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[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

It is because at least we know something came out of Arrival, even if we didn't get to see it.  Shepard's been beached and appears to be in some kind of protective custody, even if no formal court martial took place.  No, it's not ideal that we don't get to see what happened, I for one would have enjoyed at least observing a hearing take place.  But it sure beats dropping a plot-hammer, bolt-from-the-blue reset button 

Does it? At least with ME2's opening, Shepard has no idea what's happened in the two years he's been gone; this is reflected in the player, so it's the game's job to explain the current state of the galaxy. This happens through conversations with Jacob and the Illusive Man. I can't say the same for ME3. If Arrival and its consequences were supposed to be a big deal, the game should have let me see it take place, as it was implied and sets the tone for when the Reapers finally arrive.

ME3 better have one hell of an opening crawl.

[TheRevanchist]

Exactly...and just as a said earlier on this page...the fact that we have to basiclly invent our own conclusions means that Bioware failed their job as the author.

[izmirtheastarach]

Il Divo wrote...
ME3 better have one hell of an opening crawl.

I doesn't.

[Squallypo]

kylecouch wrote...

Exactly...and just as a said earlier on this page...the fact that we have to basiclly invent our own conclusions means that Bioware failed their job as the author.

and that they have failed even more for not bothering to let us know how things really are, we not asking for specific plot lines but i mean seriously... this has gone overboard. nothing makes sense 

[Fugiz]

iakus wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Does it? Apparently my Shepard has been out of my sight for 6 months, and doing all kinds of things. How can that be? I control Shepard. At least when he was dead I didn't miss anything.

It is because at least we know something came out of Arrival, even if we didn't get to see it.  Shepard's been beached and appears to be in some kind of protective custody, even if no formal court martial took place.  No, it's not ideal that we don't get to see what happened, I for one would have enjoyed at least observing a hearing take place.  But it sure beats dropping a plot-hammer, bolt-from-the-blue reset button 

And what about the VS, Ashley in my case, seems to be coming from a commitee hearing where she has just testified. If the trial is over why are they still hearing testimony?

PS. Did anyone notice the dialog change on Sur'Kesh when talking to the female Krogan for the first time? In two playthrus Ive had sets of dialog. wierd.

[TheRevanchist]

We better see something like this.

[Omilophile]

mrbauxjangles wrote...
if i wanna see a half a** story and explosions ill play BF3.

HEY. NO.

[JSwisha]

Squallypo wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Exactly...and just as a said earlier on this page...the fact that we have to basiclly invent our own conclusions means that Bioware failed their job as the author.

and that they have failed even more for not bothering to let us know how things really are, we not asking for specific plot lines but i mean seriously... this has gone overboard. nothing makes sense 

As long as it makes dollars, it doesn't have to make sense, right?

[Squallypo]

JSwisha wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Exactly...and just as a said earlier on this page...the fact that we have to basiclly invent our own conclusions means that Bioware failed their job as the author.

and that they have failed even more for not bothering to let us know how things really are, we not asking for specific plot lines but i mean seriously... this has gone overboard. nothing makes sense 

As long as it makes dollars, it doesn't have to make sense, right?

sigh.. yeah  but its so bad played for us  this is probably the last game i get from bioware i dont like how things has been handled for some time already, and it all started since they *joined* EA.  
which is a shame ive always supported bioware they practically were my fav game developers ever. now i has none

[AK47 Total WAR]

Fugiz wrote...
PS. Did anyone notice the dialog change on Sur'Kesh when talking to the female Krogan for the first time? In two playthrus Ive had sets of dialog. wierd.

I actually didn't notice that.  Could you give an example?

[Loup Blanc]

What happened to the trial? Simple. It was cut off. Removed.

Wanna know why? It isn't easy to figure out once you acknowledge what kind of mentality Bioware has slipped into. A trial is a slow beginning. Questions, story development, you gotta pay attention, you know... they probably felt it was too slow a beginning for their new target audience. They can put up with 2 minutes of cutscene before **** goes boom. But a 5-10 minutes Q/A between Shepard and a martial court? No way. They would probably dropped their pad... complain WTF is this ****, turn off their console and put up the latest CoD. Bioware must have shat their pants that it would go against casualizing the Mass Effect experience... which seems to have been their main intent since day 1. Just saying...

I have the strong feeling this is the last Bioware game I will ever buy.

Modifié par JL81, 13 février 2012 - 11:12 .

[izmirtheastarach]

kylecouch wrote...

We better see something like this.

The crawl is in the demo. It doesn't tell you anything. And if the beggining of the game is the same as the demo, as we've been told, then that's all there is.

[Guns_of_Freedom]

JL81 wrote...

What happened to the trial? Simple. It was cut off. Removed.

Wanna know why? It isn't easy to figure out once you acknowledge what kind of mentality Bioware has slipped into. A trial is a slow beginning. Questions, story development, you gotta pay attention, you know... they probably felt it was too slow a beginning for their new target audience. They can put up with 2 minutes of cutscene before **** goes boom. But a 5-10 minutes Q/A between Shepard and a martial court? No way. They would probably dropped their pad... complain WTF is this ****, turn off their console and put up the latest CoD. Bioware must have shat their pants that it would go against casualizing the Mass Effect experience... which seems to have been their main intent since day 1. Just saying...

I have the strong feeling this is the last Bioware game I will ever buy.

This is mellow dramatic at all :innocent::innocent:

[TheRevanchist]

JSwisha wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Exactly...and just as a said earlier on this page...the fact that we have to basiclly invent our own conclusions means that Bioware failed their job as the author.

and that they have failed even more for not bothering to let us know how things really are, we not asking for specific plot lines but i mean seriously... this has gone overboard. nothing makes sense 

As long as it makes dollars, it doesn't have to make sense, right?

Apparently not...

I re-draw attention to this as an example of what Bioware has done with this.

[TMA LIVE]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

We better see something like this.

The crawl is in the demo. It doesn't tell you anything. And if the beggining of the game is the same as the demo, as we've been told, then that's all there is.

Though the text crawl might be different for importers. Similar to the difference between the Genesis crawl, and the import crawl.

[Iakus]

Il Divo wrote...

Does it? At least with ME2's opening, Shepard has no idea what's happened in the two years he's been gone; this is reflected in the player, so it's the game's job to explain the current state of the galaxy. This happens through conversations with Jacob and the Illusive Man. I can't say the same for ME3. If Arrival and its consequences were supposed to be a big deal, the game should have let me see it take place, as it was implied and sets the tone for when the Reapers finally arrive.

ME3 better have one hell of an opening crawl.

It does, because Shepard appears to be suffering the consequences that one can logically deduce came from the events of Arrival.  Hackett made it clear there would be fallout from it, even if the evidence is shoddy.  In this opening, we see the consequences of that fallout.  All we missed was the actual hearing or whatever.  Yes, I'd like to have seen the process in action, but what we've been shown is not a huge logical leap.

1)Hackett warned there's be repurcussions for the destruction of the Alpha Realy
2t)rial we don't get to see
3) Shepard is beached

logcial chain of events we can logically figure out without having to see it (though it would be better if we could

ME2's death and ressurection was so far beyond illogical you can't even see it from here.

1)Shepard dies 
2)Space magic which gets no explanation is deployed
3)Shepard the cyborg zombie reports for duty

If Shepard going on trial was a "big deal" how about coming back from the dead?

THis is why to me ME3's intro is but an annoyance compared to what we've already seen in the series

[Squallypo]

kylecouch wrote...

JSwisha wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Exactly...and just as a said earlier on this page...the fact that we have to basiclly invent our own conclusions means that Bioware failed their job as the author.

and that they have failed even more for not bothering to let us know how things really are, we not asking for specific plot lines but i mean seriously... this has gone overboard. nothing makes sense 

As long as it makes dollars, it doesn't have to make sense, right?

Apparently not...

I re-draw attention to this as an example of what Bioware has done with this.

sadly on star wars saga you practically has to read the books if you want to understand so much stuff from it, its a big and very complex universe so its not like people will get to see everything threw a movie. 
it would require alot of movies for that to happen but i see what you mean here

[izmirtheastarach]

iakus wrote...
If Shepard going on trial was a "big deal" how about coming back from the dead?

THis is why to me ME3's intro is but an annoyance compared to what we've already seen in the series

You're kind of going in circles here. And I hope you understand the reason people are annoyed is because control was taken from them, and we really still don't know what exactly happened to Shep between Arrival and ME3. Shepard knows, but we don't. It's very RPG-lite.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 13 février 2012 - 11:26 .

[Aaleel]

I don't think the trial has even happened yet. It seems more like Shepard is grounded awaiting trial. Anderson tells Shepard don't worry we'll get it all sorted out, and he tells Shepard anyone elsewould have been tried, court-martialed and discharged.

Plus if a trial had already happened, Shepard would either be cleared of all charges and back to duty or in jail for killing 300,000 Batarians.

[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

It does, because Shepard appears to be suffering the consequences that one can logically deduce came from the events of Arrival.  Hackett made it clear there would be fallout from it, even if the evidence is shoddy.  In this opening, we see the consequences of that fallout.  All we missed was the actual hearing or whatever.  Yes, I'd like to have seen the process in action, but what we've been shown is not a huge logical leap.

1)Hackett warned there's be repurcussions for the destruction of the Alpha Realy
2t)rial we don't get to see where Shepard defends himself.
3) Shepard is beached

That, for me, is the key distinction. Arrival, and ME2/Reapers in general, are why I'm on trial in the first place. That's where I was given the opportunity to more fully review my past actions, to argue for why everything in the past two games happened, and my Shepard's reasoning. Skipping past all that, which includes role-playing opportunities as well as establishing the setting, is a far bigger offense, imo. What did my Shepard say when they asked him about the Batarians? About the Reapers? Cerberus? I have no idea, yet this is intended as my character.

If the goal was to get Shepard back on Earth, there were far easier methods of doing so without the the issues the Arrival dlc created, no trial necessary. It could have been as simple as my Shepard has Hackett arrange a meeting with the Alliance to force them to speak with him. The ME2 transition is more easily understood because ME1 did not leave a single narrative thread for us to explore. Beyond "Reapers", I doubt anyone could have told me where ME2 would have gone, based on ME1's story. The same can't be said for the Arrival-ME3 transition, which left a clear source of drama and conflict for the player to explore.  

Modifié par Il Divo, 13 février 2012 - 11:29 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Aaleel wrote...

anyone elsewould have been tried, court-martialed and discharged.

Meaning you were not, and will not be. There is not trial, and no mention of a trial. Shepard just wants to know when he will be put back on active duty.

[Aaleel]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

anyone elsewould have been tried, court-martialed and discharged.

Meaning you were not, and will not be. There is not trial, and no mention of a trial. Shepard just wants to know when he will be put back on active duty.

That's what I said.  People are acting like the trial got skipped, but I'm saying there hasn't been a trial at all. 

Also, Vega is Shepard's personal guard, so Shepard is still in some type of custody. 

[Squallypo]

theres something i wonder, how many disk is this gonna be for x360 version ? i ask since me 2 was two dvd disk

[Comsky159]

What kind of legal system is this anyway, where Shepard just gets an all expenses paid holiday in response to an act of genocide? He wasn't even court-martialed from the military. After killing a few hundred thousand civilians he's prevented from shooting **** up for a few months.

Seems more than a little odd.

Modifié par Comsky159, 13 février 2012 - 11:35 .

[TheRevanchist]

Aaleel wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

anyone elsewould have been tried, court-martialed and discharged.

Meaning you were not, and will not be. There is not trial, and no mention of a trial. Shepard just wants to know when he will be put back on active duty.

That's what I said.  People are acting like the trial got skipped, but I'm saying there hasn't been a trial at all. 

Also, Vega is Shepard's personal guard, so Shepard is still in some type of custody. 

The trial WAS skipped BECAUSE it didn't happen. Anything relating to one is talked about in a past tense...meaning it has already happend.