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[TheRevanchist]

AlanC9 wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I think the majority of us are fine if there isn't a trial sequence. Just disappointed.

I know I should be following this better, but why are people disappointed? I haven't played the demo yet myself, but I always thought that the trial was going to be one of those regrettable necessities forced on the game because Bio was trying to attract new players. A way to do a recap in-game, but not important for us long-term fans who alreadyknow what our Shepards did and didn't do.

I guess I was wrong about that, eh?

Because Bioware basicly told us that there would be one.

[Dragoonlordz]

txgoldrush wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is disappointing to us, what part of that did you miss. We already answered your question from page 1 to 52. Your the one coming in here guns blazing firing at everyone else because you did not like the answer you already received that it for us was disappointing that they skipped something that would of enhanced our enjoyment of the game.

Yeah, I'm still baffled as to who the whiners are. Some people just come in expecting that all these threads are full of trolls, and not just people discussing a game they are interested in.

the ones keeping insisting that Bioware made the bad choice instead of waiting and seeing...the ones threatening to cancel their preorder....the ones pining for th eold Bioware...etc.

Outside of this bubble of yours that you live in, has it ever occured to you to take a step outside of it and noticed that if your the only one who thinks people should live a certain way and everyone else in the town or on the street you pop out in thinks differently that maybe you are the one in the wrong?

That maybe the world does not revolve around what you want and when a lot of people voice disappointment over the lack of dialogue choices "shown" in the demo vs "promised" with no evidence to be seen at this stage dialogue, a huge amount of forced responses that seem to contradict other peoples character persona's they have built up over two previous titles, or that it was rushed to shoot things way to early and lacked character plot development through such aspects as a trial.. That maybe everyone else here has a valid concern and every dam right to be disappointed? Has that ever crossed your mind or as shown to be the case in here just too self absorbed and selfish to recognise this?

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 février 2012 - 06:04 .

[Terror_K]

StephanieBengal wrote...

It's pretty amazing how strongly people feel about something that was/suppose to be at the beginning of the game.

I'm not knocking anyone, just crazy how big of a deal this is or isn't to the masses.

First impressions and all that.

Again, I'm not so much disappointed with the lack of a trial as I am with how bad and rushed the opening is prior to The Reaper attack. It's more the fact that I would have liked a portion of the trial combined with the fact I can see how doing so would fix the many problems I have with the intro that I'd like it back. Had the intro actually been decent, well-paced and more personal, I wouldn't have minded the absense of a trial.

[izmirtheastarach]

kylecouch wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I think the majority of us are fine if there isn't a trial sequence. Just disappointed.

I know I should be following this better, but why are people disappointed? I haven't played the demo yet myself, but I always thought that the trial was going to be one of those regrettable necessities forced on the game because Bio was trying to attract new players. A way to do a recap in-game, but not important for us long-term fans who alreadyknow what our Shepards did and didn't do.

I guess I was wrong about that, eh?

Because Bioware basicly told us that there would be one.

And then showed a demo to a bunch of press outlets that contained one.

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I think the majority of us are fine if there isn't a trial sequence. Just disappointed.

I know I should be following this better, but why are people disappointed? I haven't played the demo yet myself, but I always thought that the trial was going to be one of those regrettable necessities forced on the game because Bio was trying to attract new players. A way to do a recap in-game, but not important for us long-term fans who alreadyknow what our Shepards did and didn't do.

I guess I was wrong about that, eh?

Not just a recap, but a way to establish what your Shepard thought about the events.  Is your Shepard proud of working for Cerberus?  Ashamed?  Ambivalent?  Does he/she regret what happened at the Alpha Relay, or resgined to getingt the job done?   How do you defend your actions?   How does the Alliance react to that?  It could have been an amazing role playing opportunity for a series which even the developers admit had gotten a little lite on the roleplaying

[orpheuslupus]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is disappointing to us, what part of that did you miss. We already answered your question from page 1 to 52. Your the one coming in here guns blazing firing at everyone else because you did not like the answer you already received that it for us was disappointing that they skipped something that would of enhanced our enjoyment of the game.

Yeah, I'm still baffled as to who the whiners are. Some people just come in expecting that all these threads are full of trolls, and not just people discussing a game they are interested in.

the ones keeping insisting that Bioware made the bad choice instead of waiting and seeing...the ones threatening to cancel their preorder....the ones pining for th eold Bioware...etc.

Outside of this bubble of yours that you live in, has it ever occured to you to take a step outside of it and noticed that if your the only one who thinks people should live a certain way and everyone else in the town or on the street you pop out in thinks differently that maybe you are the one in the wrong?

While I understand your point, please don't make the assumption that "you're the only one".  There are plenty of us who are waiting and seeing, thank you.  Both sides have decent points, certainly!  And there are jerks on both sides.  But neither side should paint the other as one or two insane crazy people.

[izmirtheastarach]

iakus wrote...

Not just a recap, but a way to establish what your Shepard thought about the events.  Is your Shepard proud of working for Cerberus?  Ashamed?  Ambivalent?  Does he/she regret what happened at the Alpha Relay, or resgined to getingt the job done?   How do you defend your actions?   How does the Alliance react to that?  It could have been an amazing role playing opportunity for a series which even the developers admit had gotten a little lite on the roleplaying

Would have been great for anyone who was unhappy with being forced to work with Cerberus in ME2.

[Ihatebadgames]

If the combat in a RPG is too heavy,I will get really tired of the game really quick.I hate mobs,waves and enemies respawning quickly.

[Dragoonlordz]

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I think the majority of us are fine if there isn't a trial sequence. Just disappointed.

I know I should be following this better, but why are people disappointed? I haven't played the demo yet myself, but I always thought that the trial was going to be one of those regrettable necessities forced on the game because Bio was trying to attract new players. A way to do a recap in-game, but not important for us long-term fans who alreadyknow what our Shepards did and didn't do.

I guess I was wrong about that, eh?

Not just a recap, but a way to establish what your Shepard thought about the events.  Is your Shepard proud of working for Cerberus?  Ashamed?  Ambivalent?  Does he/she regret what happened at the Alpha Relay, or resgined to getingt the job done?   How do you defend your actions?   How does the Alliance react to that?  It could have been an amazing role playing opportunity for a series which even the developers admit had gotten a little lite on the roleplaying.

Very much so, it could of enhanced the quality of the game for many of us, the one thing that counts above all else for us in a Bioware title. Story, plot and character could have been delved deeper into and world been more enticing because your role in it is shown to be more than a generic canon approach. There was no real reason to skip ahead and leave it out other than fear of fans attention spans which is unjustified and actually insulting. They had better option of skipping it for Action mode and leaving in for Story and RPG modes.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 février 2012 - 06:17 .

[izmirtheastarach]

orpheuslupus wrote...

While I understand your point, please don't make the assumption that "you're the only one".  There are plenty of us who are waiting and seeing, thank you.  Both sides have decent points, certainly!  And there are jerks on both sides.  But neither side should paint the other as one or two insane crazy people.

A fair point, but of course you aren't rushing in here to tell us that we are all idiots for being disappointed. You are being a reasonable person. There is a difference.

[Dragoonlordz]

orpheuslupus wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is disappointing to us, what part of that did you miss. We already answered your question from page 1 to 52. Your the one coming in here guns blazing firing at everyone else because you did not like the answer you already received that it for us was disappointing that they skipped something that would of enhanced our enjoyment of the game.

Yeah, I'm still baffled as to who the whiners are. Some people just come in expecting that all these threads are full of trolls, and not just people discussing a game they are interested in.

the ones keeping insisting that Bioware made the bad choice instead of waiting and seeing...the ones threatening to cancel their preorder....the ones pining for th eold Bioware...etc.

Outside of this bubble of yours that you live in, has it ever occured to you to take a step outside of it and noticed that if your the only one who thinks people should live a certain way and everyone else in the town or on the street you pop out in thinks differently that maybe you are the one in the wrong?

While I understand your point, please don't make the assumption that "you're the only one".  There are plenty of us who are waiting and seeing, thank you.  Both sides have decent points, certainly!  And there are jerks on both sides.  But neither side should paint the other as one or two insane crazy people.

He or she painted his or herself the moment he/she came in here guns blazing attacking everyone else. I merely put up a mirror so he/she could see the colour painted self in. Though I admit I was a bit confrontational in my last response but after 10-20 pages of everyone being attacked by him or her my patience is wearing thin.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 février 2012 - 06:16 .

[AlanC9]

kylecouch wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I know I should be following this better, but why are people disappointed?

(snip)

I guess I was wrong about that, eh?

Because Bioware basicly told us that there would be one.

Yeah, but Bio also told me that there was going to be MP. If that somehow hadn't made it into ME3 I certainly wouldn't mind. Of course, MP has fans; I'm just a little surprised that the trial seems to.

@ iakus: thanks. I don't really need the game to give me an opportunity to explore how my Shepards feel about stuff, since I know that already. But the Alliance reaction might have been moderately interesting.

Modifié par AlanC9, 14 février 2012 - 06:15 .

[Iakus]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Would have been great for anyone who was unhappy with being forced to work with Cerberus in ME2.

Indeed.

And that's why I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they simply chose to difuse these opportunities across the game rather than concentrate them at the beginning.

@ iakus: thanks. I don't really need the game to give me an opportunity to explore how my Shepards feel about stuff, since I know that already. But the Alliance reaction might have been moderately interesting.

But many do need the game to give the opportunity to express it.  Emoting what your character thinks (and observing the reactions to this)  is a big part of the roleplaying experience.

Why else would hugging Tali and punching the reporter be two of the most popular interrupts?

Modifié par iakus, 14 février 2012 - 06:17 .

[Ihatebadgames]

I miss the idea of a trial.Really wanted to defend actions in ME2.On a side note all of my Shepards would love to give TIM to Jack,or maybe Aria.

[Terror_K]

iakus wrote...

Not just a recap, but a way to establish what your Shepard thought about the events.  Is your Shepard proud of working for Cerberus?  Ashamed?  Ambivalent?  Does he/she regret what happened at the Alpha Relay, or resgined to getingt the job done?   How do you defend your actions?   How does the Alliance react to that?  It could have been an amazing role playing opportunity for a series which even the developers admit had gotten a little lite on the roleplaying

^ Pretty much this.

I understand that it's technically meaningless when The Reapers attack, but that's not the way a player or the characters should be thinking. That's like saying, "all of ME1 and ME2 are meaningless" essentially. Talking with Miranda and Jacob on the way to seeing TIM for the first time didn't technically make any differences for what was to come, but it was a great opportunity for the player to express themselves, roleplay, reflect on Shepard's past deeds and even get a small window into Shepard's personality and mind (which is something many complained as being a rarity overall).

When it comes to dialogue too, many will quote about how ME3 has twice as much dialogue as ME1 and almost twice as much as ME2, but how much is interactive? Because from what I've seen so far, ME3 seems closer to MGS4 or FF XIII than the other prior Mass Effect games. A lot of dialogue is meaningless if most of it isn't even dynamic or interactive.

[izmirtheastarach]

AlanC9 wrote...

Yeah, but Bio also told me that there was going to be MP. If that somehow hadn't made it into ME3 I certainly wouldn't mind. Of course, MP has fans; I'm just a little surprised that the trial seems to.

@ iakus: thanks. I don't really need the game to give me an opportunity to explore how my Shepards feel about stuff, since I know that already. But the Alliance reaction might have been moderately interesting.

To your point, there were also a bunch of stories early last year that clearly confirmed that there would not be multiplayer.

[Dragoonlordz]

Terror_K wrote...

iakus wrote...

Not just a recap, but a way to establish what your Shepard thought about the events.  Is your Shepard proud of working for Cerberus?  Ashamed?  Ambivalent?  Does he/she regret what happened at the Alpha Relay, or resgined to getingt the job done?   How do you defend your actions?   How does the Alliance react to that?  It could have been an amazing role playing opportunity for a series which even the developers admit had gotten a little lite on the roleplaying

^ Pretty much this.

I understand that it's technically meaningless when The Reapers attack, but that's not the way a player or the characters should be thinking. That's like saying, "all of ME1 and ME2 are meaningless" essentially. Talking with Miranda and Jacob on the way to seeing TIM for the first time didn't technically make any differences for what was to come, but it was a great opportunity for the player to express themselves, roleplay, reflect on Shepard's past deeds and even get a small window into Shepard's personality and mind (which is something many complained as being a rarity overall).

When it comes to dialogue too, many will quote about how ME3 has twice as much dialogue as ME1 and almost twice as much as ME2, but how much is interactive? Because from what I've seen so far, ME3 seems closer to MGS4 or FF XIII than the other prior Mass Effect games. A lot of dialogue is meaningless if most of it isn't even dynamic or interactive.

Both points I agree with both yours and iakus. The whole urgency aspect does not even come into play at all in this discussion, there is no actual reason why Reapers had to attack right there and then and not do the same thing 5 or 10 minutes later after trial was reaching it's end. During which those 5 to 10 minutes would have given us players the ablility to extend and dig deeper into the aspects iakus mentioned. If getting to the combat was such issue for some people they should of cut the trial content in one of the other modes and not cut it from the RPG mode.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 février 2012 - 06:26 .

[Terror_K]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Both points I agree with both yours and iakus. The whole urgency aspect does not even come into play at all in this discussion, there is no actual reason why Reapers had to attack right there and then and not do the same thing 5 or 10 minutes later after trial was reaching end. During which those 5 to 10 minutes would have given us players the ablility to extend and dig deeper into the aspects iakus mentioned. If getting to the combat was such issue for some people they should of incorporated that into one of the other modes and not the RPG mode.

We wouldn't have even needed that long. Even just two minutes more, along with a little more time and care with the meeting with Anderson and the VS, would have gone a long way. How long does it take for Shepard to simply answer 4 or 5 questions? That's all that was really needing. Would have improved the pacing and made the game far more personal and interactive.

Also, I still feel the whole thing would have been better if the Alliance weren't wetting themselves from the start.

[Ihatebadgames]

The Alliance should be wetting themselves,they have had over two years to get ready and they blew it.

[Dragoonlordz]

Terror_K wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Both points I agree with both yours and iakus. The whole urgency aspect does not even come into play at all in this discussion, there is no actual reason why Reapers had to attack right there and then and not do the same thing 5 or 10 minutes later after trial was reaching end. During which those 5 to 10 minutes would have given us players the ablility to extend and dig deeper into the aspects iakus mentioned. If getting to the combat was such issue for some people they should of incorporated that into one of the other modes and not the RPG mode.

We wouldn't have even needed that long. Even just two minutes more, along with a little more time and care with the meeting with Anderson and the VS, would have gone a long way. How long does it take for Shepard to simply answer 4 or 5 questions? That's all that was really needing. Would have improved the pacing and made the game far more personal and interactive.

Also, I still feel the whole thing would have been better if the Alliance weren't wetting themselves from the start.

The trial issue is only minor issue for me but it did disappoint me that they made the choice to cut something that could of very much improved for a lot of us the character development, story being deeper and less rushed with nothing being aired or answered like the examples given by aikus. The big one is the out of character auto responses and lack of dialogue choices we have "seen" via the demo compared to what they "claim" will have which we have not seen. That by far is my biggest concern right now but the trial or lack of was disappointing to me.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 février 2012 - 06:34 .

[txgoldrush]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

orpheuslupus wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is disappointing to us, what part of that did you miss. We already answered your question from page 1 to 52. Your the one coming in here guns blazing firing at everyone else because you did not like the answer you already received that it for us was disappointing that they skipped something that would of enhanced our enjoyment of the game.

Yeah, I'm still baffled as to who the whiners are. Some people just come in expecting that all these threads are full of trolls, and not just people discussing a game they are interested in.

the ones keeping insisting that Bioware made the bad choice instead of waiting and seeing...the ones threatening to cancel their preorder....the ones pining for th eold Bioware...etc.

Outside of this bubble of yours that you live in, has it ever occured to you to take a step outside of it and noticed that if your the only one who thinks people should live a certain way and everyone else in the town or on the street you pop out in thinks differently that maybe you are the one in the wrong?

While I understand your point, please don't make the assumption that "you're the only one".  There are plenty of us who are waiting and seeing, thank you.  Both sides have decent points, certainly!  And there are jerks on both sides.  But neither side should paint the other as one or two insane crazy people.

He or she painted his or herself the moment he/she came in here guns blazing attacking everyone else. I merely put up a mirror so he/she could see the colour painted self in. Though I admit I was a bit confrontational in my last response but after 10-20 pages of everyone being attacked by him or her my patience is wearing thin.

Its because you are not seeing the full picture...thats the point. You ar enot waiting and seeing, you are prejudging without any basis whatsoever.

What if the trial was handled poorly, you wouldn't be disppointed then? Think about it.

And as for "auto-dialogue" once again you miss the fact that ME3 has almost as many lines as ME1 and ME2 combined, that can't bet mostly autodialogue can it? It was for demo purposes only.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 14 février 2012 - 06:36 .

[Sora Shepherd]

Furthermore why is the entire thing is in a cutscene? Shepard could be walking on his own and immersing himself if what it's like to live peacefully for a few moments on earth for a change. It would have also been a nice nod to ME1's Normandy intro. Part of the flair on the ME series is the mixture of linear and open-world(or at least the illusion of it) story telling.

And now with a trial gone from the game, Earth is a complete afterthought.

[izmirtheastarach]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The trial issue is only minor issue for me but it did disappoint me and they made the choice to cut something that could of very much improved for a lot of us the character development, story being deeper and less rushed with nothing being aired or answered like the examples given by aikus. The big one is the out of character auto responses and lack of dialogue choices we have "seen" via the demo compared to what they claim will have which we have not seen. That by far is my biggest concern right now but the trial or lack of was disappointing to me.

And of course if we get the game in our hands, and there is a lot of exposition and dialogue that explains that happened to Shepard, and there are lots of varied dialogue options, neither you nor I are going to be here complaining about it.

All we're doing is discussing out concerns.

[izmirtheastarach]

txgoldrush wrote...

Its because you are not seeing the full picture...thats the point. You ar enot waiting and seeing, you are prejudging without any basis whatsoever.

What if the trial was handled poorly, you wouldn't be disppointed then? Think about it.

What full picture is that? All we are discussing is the intro. I've played through it a half dozen times. I think I get what is in there.

And of course we would be disappointed if it were handeled poorly. What kind of an idiotic question is that? Should we assume that it would be handeled poorly? I don't. I think it could have been handeled great. But the problem is that it's not handeled at all. It's just not there.

[Dragoonlordz]

txgoldrush wrote...

Its because you are not seeing the full picture...thats the point. You ar enot waiting and seeing, you are prejudging without any basis whatsoever.

What if the trial was handled poorly, you wouldn't be disppointed then? Think about it.

Nothing to think about, it's a no brainer. It is better to have something that may like or not like than not have anything at all. No different to buying a cake with cherry on top and sprinkles on it at a bakery, you may or may not like the cherry or sprinkles on top but atleast you the customer was given the choice to eat or try it. The action mode could of been used akin to buying a cake without the sprinkles or cherry and instead just plain cake with no toppings, the RPG mode could have contained those additional flavours and toppings. In this case we have had that snatched away from us as a possibility hence the disappointment in missing out on something that could of been very good and enhanced the game from the role playing perspective.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 février 2012 - 06:52 .