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[Hunter of Legends]

kylecouch wrote...
 I am exreamly disapointed, it makes Arrival totaly meaningless amoung a great many other things.

Why is everyone saying this?

How the hell does a quick and to the point intro (which is longer than any other intro in the series*) destroy what happened at Arhotaht?





*Technically ME1's intro is right before the tital drop. Eden Prime is just the tutorial level...ME3's extended "intro" is FAR longer than ME1's or ME2's.

[Solo_Wing_Fenix]

hope its not been removed my. Shep wants to give those idiots a piece of his mind!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wright1978]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Hey, don't worry people. I'm sure if enough of us ask for it, BioWare will release an optional, paid DLC featuring a more substantial and less rushed intro.

So... for just $10 or so, we can get the introduction the game SHOULD have had from the beginning (no pun intended...)

The intro is fine.

The intro is an utter joke full of auto dialogue.

[incinerator950]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

FSOAH wrote...

The intro is extremely lame. The trial being cut to make space for more pow-pow-pow is ridiculous.

I mean, introducing James Vega like that is so f*cking typical "New Bioware."

No the opening was cut because people demanded shorter opening. Blame "the fans" if you're angry about this.

I thought we were the fans?

We are.

Hahahahaha.

You, it, me, and up over several hundred thousand players who don't actually bother to post on this forum.  Don't forget we're not the only ones who play. 

I never forgot them. I just said we're the fans (which did not exclude anyone, really) and BSN is the place where Bioware takes advice for the game mainly.

Yes, but they take ideas from a lot of other places.  Also, it may be because a lot of people did complain that ME 2's long intro can't be skipped, so they made this one worth playing.

[TK Dude]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Squallypo...

sounds like ff XIII-2 did a better job? ;P omg kill me please im saying ff 13-2 is better fuuuuuuu *goes to a hill and jump off from it*

of course it did. FF XIII-2 storytelling > BW storytelling IMO.

                                            fix'd:whistle:

[Hunter of Legends]

wright1978 wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Hey, don't worry people. I'm sure if enough of us ask for it, BioWare will release an optional, paid DLC featuring a more substantial and less rushed intro.

So... for just $10 or so, we can get the introduction the game SHOULD have had from the beginning (no pun intended...)

The intro is fine.

The intro is an utter joke full of auto dialogue.

THAT is a viable complaint. Go see my thread about autodialogue.

The intro itself is fine.

[CaptainZaysh]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Not necessarily. The trial wouldn't be about the reality of the Reapers--it would be about Shepard trying to justify his actions in essentially killing 300,000+ Batarians, as well as his past alignment with Cerberus. It would've been a captivating way for players to review their past game's actions while showing Shepard in a position of vulnerability, which is INCREDIBLE considering there are so few moments we get in Mass Effect to really flesh out Shepard's character...

A trial scene would be totally superfluous to the plot.  Firstly, there is no need to justify why Shep took such outrageous actions when the answer - The Reapers - literally smash in through the windows in the next scene.  The audience is not retarded.

Secondly, players who have carried out the activities you describe may have their own motivations for their actions that BioWare couldn't capture in three dialogue options.  Both the issues you bring up have been argued in intricate detail over literally hundreds of forum pages.  If BW went the route you're describing I guarantee the whinefest in here OMG BIOWARE MY SHEP WOULD NEVAR SAY THAT would be visible from space.

Thirdly, players who have not played the prior game would have absolutely no idea what the correct answer was to the questions.  "Commander Shepard.  You stand accused of killing ten thousand Yagshoms in the Kazam Subsector.  And you gave the Ring of Jenzara to the Telurbians!  What the hell were you thinking?"

Paragon- "I don't know."
Neutral- "I don't know."
Renegade- "I don't know."

A trial scene is a bad idea for so many reasons.  It would add unnecessary flab right to the top of the story.  It would be immediately invalidated by what came after (the Reaper invasion) anyway, so what's the point of including it?  It would limit the existing fanbase's justification for their most morally complex decisions to one of three one-liner replies, and it would puzzle the hell out of those new to the series.  Any way I game it out in my head, a trial scene is a shockingly bad idea.

[izmirtheastarach]

Yakko77 wrote...

Would I have like to see the trial and choose a response to the charges? Sure. Is it a game breaking thing for me? Having played the demo already all I can say is HE!! NO!!! The intro is freakin' epic IMO!!!!

Not quite as enthusiastic here, but I did enjoy it. I certainly don't think this is game-breaking. And I'm really only interested in the initial topic of the thread, which was the trial. I don't have any other problems with the intro myself. Just wondering where the trial went, that's all.

[daftPirate]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

kylecouch wrote...
 I am exreamly disapointed, it makes Arrival totaly meaningless amoung a great many other things.

Why is everyone saying this?

How the hell does a quick and to the point intro (which is longer than any other intro in the series*) destroy what happened at Arhotaht?


*Technically ME1's intro is right before the tital drop. Eden Prime is just the tutorial level...ME3's extended "intro" is FAR longer than ME1's or ME2's.

Which "extended" intro? The intro in the demo is not longer than ME2's intro, not with the normady destruction, and Lazaraus project.

[Hunter of Legends]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Why is everyone saying this?

How the hell does a quick and to the point intro (which is longer than any other intro in the series*) destroy what happened at Arhotaht?





*Technically ME1's intro is right before the tital drop. Eden Prime is just the tutorial level...ME3's extended "intro" is FAR longer than ME1's or ME2's.

How long is the intro in the demo? i heard seven minutes. It was longer in ME2. You've got the entire Normandy explosion and Shepard getting spaced. That's like ten or fifteen minutes.

It takes me 15 mins to do ME3's...and that with missing content.

ME2's has NO combat, very little dialogue and is quick. ABout 7-8 mins long for me.

[TMJfin]

Squallypo wrote...

TMJfin wrote...

If they release trial as first day dlc costing 10€ I will buy it. That's how much I was waiting for the trial scene. But that's just me. I even bought that comic thingy on Xbox just to try it out xD

wow uh.. why would you pay for something that should have been provided from the beginning like something so obvious as the trial ? i dont know man, seems like you pretty much falling into EA hands so easly. 
they pretty tricky with marketing & costumer brainwash

There is a little bit of sarcasm in there, but not much. And that because I know myself when it comes to Bioware. First I rant, then I calm down but not going to buy it still and sometime in the future I'm going to be like "What the heck, I want that"

[izmirtheastarach]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

It takes me 15 mins to do ME3's...and that with missing content.

ME2's has NO combat, very little dialogue and is quick. ABout 7-8 mins long for me.

Valid, then. Though I doubt there's missing content.

It definately seems like there is.

[incinerator950]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

TK Dude wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

of course it did. FF XIII-2 storytelling > BW storytelling IMO.

                                            fix'd:whistle:

Touche.

But I'm right:devil:

Can't comment, I thought FFXIII was garbage for a port, and that once FF had voice acting, it was over.  

[Squallypo]

and again Bioware is leaving us in this deep Limbo hole with no appearence from them to just clarify some stuff to us and well so we can stop assuming / arguing stuff , i wonder why theres so low interested into talking with the community lately when it comes to stuff like this. they just show up with things they seem interested on.

[TheRevanchist]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

FSOAH wrote...

The intro is extremely lame. The trial being cut to make space for more pow-pow-pow is ridiculous.

I mean, introducing James Vega like that is so f*cking typical "New Bioware."

No the opening was cut because people demanded shorter opening. Blame "the fans" if you're angry about this.

I thought we were the fans?

We are.

Hahahahaha.

You, it, me, and up over several hundred thousand players who don't actually bother to post on this forum.  Don't forget we're not the only ones who play. 

I never forgot them. I just said we're the fans (which did not exclude anyone, really) and BSN is the place where Bioware takes advice for the game mainly.

you would be surprised...considering how inconsistent this forum is on a regular basis i suspect they dont much listen to us at all.Hell I bet the only reason they listend to us about Deception is because we actually managed to get other major sites to broadcast the fact how crappy it is. Sites that the actual majority of people that would care visit as oppsed to a social forum filled with people who can never agree on any damn thing aside from that one shining moment

[JeffZero]

Omg. XIII-2 over BW... Ouch. My. Brain. Sorry. Just ouch.

[Mclouvins]

JeffZero wrote...

Omg. XIII-2 over BW... Ouch. My. Brain. Sorry. Just ouch.

To be continued...

[Hunter of Legends]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Omg. XIII-2 over BW... Ouch. My. Brain. Sorry. Just ouch.

It all depends on what you like, Jeff. if you're there for story, heavy story, then FF XIII-2 is the way to go.

Don't get me wrong, I hated the ending (and I hate my profile pic, too) but it's still better than what BW has. You can't tell as effective a story with blank characters as with defined ones, that's fact.

As far as I'm concerned all FF after 7 are trash.

[JukeFrog]

Meh, I could care less about the non-existent trial, I already know what my Shepard has done. At least now I can get to the meat of the game faster.

[JeffZero]

I understand that, EA. I am indeed there for the heavy story though, and while I respect your beliefs, I just can't fathom the preference, personally. There are just... Limits. That's all.

[Mclouvins]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Omg. XIII-2 over BW... Ouch. My. Brain. Sorry. Just ouch.

It all depends on what you like, Jeff. if you're there for story, heavy story, then FF XIII-2 is the way to go.

Don't get me wrong, I hated the ending (and I hate my profile pic, too) but it's still better than what BW has. You can't tell as effective a story with blank characters as with defined ones, that's fact.

Of course but that's the trade off, linear games can have great stories and character development in a way non-linear rpgs just can't. Somebody was griping about BW romances the other day and contrasting them to Drake and Elena from Uncharted which just isn't fair to do.