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izmirtheastarach wrote...

Why would anyone be disappointed by the fact that something they promoted as being in the game is not in fact in the game at all? It's seems like this is pretty easy to understand.


Did they ever actually promote it?  Or was it something which the press mentioned and the forums ran with.

(They probably could have been better at squashing expectations though.)

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BlueDemonX wrote...

Srefanius wrote...

https://twitter.com/...146460334596096
@bluedemonx The dialogue options you play through in the demo will be expanded in the game.


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@BlueDemonX You choose your lines like in every other Mass Effect game. The game is about choices

So, there you have it, guys! Stop whining and wait for the damn game. THEN you can whine!


Posting for you guys to see.

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Not when they act like Bioware just shot their mother and blew up their house.


Okay. Well why don't you keep that kind of label for really specific people. I dislike the vitriol as much as you do, but you seem to do everything you can to contribute to it.

I'm very happy with the demo. I enjoyed it. The intro was perfectly logical to me. My only issue is that I was looking forward to the trial that was promoted in the middle of least year. Is that okay? I know you don't care about it, but I do.

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Wulfram wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Why would anyone be disappointed by the fact that something they promoted as being in the game is not in fact in the game at all? It's seems like this is pretty easy to understand.


Did they ever actually promote it?  Or was it something which the press mentioned and the forums ran with.

(They probably could have been better at squashing expectations though.)


Apparently they showed a demo containing a trial to multiple press outlets. The last part of what you said is correct. That's all this is. It doesn't make the game bad. They just hyped up something that didn't make it into the game. It happens.

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izmirtheastarach wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Not when they act like Bioware just shot their mother and blew up their house.


Okay. Well why don't you keep that kind of label for really specific people. I dislike the vitriol as much as you do, but you seem to do everything you can to contribute to it.


Because the screaming minority is acting like this game is the worst trash to ever be made.

It hurts my mind and my eyes/ears.

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Hunter of Legends wrote...

Because the screaming minority is acting like this game is the worst trash to ever be made.

It hurts my mind and my eyes/ears.


I find ignoring them is best. You're the one who continues to engage with them. You fuel their fire. I would rather just skip their posts and only engage the rational people.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 13 février 2012 - 08:10 .


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CaptainZaysh wrote...

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I don't know, I would have liked to see a brief (3-5 minute) snippet of the trial, just to give context to the following scenes on Earth. There could have been some exposition of the past two games and why Shepard is on trial (for the new players and those who didn't play Arrival). They could have introduced Vega and maybe have Anderson rail against the tribunal (give new players a reason to like him, and also to hear Keith David chew up the scenery). And it could have been capped off with the tribunal stripping Shepard of his/her rank and being grounded, with one of the tribunal members tearing Shepard's officer pins from his/her vest.

Then BLAM!, Mass Effect 3 logo!


Then BLAM!  The Reapers invade!  And everybody thinks, hmm, that trial scene was kinda pointless.


Pointless for people who played ME1 and ME2 certainly.

But I think it would add some necessary context and exposition for the new players. And they could let us talk to Vega when we first met him, maybe to learn a bit about what's been going on. With Ashley on Eden Prime we got to talk a little bit, even though we were in a combat zone.

Of course I haven't played the final game yet, so maybe we do get more info and dialogue than was given in the demo. It's not a very big deal, but you do get thrown into the **** pretty quick.

Modifié par Xerxes52, 13 février 2012 - 08:21 .


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Hunter of Legends wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Not when they act like Bioware just shot their mother and blew up their house.


Okay. Well why don't you keep that kind of label for really specific people. I dislike the vitriol as much as you do, but you seem to do everything you can to contribute to it.


Because the screaming minority is acting like this game is the worst trash to ever be made.

It hurts my mind and my eyes/ears.


If this thread is anything to go by the minority would be the other way around. You cannot speak for those who are not here so you have no right to say they agree with you or against you, you only have the people here and the people here out number your views rather than side with them. No one in here is saying the game is trash and you resorting to hyperbole and fallacy just makes you look bad. They are saying this aspect of the game has either greatly or moderately disappointed them.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 février 2012 - 08:36 .


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Dragoonlordz wrote...

If this thread is anything to go by the minority would be the other way around. You cannot speak for those who are not here so you have no right to say they agree with you or against you, you only have the people here and the people here out number your views rather than side with them. NO one in here is saying the game is trash and you resorting to hyperbole and fallacy just makes you look bad.


Yeah. Some poeple are just mildy disappointed and will enjoy the game regardless. I fit in this category. Some people think this means that game will be crap. But regardless of which camp people are in, the general feeling here is that people are disappointed.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 13 février 2012 - 08:42 .


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I'm not by any means a new player(6 Shepards and counting) and I wanted a trial. Especially since BW didn't even let me explore any alternatives in Arrival.

So you don't speak for all of us.

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This court is in recess......while we run for our fraking lives!!

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izmirtheastarach wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If this thread is anything to go by the minority would be the other way around. You cannot speak for those who are not here so you have no right to say they agree with you or against you, you only have the people here and the people here out number your views rather than side with them. NO one in here is saying the game is trash and you resorting to hyperbole and fallacy just makes you look bad.


Yeah. Some poeple jare ust mildy disappointed and will enjoy the game regardless. I fit in this category. Some people think this means that game will be crap. But regardless of which camp people are in, the general feeling here is that people are disappointed.


To me the heavy handed approach to auto dialogue (shown in the demo which could be prelude to how heavy it's use through the entire game might be and all we have to go on) has mildly disappointed me where they replace my persona created for my Shepard over past two titles with canon version using auto dialogue for their version of Shepard, the removal and/or lack of trial where can defend yourself and your actions including maybe having members of your surviving crew coming in to give evidence is a great disappointment to me. It was one of the things I was looking forward to the most for the "start" of the game.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 février 2012 - 08:43 .


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Dragoonlordz wrote...

To me the heavy handed approach to auto dialogue (shown in the demo which could be prelude to how heavy it's use through the entire game might be and all we have to go on) has mildly disappointed me where they eplace my persona created for my Shepard over past two titles with canon version using auto dialogue for their version of Shepard, the removal and/or lack of trial where can defend yourself and your actions including maybe having members of your surviving crew coming in to give evidence is a great disappointment to me. It was one of the things I was looking forward to the most for the "start" of the game.


I'm still not 100% on whether those are the only dialogue options in that part of the full game. If they are though, it makes me recall ME2, where in the prologue there are literally two dialogue choices as well. If there are only going to be two, there might as well be none.

I certainly hope there are more options in the rest of the game though.

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izmirtheastarach wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

To me the heavy handed approach to auto dialogue (shown in the demo which could be prelude to how heavy it's use through the entire game might be and all we have to go on) has mildly disappointed me where they eplace my persona created for my Shepard over past two titles with canon version using auto dialogue for their version of Shepard, the removal and/or lack of trial where can defend yourself and your actions including maybe having members of your surviving crew coming in to give evidence is a great disappointment to me. It was one of the things I was looking forward to the most for the "start" of the game.


I'm still not 100% on whether those are the only dialogue options in that part of the full game. If they are though, it makes me recall ME2, where in the prologue there are literally two dialogue choices as well. If there are only going to be two, there might as well be none.

I certainly hope there are more options in the rest of the game though.


I dunno, but Mac Walters already said in a tweet that some are 2 choices but his team mostly tries to do the traditional three choices most of the time.

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izmirtheastarach wrote...

I'm still not 100% on whether those are the only dialogue options in that part of the full game. If they are though, it makes me recall ME2, where in the prologue there are literally two dialogue choices as well. If there are only going to be two, there might as well be none.

I certainly hope there are more options in the rest of the game though.


https://twitter.com/...6096@bluedemonx The dialogue options you play through in the demo will be expanded in the game.

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Almostfaceman wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I'm still not 100% on whether those are the only dialogue options in that part of the full game. If they are though, it makes me recall ME2, where in the prologue there are literally two dialogue choices as well. If there are only going to be two, there might as well be none.

I certainly hope there are more options in the rest of the game though.


https://twitter.com/...6096@bluedemonx The dialogue options you play through in the demo will be expanded in the game.


That's reassuring.

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Almostfaceman wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I'm still not 100% on whether those are the only dialogue options in that part of the full game. If they are though, it makes me recall ME2, where in the prologue there are literally two dialogue choices as well. If there are only going to be two, there might as well be none.

I certainly hope there are more options in the rest of the game though.


https://twitter.com/...6096@bluedemonx The dialogue options you play through in the demo will be expanded in the game.


I got that, yeah. However, I was told last night that the end of the trial was in the demo, and it isn't. I will have to see the game before I believe this.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 13 février 2012 - 09:00 .


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Dragoonlordz wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Not when they act like Bioware just shot their mother and blew up their house.


Okay. Well why don't you keep that kind of label for really specific people. I dislike the vitriol as much as you do, but you seem to do everything you can to contribute to it.


Because the screaming minority is acting like this game is the worst trash to ever be made.

It hurts my mind and my eyes/ears.


If this thread is anything to go by the minority would be the other way around. You cannot speak for those who are not here so you have no right to say they agree with you or against you, you only have the people here and the people here out number your views rather than side with them. No one in here is saying the game is trash and you resorting to hyperbole and fallacy just makes you look bad. They are saying this aspect of the game has either greatly or moderately disappointed them.


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izmirtheastarach wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I'm still not 100% on whether those are the only dialogue options in that part of the full game. If they are though, it makes me recall ME2, where in the prologue there are literally two dialogue choices as well. If there are only going to be two, there might as well be none.

I certainly hope there are more options in the rest of the game though.


https://twitter.com/...6096@bluedemonx The dialogue options you play through in the demo will be expanded in the game.


I got that, yeah. However, I was told last night that the end of the trial was in the demo, and it isn't. I will have to see the game before I believe this.


in fact...according to Anderson...there never WAS a trial of any kind to begin with.

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The Mass Effect 3 trial is like the Sacred Ashes Trailer for Dragon Age.

http://tvtropes.org/...erTrustATrailer

This is one trope that I hate.

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in fact...according to Anderson...there never WAS a trial of any kind to begin with.


Yeah, I've pointed that out a couple of times. "If you were any other soldier, you could have been tried, court-martialed, and discharged". So...I wasn't tried? This is why I'm having trouble believing what I'm being told. Because I was told the end of the trial is in the demo, but then the demo is telling me there was no trial.

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izmirtheastarach wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

in fact...according to Anderson...there never WAS a trial of any kind to begin with.


Yeah, I've pointed that out a couple of times. "If you were any other soldier, you could have been tried, court-martialed, and discharged". So...I wasn't tried? This is why I'm having trouble believing what I'm being told. Because I was told the end of the trial is in the demo, but then the demo is telling me there was no trial.


Yea...guess Hackett had no idea what he was talking about...



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Chris Priestly wrote...

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Then you're the kind of customer EA wants. No sense bogging players down with plot and character development when there are things to kill!

(Sorry I couldn't help it, I'm disappoineted at the opening- it's another bit of railroading and cut corners)


Ok, I know I'm a tool of the Man and all, but how so?

If you are a new player (haven't played ME1 or ME2) you learn who Shepard is, why he's on earth, what the Reaper threat is, and then the story begins.

If you are a continuing player (have played either or both of the previous games) you already know the plot and character development because you helped form it with your previous play throughs and the story picks up after ME2.

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?



:devil:


The trial, itself, does not happen.  I've played the demo, sir, and there is no trial.  You asre not asked "how do we stop (insert threat here)," and that's it, in a trial.  Your actions are brought forth, and your guilt or innocence is gauged.  THAT TRIAL, in the literal sense, does not occur.  Despite what previous reports claimed.

I personally have no worries, either way.  I know what occured, and I can fill in the blanks.  I admit disappointment, but I'm not really that upset.  That said, I can understand others. :wizard:

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izmirtheastarach wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

in fact...according to Anderson...there never WAS a trial of any kind to begin with.


Yeah, I've pointed that out a couple of times. "If you were any other soldier, you could have been tried, court-martialed, and discharged". So...I wasn't tried? This is why I'm having trouble believing what I'm being told. Because I was told the end of the trial is in the demo, but then the demo is telling me there was no trial.


I interpreted this to mean that the trial never actually came off -- if charges are filed but then dropped, have you been "tried"?

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I've only read the first 20 pages...

uh...:mellow::?:unsure::crying::crying::crying:

sooo...the walk down the hall? that's how it begins? that's the "trial"? Cuz once he gets to the defense comm., they're just asking abt. the reapers.

oh.

I woulda liked to have at least seen Shepard's face when they told him they were taking his ship and stripping him of his command....

i should go.

edit: and no there never was a "trial". But there was a hearing/investigation.

Idk, just...so much more coulda been done w/it.  *sighs* alright. wateva

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