth!*
Col. Jessep: *You can't handle the truth!*

[Darth Asriel]

Just another in what is becoming s long list of disappointments where ME3 is concerned. I was very much looking forward to defending my paragon Shep. But the splosion crowd need their fix. At this point I'm pot committed(poker reference). I'll get ME3 but right now my excitement waned considerably.

[Reever]

Hello Man wrote...

MadLaughter wrote...

I looked through Mac Walter's twitter through last year, couldn't find it. Anyone have the link?

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/119125334833631232

Oh damn...and it got so hyped (by the fans of course). Doesn´t mean I´m THAT disappointed though, I just think it would´ve been MORE EPIC!!!

Arkitekt wrote...

Why is it disappointing? Most probably
it was tried over and over but out just didn't flow. So it was canned.
People are stressing too much over half known details when its the
entirety of the game that you should worry. It will be great overalll,
im sure.

And whats about all the hatred towards the me2 intro im
seeing in the forums? If you hate me2 intro no way you will enjoy this
one

As I said, more epic. Would have been a great intro. But I guess you are right, the game per se is more important... maybe we´re getting some flashbacks?
As for ME2, I liked that intro. But it doesn´t make sense those who didn´t like it won´t like this one as well, since there are less cinematics in the 3rd one... or have I missed something?!

But there´s still this here though:

Mr.Kusy wrote...
I
think this is more about the whole entry point in Mass Effect 2 made no
sense. They blew the Normandy and killed Shepard just for the sake of
having a shocking start, and then picked up from where they left, making
the whole death and rebirth absolutely irrelevant to the story.

Other than that, I liked the intro really much.

Modifié par BlueDemonX, 13 février 2012 - 04:52 .

[bluewolv1970]

Darth Asriel wrote...

Just another in what is becoming s long list of disappointments where ME3 is concerned. I was very much looking forward to defending my paragon Shep. But the splosion crowd need their fix. At this point I'm pot committed(poker reference). I'll get ME3 but right now my excitement waned considerably.

the game really is starting to sound disappointing regarding the lack of story and choices and the amounts of auto dialogue...I honestly did not think that Bioware could scre up ME3 (even after DA2) but now I am not certain...I am not even sure what need there is for a story mode if story is being cut out - and dialogue is automatic.

[Squallypo]

sounds like ff XIII-2 did a better job? ;P omg kill me please im saying ff 13-2 is better fuuuuuuu *goes to a hill and jump off from it*

[bluewolv1970]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

Then you're the kind of customer EA wants. No sense bogging players down with plot and character development when there are things to kill!

(Sorry I couldn't help it, I'm disappoineted at the opening- it's another bit of railroading and cut corners)

Ok, I know I'm a tool of the Man and all, but how so?

If you are a new player (haven't played ME1 or ME2) you learn who Shepard is, why he's on earth, what the Reaper threat is, and then the story begins.

If you are a continuing player (have played either or both of the previous games) you already know the plot and character development because you helped form it with your previous play throughs and the story picks up after ME2.

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?

and that somes up the disconnect on what a lot of people want/like in bioware games...it is like we say red and bioware hears GREEN...

[frylock23]

Feanor_II wrote...

I never expected much about the trial, I knew it was only going to be a quick intro into the game and for me it's OK as it is. maybe it could be a a bit longer, but never expected anything like "A Few Good Men" and it's famous:

Kaffee: *Colonel Jessep, did you order the Code Red?*
Judge Randolph: You *don't* have to answer that question!
Col. Jessep: I'll answer the question!
[to Kaffee]
Col. Jessep: You want answers?
Kaffee: I think I'm entitled to.
Col. Jessep: *You want answers?*
Kaffee: *I want the truth!*
Col. Jessep: *You can't handle the truth!*

Exactly, I have at least one and likely two Sheps who want their Col. Jessep moments, and I know one of them wants her Jessep moments all the way through the game. Too bad it seems that BioWare has decided that this will likely not be.

I may not even get to have neutral dialogue choices very often. And that also too bad because I have at least one Shep who keeps her judgements pretty close to the vest until it's obvious which way she's decided to jump. Neutral fits that best.

[Shadowrun1177]

Like others my excitement for this game has waned some, they had talked about Shepard being on trial for the longest time and now it seems what we see in the demo is what we get and it raises a ton of question about past statements. Like if I remember correctly it was stated at one point by someone at Bioware that ME3 would have something like the Genesis interactive comic but this time around it wouldn't be a interactive comic. Then we also had past statements about the trial from Dev's. After DA2 and what seems to be happening with ME3 when it comes to future Bioware "rpg's" I probably wont preorder them and will wait till after they release and a reviewed.

[Squallypo]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Like others my excitement for this game has waned some, they had talked about Shepard being on trial for the longest time and now it seems what we see in the demo is what we get and it raises a ton of question about past statements. Like if I remember correctly it was stated at one point by someone at Bioware that ME3 would have something like the Genesis interactive comic but this time around it wouldn't be a interactive comic. Then we also had past statements about the trial from Dev's. After DA2 and what seems to be happening with ME3 when it comes to future Bioware "rpg's" I probably wont preorder them and will wait till after they release and a reviewed.

yeah thats pretty much the same for me, i havent even preordered mass effect 3 rofl.. i did with me 1 and 2 but eh.. im still getting it no doubt but that shows how my excitement for mass effect 3 has lowered pretty much. 

[bboynexus]

Mac Walters clearly outlined back in SEPTEMBER that msot of the proceedings would occur prior to ME3. Just becuase you don't see it - or can't partake in most of it - doesn't mean it is insignificant. Significance can be derived in more subtle ways, BSN.

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

 I probably wont preorder them and will wait till after they release and a reviewed.

Yup, put all your faith 'in the system'. Don't think and judge for yourself.

FREE THOUGHT IS DANGEROUS.

Modifié par bboynexus, 13 février 2012 - 05:09 .

[Prom001]

somehow this forum remindes me of a junkie right before he gets his fix.

[Squallypo]

you know , now that i think of it one of the biggest mistakes Bioware has been doing now lately is that they dont really clear things out for me they always leaves us on the limbo.. and for that same reasson people start to wondering/ question, hesitate alot about certain things and of course we from the community became insecurity with the product they gonna deliver to us, also another thing is that Bioware expect from us to blind trust them the whole way without giving Specific information about Basic things from the game in detail, theres no need to spoil the story or what not but i think they could have handled this much better than it has been done, that in my opinion they have done pretty much nothing other than denial, and just iffy us more with their weird responses.

[Shadowrun1177]

bboynexus wrote...

Mac Walters clearly outlined back in SEPTEMBER that msot of the proceedings would occur prior to ME3. Just becuase you don't see it - or can't partake in most of it - doesn't mean it is insignificant. Significance can be derived in more subtle ways, BSN.

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

 I probably wont preorder them and will wait till after they release and a reviewed.

Yup, put all your faith 'in the system'. Don't think and judge for yourself.

FREE THOUGHT IS DANGEROUS.

I don't put all my faith in the system, but I do use reviews as guides for games. I'll read several reviews and take the knownledge gained from them about content and such to help me decide if it's a game I want to play.

[bboynexus]

You have only yourselves to blame for your misconcieved expectations. Really. Mac Walters all but denied the presenc eof a full trial in ME3 back in SEPTEMBER (as I said).

[Prom001]

I guess the fact that everybody has internet now and there is an 24/7 news Circus
has lead to this

"I want all the information all the time"

I mean I remember a time when printed game magazines had all the info.

Then again the industry is supporting this 24/7 news Circus and if they dont play people get angry especially with all those pre order bonus whatnot things.

[izmirtheastarach]

bboynexus wrote...

You have only yourselves to blame for your misconcieved expectations. Really. Mac Walters all but denied the presenc eof a full trial in ME3 back in SEPTEMBER (as I said).

It's not anyone's fault but Bioware's that the allowed a whole bunch of previews to run that made it appear that there would be a trial in the game. Some of them came out after that tweet as well. Also, not everyone can be expected to follow every single tweet from Mac Walters. 

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 13 février 2012 - 05:28 .

[Feanor_II]

From what I've been reading there wasn't any clue about a full trial, just the opposite, "the game begins with a trial when Reapers attack". Summarizes what I've understood from the info.

Yeah, a "Code Red" moment could have been cool, but I think it's better to use that time developing the main plot than a 10-15 min converstion that leads towards the begining of the game with no impact on it.

[bluewolv1970]

maybe if someone had actually taking the time to talk about the story instead of shoving more MP,kinect and combat information down our throats we would know these things...

[izmirtheastarach]

Feanor_II wrote...

From what I've been reading there wasn't any clue about a full trial, just the opposite, "the game begins with a trial when Reapers attack". Summarizes what I've understood from the info.

Yeah, a "Code Red" moment could have been cool, but I think it's better to use that time developing the main plot than a 10-15 min converstion that leads towards the begining of the game with no impact on it.

That's not the issues. In the intro there is literally no mention whatsover of a trial. Also, I read multiple times that the entire reason Shepard was on Earth was because he was on trial. It's just odd that we went from that to the trial being completely ignored.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 13 février 2012 - 05:34 .

[ScorpSt]

I'm not upset that there isn't a trial. Hell, I'm sure there'll be a chance for Shepard to defend his/herself once you get to the Citadel. What I am upset about is anyone trying to say that what we see at the beginning of the game is "the end of the trial of Commander Shepard". It's not a trial. It's a bunch of people wetting their pants because the Reapers are coming. Any trial/hearing/inquiry/inquest looks like it was over and done with some time ago.

[somecthemes]

While I'm personally not thrilled about a trial setting in the game, given the whole "...what if they don't listen? Make them listen." speech, I think whatever procedures that might have been at the beginning will get shuffled and repurposed for our meeting with the council. Granted, that might have originally been planned as 3 pages of dialog may now only be two or three lines with the council, still I'd rather throw my irritations at the council, especially "AirQuotesMcGee", than some Alliance flunky I've never seen in the game before, nor care if they like or hate me..

[izmirtheastarach]

ScorpSt wrote...

I'm not upset that there isn't a trial. Hell, I'm sure there'll be a chance for Shepard to defend his/herself once you get to the Citadel. What I am upset about is anyone trying to say that what we see at the beginning of the game is "the end of the trial of Commander Shepard". It's not a trial. It's a bunch of people wetting their pants because the Reapers are coming. Any trial/hearing/inquiry/inquest looks like it was over and done with some time ago.

And that is where the disconnect is. Chris popped in last night to explicitly state the the game begins with the end of the trial, and said that people who had played the demo could back him up.

Well I've played the demo a half dozen times, on every mode. It just isn't there. Not even a mention.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 13 février 2012 - 05:38 .

[TheRevanchist]

"JRPG's are not real RPG's" -Bioware

"We want CoDs audience" -Bioware

"Whenever you press a button, something awsome has to happen, button = awsome!" -Bioware

Honestly I am not surprised in the slightest. I am exreamly disapointed, it makes Arrival totaly meaningless amoung a great many other things. But this is nothing new at this point, Honestly I would totaly buy a 4 hour trial DLC, but there should be something in the game already. I feel this falls under the fact that they try to make each game in a TRILOGY be able to stand on it's own, which in itself is idiotic. I'ts like Lucas saying "you don't need Episodes IV or V...just watch VI! thats all you need for the whole story!"

I'm sorry but if you make a trilogy I don't think you should be worrying if new players are lost or confused if they jump in late. That is kinda their own fault for not experienceing the TRILOGY from the BEGINNING! For PS3 users at least they got something WITH THE BASE PRODUCT that brought them up to (relative) speed on whats going on. But if you are someone who has avoided ME all this time. Chances are you are not going to give a s*** about this regardless of how much the formula is butchered to accomadate you.

Publishers want EVERY game to make CoD money now...period. They will do w/e it takes to ensure every single game brings in the profits CoD does. They will reduce and or butcher the formula of how genres work in order try and attract the massive horde that is CoD/GoW players. They are a For Profit company first and formost. Everything else is secondary in regards to how things are handled. But since "Corperations are people" now we can't talk smack about them or else we might hurt their feelings. The disconnect is apparent and grows as time passes. Sure Bioware listens from time to time, but with a combination of inconsistent fans and corperate concerns they aren't really going to do all that much, considering corperate concerns are always going to take presidence being a For Profit company.

At the end of the day, I will still play ME3 with an open mind. But I will be expecting the worst product humanly possible so there is no way to be disapointed, only pleasently surprised. Unless this game ends up like The Last Airbender, where i was -still- disgusted despite my extreamly low expectations. I have learned from DA2 and their overall terrible marketing for both that game and this one that Bioware is clearly not going to produce the type of product they use to. Which they are entitled to however I hope they realize people like me (and others I am sure) won't simply follow this new path blindly. This will very likely be my final Bioware product unless this game makes my mind explode from the sheer amount of epicness. By that I don't mean massive "epic" esplosions and pew pews. I mean an epic balanced combination of esplosions, story, dialogue, charaterization and consequences amoung other things that make RPGs what they are that set them -apart- from games like CoD and GoW. I play RPG's because I don't LIKE playing those types of games, on very rare occasions I will play Halo but for the most part since I played Jade Empire and KOTOR I have stuck with RPGs because they gave me the satisfation games like CoD never gave me.

yea yea TL;DR or w/e (still no idea what that means) but eaither read it or don't. Don't waste ppls time by pointing out the obvious. or trolling "blah blah wall o text blah blah". I am not going to go into a mad rage on this issue, am I disapointed? yes absolutely. But I won't get bent out of shape over it because at -this- point...it's too late to change whats there.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Feanor_II wrote...

Kaffee: *I want the truth!*
Col. Jessep: *You can't handle the truth!*