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[Weskerr]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I'm glad it's gone - it would only have served to give the game a stuttering start (like Skyrim) and be a info dump for new players, For once Bioware said "F*** the new players lets just get the ball rolling".

Also I'm pretty sure the question of what Shep was doing on Earth will be brought up when you have boarded the Normandy.

Umm...you have that backwards. BioWare said **** the old players lets just get the ball rolling. In any case, the opening is poorly done whichever way you look at it.

Umm.. no - Old players know what Shep has done and why the alliance would bring him/her in and also why the alliance demoted Shep, Everything brought up at the "trial" would just be repetition of things that already happened and while this might be interesting to somebody who just bought his/her first ME game it wouldn't really serve any purpose other than being a info dump.

The semantics of the "trial" can be solved with Joker asking : "hey commander how was it to stand before a tribunal?" and then add appropriate dialogue options to Shep.

Right, so Old players would want the new Mass Effect 3 game to show all of that in some way, and not just talk about it or assume it happened. Right now, there is no connection between the events of the last game and the beginning of the new game. No trial, no discourse, no exposition - nothing.

[twisty77]

Man I was really looking forward to a trial. I was kinda hoping that Shep would be in the middle of explaining his/her actions in Arrival and the Reapers would then blow the roof off the joint and say "Surprize!!!"

Modifié par twisty77, 12 février 2012 - 10:04 .

[Anacronian Stryx]

Weskerr wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I'm glad it's gone - it would only have served to give the game a stuttering start (like Skyrim) and be a info dump for new players, For once Bioware said "F*** the new players lets just get the ball rolling".

Also I'm pretty sure the question of what Shep was doing on Earth will be brought up when you have boarded the Normandy.

Umm...you have that backwards. BioWare said **** the old players lets just get the ball rolling. In any case, the opening is poorly done whichever way you look at it.

Umm.. no - Old players know what Shep has done and why the alliance would bring him/her in and also why the alliance demoted Shep, Everything brought up at the "trial" would just be repetition of things that already happened and while this might be interesting to somebody who just bought his/her first ME game it wouldn't really serve any purpose other than being a info dump.

The semantics of the "trial" can be solved with Joker asking : "hey commander how was it to stand before a tribunal?" and then add appropriate dialogue options to Shep.

Right, so Old players would want the new Mass Effect 3 game to show all of that in some way, and not just talk about it or assume it happened. Right now, there is no connection between the events of the last game and the beginning of the new game. No trial, no discourse, no exposition - nothing.

Yes the game completely stops once you board the Normandy there is no way that the exposition can come at a later moment, it's not like having this kind of opening is a well used story telling tool and... forget it never mind I'm to tired and care to little to debate this.

[Chino 281]

*Possible spoilers?* I do not believe that the demo starts from the very beginning to tell you the truth. No one is introducing theirselves with something like, "It's good to see you, Shepard" (Suggesting they have already seen each other earlier) and it never hints at how or when you got grounded and had the Normandy taken as Anderson states. I think it comes in about 10 minutes into gameplay, after the trial.

[N00blet666]

Wait a minute aren't the demo were getting on the 14th and leaked beta almost exactly the same? Maybe the demo is just a tweaked version of the leak, and I think the leak was the same demo they used for E3. So, therefore the full game may include a longer intro than both the leak and the demo.

[ratzerman]

New players won't care about a trial, thus it's eliminated.

[WizenSlinky0]

The alliance decided to do the trial in absentia in fear that the sheer badassery of [Name] "Reaper Killer" Shepard would destroy their pencil pushing ego's.

[Good Chaos7]

staindgrey wrote...

We all need to remember that this is a demo, with things cut and pasted to fit. Just look at the differences in dialogue between the three versions already available; clearly they can toy with things.

It's very likely that what we're playing has been slimmed down quite a bit, with excess fat for story taken off for the sake of getting to the point. Not everyone playing this demo is an avid ME fan who wants to see trial proceedings. A demo has a very slim opportunity to convert potential buyers.

That said, if "most of" the trial has been cut down to only a reference, I'm going to be upset. I wanted a real question and answer trial using the dialogue wheel.

Well that's just it!  We all don't know for certain..  I'm pretty sure everyone here hopes you're right.. That the demo was just slimmed down.. & that we will get the trial in the game, also hopefully Bioiware will see this thread & know we really wanted the trial & don't see it as some Extra Fat to be slimmed away..  

Besides all the more to Wuv!!

Modifié par Good Chaos7, 12 février 2012 - 10:13 .

[PlumPaul93]

ratzerman wrote...

New players won't care about a trial, thus it's eliminated.

This.

[WizenSlinky0]

If the trial does exist it would not be in the demo, regardless. It just doesn't seem like something that would be in a demo.

[N00blet666]

Or somebody could come in here for a second and just confirm or deny it right now.

[Weskerr]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I'm glad it's gone - it would only have served to give the game a stuttering start (like Skyrim) and be a info dump for new players, For once Bioware said "F*** the new players lets just get the ball rolling".

Also I'm pretty sure the question of what Shep was doing on Earth will be brought up when you have boarded the Normandy.

Umm...you have that backwards. BioWare said **** the old players lets just get the ball rolling. In any case, the opening is poorly done whichever way you look at it.

Umm.. no - Old players know what Shep has done and why the alliance would bring him/her in and also why the alliance demoted Shep, Everything brought up at the "trial" would just be repetition of things that already happened and while this might be interesting to somebody who just bought his/her first ME game it wouldn't really serve any purpose other than being a info dump.

The semantics of the "trial" can be solved with Joker asking : "hey commander how was it to stand before a tribunal?" and then add appropriate dialogue options to Shep.

Right, so Old players would want the new Mass Effect 3 game to show all of that in some way, and not just talk about it or assume it happened. Right now, there is no connection between the events of the last game and the beginning of the new game. No trial, no discourse, no exposition - nothing.

Yes the game completely stops once you board the Normandy there is no way that the exposition can come at a later moment, it's not like having this kind of opening is a well used story telling tool and... forget it never mind I'm to tired and care to little to debate this.

Sure it can come right after you board the Normandy, bu the fact is (if scenes weren't cut from the intro in the demo), the Earth introduction lacks tension, does not build up the drama, and is rushed and uninspiring. Nothing can fix that part of the game (again, unless parts of the introduction were cut out from the demo).

[staindgrey]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I wondering if there was even a trial at all.

Anderson says anyone else would have been tried, court martialed and discharged, but your knowledge of the reapers was the only thing that stopped it from happening to you.'

It sounds like you just got grounded and relieved of command.

I noticed this as well, good find.

"The **** you've done" is likely referring to ME2 as a whole. Shepard worked with Cerberus. Regardless of Arrival happening, she'd be put on trial, court-martialed and discharged simply for working with what the Alliance labels a terrorist organization. It would be like a United States soldier working for Al-Queda for a short while then coming back.

The events of Arrival would take something else entirely. This isn't just the Alliance; this is the entire Batarian government. There's no way in the universe that Shepard could just be grounded and relieved of command to make that problem go away. There has to be a trial of some sort for that large of a loss of life for any race, let alone one that dislikes humanity to begin with.

[Coreniro]

What are you expecting from the intro? I'm reading a lot of "where's the trial?" but nobody here is bringing alternative ideas forward.
What do you want? Do you want Mass Effect to become "In the Name of the Father", all of a sudden? I mean, having Daniel Day Lewis as an alternate Shepard would be nice, he's an incredible actor, but Mass Effect has always focused on other things. Besides, since when have trials become this interesting?

[WizenSlinky0]

staindgrey wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I wondering if there was even a trial at all.

Anderson says anyone else would have been tried, court martialed and discharged, but your knowledge of the reapers was the only thing that stopped it from happening to you.'

It sounds like you just got grounded and relieved of command.

I noticed this as well, good find.

"The **** you've done" is likely referring to ME2 as a whole. Shepard worked with Cerberus. Regardless of Arrival happening, she'd be put on trial, court-martialed and discharged simply for working with what the Alliance labels a terrorist organization. It would be like a United States soldier working for Al-Queda for a short while then coming back.

The events of Arrival would take something else entirely. This isn't just the Alliance; this is the entire Batarian government. There's no way in the universe that Shepard could just be grounded and relieved of command to make that problem go away. There has to be a trial of some sort for that large of a loss of life for any race, let alone one that dislikes humanity to begin with.

They don't have to worry about the problem going away. All the batarians are too busy screaming for their lives.

[Gorosaur]

This, and the large amount of automatic dialogue, is actually among one of the few issues that generally bothers me.

The current opening contains some of the most awkwardly handled scenes in the entire series. Essentially, Shepard is on Earth with no explanation for being there and it relies on the general idea that one played all the DLC's and followed all of the pregame press. I know alot of fellow gamers are going to be left in the cold and genuinely confused as to what's going on. Not only that but we have Vega thrown on us, again with no explanation outside of one having read the pregame press.

What really bothers me though is how utterly stupid it is that the Reapers just happen to show up at the very beginning of the game. It feels really rushed and contrived. I'm not opposed to an early game appearance or even invasion of Earth, but the way it currently plays out feels so bizarrely artificial and overly convenient for the sake of the game.

Now, despite its flaws, ME2's opening handled this alot better. Although there was a slam bang opening that introduced one to the plot, we were given it in a familiar area and weren't left to wonder why Shepard was there or what he was doing. In general, it made sense.

I still have a lot of hope for this game, but if this opening is indicative of what we are to see for the rest of experience I will be very disappointed.

Modifié par Gorosaur, 12 février 2012 - 10:24 .

[N00blet666]

I am shocked that a dev hasn't posted anything in here yet.

[Weskerr]

N00blet666 wrote...

I am shocked that a dev hasn't posted anything in here yet.

It's Sunday, so they're not working. Or, player's fears are true and what we saw in the demo is what we'll get in the game.

[Aaleel]

staindgrey wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I wondering if there was even a trial at all.

Anderson says anyone else would have been tried, court martialed and discharged, but your knowledge of the reapers was the only thing that stopped it from happening to you.'

It sounds like you just got grounded and relieved of command.

I noticed this as well, good find.

"The **** you've done" is likely referring to ME2 as a whole. Shepard worked with Cerberus. Regardless of Arrival happening, she'd be put on trial, court-martialed and discharged simply for working with what the Alliance labels a terrorist organization. It would be like a United States soldier working for Al-Queda for a short while then coming back.

The events of Arrival would take something else entirely. This isn't just the Alliance; this is the entire Batarian government. There's no way in the universe that Shepard could just be grounded and relieved of command to make that problem go away. There has to be a trial of some sort for that large of a loss of life for any race, let alone one that dislikes humanity to begin with.

Anderson says how are you holding up since being relieved of duty.  Then he says don't worry we'll get it all sorted out, as if there hasn't even been a trial yet, and you're just grounded.

Almost like you're waiting for trial.

Modifié par Aaleel, 12 février 2012 - 10:29 .