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[Sp Diablo]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Its because you are not seeing the full picture...thats the point. You ar enot waiting and seeing, you are prejudging without any basis whatsoever.

What if the trial was handled poorly, you wouldn't be disppointed then? Think about it.

Nothing to think about, it's a no brainer. It is better to have something that may like or not like than not have anything at all. No different to buying a cake with cherry on top and sprinkles on it at a bakery, you may or may not like the cherry or sprinkles on top but atleast you the customer was given the choice to eat or try it. In this case we have had that snatched away from us as a possibility hence the disappointment in missing out on something that could of been very good and enhanced the game from the role playing perspective.

I personally will be buying mass effect 3 when it comes out, I hae the CE preordered and everything, but I do agree with what you are saying. I played the demo and I have been looking forward to the trial since I played arrival last year and I really wanted to go paragon on it. I am disappointed that they took it out for some reason and like you said I would have like to have at least been given a choice whether I wanted it or not they just took it away.

[izmirtheastarach]

Sp Diablo wrote...

I personally will be buying mass effect 3 when it comes out, I hae the CE preordered and everything, but I do agree with what you are saying. I played the demo and I have been looking forward to the trial since I played arrival last year and I really wanted to go paragon on it. I am disappointed that they took it out for some reason and like you said I would have like to have at least been given a choice whether I wanted it or not they just took it away.

I think most of the people who've expressed their disappointed in this thread probably have pre-orders. I know I do. In fact, I think I would pay $200 if I could play the game right now.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 14 février 2012 - 06:50 .

[txgoldrush]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Its because you are not seeing the full picture...thats the point. You ar enot waiting and seeing, you are prejudging without any basis whatsoever.

What if the trial was handled poorly, you wouldn't be disppointed then? Think about it.

Nothing to think about, it's a no brainer. It is better to have something that may like or not like than not have anything at all. No different to buying a cake with cherry on top and sprinkles on it at a bakery, you may or may not like the cherry or sprinkles on top but atleast you the customer was given the choice to eat it. In this case we have had that snatched away from us as a possibility hence the disappointment in missing out on something that could of been very good and enhanced the game from the role playing perspective.

And something poor and forced can bring down the whole section as well....you are not taking this into account. Then in this case its best not to have that something. There are many reasons why things are cut and changed...and a concept of addition by subtraction.

[Dragoonlordz]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Its because you are not seeing the full picture...thats the point. You ar enot waiting and seeing, you are prejudging without any basis whatsoever.

What if the trial was handled poorly, you wouldn't be disppointed then? Think about it.

Nothing to think about, it's a no brainer. It is better to have something that may like or not like than not have anything at all. No different to buying a cake with cherry on top and sprinkles on it at a bakery, you may or may not like the cherry or sprinkles on top but atleast you the customer was given the choice to eat or try it. The action mode could of been used akin to buying a cake without the sprinkles or cherry and instead just plain cake with no toppings, the RPG mode could have contained those additional flavours and toppings. In this case we have had that snatched away from us as a possibility hence the disappointment in missing out on something that could of been very good and enhanced the game from the role playing perspective.

Also to add to this... 

We are basing our opinions on the demo which is mean't as an example of what to expect in the full game, we are not basing our opinions on to quote you "without any basis whatsoever". 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 février 2012 - 06:54 .

[izmirtheastarach]

txgoldrush wrote...

And something poor and forced can bring down the whole section as well....you are not taking this into account. Then in this case its best not to have that something. There are many reasons why things are cut and changed...and a concept of addition by subtraction.

Because apparently you have a magical ability to know what would work and what would not. The crux of your argument from the beginning is that everyone else is wrong. That's not really a basis for an argument.

Can you explain at all why you are making this pessimistic assumption that if they did implement it, it would be "poor and forced"?

[Habs25]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

Then you're the kind of customer EA wants. No sense bogging players down with plot and character development when there are things to kill!

(Sorry I couldn't help it, I'm disappoineted at the opening- it's another bit of railroading and cut corners)

Ok, I know I'm a tool of the Man and all, but how so?

If you are a new player (haven't played ME1 or ME2) you learn who Shepard is, why he's on earth, what the Reaper threat is, and then the story begins.

If you are a continuing player (have played either or both of the previous games) you already know the plot and character development because you helped form it with your previous play throughs and the story picks up after ME2.

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?

^ What he said.

[Dragoonlordz]

Habs25 wrote...

^ What he said.

Thanks for stopping by, feel free to drop by again when you find your capable of independent thought. 

Have a nice day. 

[stwu]

Terror_K wrote...

This is the only way the opening could be more rushed:

 classic.

I'm dissapointed to learn that the demo intro is all we get in the full game. I don't understand Bioware. If they keep pandering to casual gamers they won't be getting my 60 bucks in the forseeable future. That being said I hope the rest of the game has more story and dialogue.

[txgoldrush]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

And something poor and forced can bring down the whole section as well....you are not taking this into account. Then in this case its best not to have that something. There are many reasons why things are cut and changed...and a concept of addition by subtraction.

Because apparently you have a magical ability to know what would work and what would not. The crux of your argument from the beginning is that everyone else is wrong. That's not really a basis for an argument.

Can you explain at all why you are making this pessimistic assumption that if they did implement it, it would be "poor and forced"?

no, you just are not taking the pessimistic view into account and you are assuming that there needed to be a trial...

for example...the trial could actually make humans look even dumber and more pathetic, at least in the demo they try to put up a fight and have a fleet around the planet.

And judging by the first draft leak, the meeting was a hearing instead of what it is now, which is them questioning Shep what the threat was, there is your trial...a 2 minute affair. It was a minor change at best.

[Dragoonlordz]

txgoldrush wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

And something poor and forced can bring down the whole section as well....you are not taking this into account. Then in this case its best not to have that something. There are many reasons why things are cut and changed...and a concept of addition by subtraction.

Because apparently you have a magical ability to know what would work and what would not. The crux of your argument from the beginning is that everyone else is wrong. That's not really a basis for an argument.

Can you explain at all why you are making this pessimistic assumption that if they did implement it, it would be "poor and forced"?

no, you just are not taking the pessimistic view into account and you are assuming that there needed to be a trial...

for example...the trial could actually make humans look even dumber and more pathetic, at least in the demo they try to put up a fight and have a fleet around the planet.

And judging by the first draft leak, the meeting was a hearing instead of what it is now, which is them questioning Shep what the threat was, there is your trial...a 2 minute affair. It was a minor change at best.

Honestly every time I respond to you my IQ drops another 5 points...

At this stage I'm off to do other things before I become medically classified as brain dead due to the constant requirement of drop in intelligence trying to reach you on your level. For a troll you certainly have one good point and that is how self absorbed you are to the point of even though lost to every single counter point you have made against everyone else, you never gave up ranting a load of old tosh/nonsense.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 février 2012 - 07:13 .

[izmirtheastarach]

I just finished a pure Paragon playthrough. I literally finished Arrival a minute ago. My Shepard just told Hackett that I would gladly stand trial when the time came. But apparently that's not going to happen.

[txgoldrush]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

And something poor and forced can bring down the whole section as well....you are not taking this into account. Then in this case its best not to have that something. There are many reasons why things are cut and changed...and a concept of addition by subtraction.

Because apparently you have a magical ability to know what would work and what would not. The crux of your argument from the beginning is that everyone else is wrong. That's not really a basis for an argument.

Can you explain at all why you are making this pessimistic assumption that if they did implement it, it would be "poor and forced"?

no, you just are not taking the pessimistic view into account and you are assuming that there needed to be a trial...

for example...the trial could actually make humans look even dumber and more pathetic, at least in the demo they try to put up a fight and have a fleet around the planet.

And judging by the first draft leak, the meeting was a hearing instead of what it is now, which is them questioning Shep what the threat was, there is your trial...a 2 minute affair. It was a minor change at best.

Honestly every time I respond to you my IQ drops another 5 points...

At this stage I'm off to do other things before I become medically classified as brain dead due to the constant requirment of drop in intelligence trying to reach you on your level. For a troll you certainly have one good point and that is how self absorbed you are to the point of even though lost to every single counter point you have made against everyone else, you never gave up ranting a load of old tosh/nonsense.

bla bla bla

and you didn't get a thing I just said.

and what was cut is a bunch of stupid accusations flying before everyone gets blown up, judging by the first draft leak, nothing worth over 50 pages of disappointment over. The scene that replaces it is far better, as it shows humans being powerless more than stupid.

[PHub88]

I bought Bioware games because they were unique, and offered something no other games do. Since ME2 dropped, they have done everything in their power to dumb down their games and make them just like all the other games that are already out there... games that cant touch the ones Bioware made before. I will finish ME3 because of how much I loved ME1 and ME2...and as much as I was annoyed at some of the changes ME2 made such as focusing on action far more than anything else...the impression we have gotten so far for ME3 has me thinking ME2 looks DANG GOOD...and that scares me beyond belief. I still have some hope. But if the story and Shepard interaction in this demo is representative of the actual game. This will hands down be MY LAST BIOWARE PURCHASE. Its funny how they seemed to keep pushing that ME3 was sort of "return of the RPG"...when in reality it looks like they did the exact opposite...oh ok we get a better leveling system...that means NOTHING if the dialogue is as nonexistent and automatic as the demo as well as the story being so twitchy and feeling rushed to the point of sheer ridiculousness for the sake of getting the player in shooting at this ASAP. While the demo may have been fun to play. Story wise that was the worst introduction to a game I have ever seen in my life. Especially when you consider this is supposed to be the FINAL installment.

[izmirtheastarach]

txgoldrush wrote...

no, you just are not taking the pessimistic view into account and you are assuming that there needed to be a trial...

I will try this one more time, and then I give up too. I do not think there "needed " to be a trial. I think that I was told by Arrival and by Bioware's marketing that there would be one. I was looking forward to it. It's not going to be in the game. I'm disappointed. That's it, that's all.

[txgoldrush]

PHub88 wrote...

I bought Bioware games because they were unique, and offered something no other games do. Since ME2 dropped, they have done everything in their power to dumb down their games and make them just like all the other games that are already out there... games that cant touch the ones Bioware made before. I will finish ME3 because of how much I loved ME1 and ME2...and as much as I was annoyed at some of the changes ME2 made such as focusing on action far more than anything else...the impression we have gotten so far for ME3 has me thinking ME2 looks DANG GOOD...and that scares me beyond belief. I still have some hope. But if the story and Shepard interaction in this demo is representative of the actual game. This will hands down be MY LAST BIOWARE PURCHASE. Its funny how they seemed to keep pushing that ME3 was sort of "return of the RPG"...when in reality it looks like they did the exact opposite...oh ok we get a better leveling system...that means NOTHING if the dialogue is as nonexistent and automatic as the demo as well as the story being so twitchy and feeling rushed to the point of sheer ridiculousness for the sake of getting the player in shooting at this ASAP. While the demo may have been fun to play. Story wise that was the worst introduction to a game I have ever seen in my life. Especially when you consider this is supposed to be the FINAL installment.

have I made my point clear.....this is the "whining" I am talking about.

[PHub88]

txgoldrush wrote...

PHub88 wrote...

I bought Bioware games because they were unique, and offered something no other games do. Since ME2 dropped, they have done everything in their power to dumb down their games and make them just like all the other games that are already out there... games that cant touch the ones Bioware made before. I will finish ME3 because of how much I loved ME1 and ME2...and as much as I was annoyed at some of the changes ME2 made such as focusing on action far more than anything else...the impression we have gotten so far for ME3 has me thinking ME2 looks DANG GOOD...and that scares me beyond belief. I still have some hope. But if the story and Shepard interaction in this demo is representative of the actual game. This will hands down be MY LAST BIOWARE PURCHASE. Its funny how they seemed to keep pushing that ME3 was sort of "return of the RPG"...when in reality it looks like they did the exact opposite...oh ok we get a better leveling system...that means NOTHING if the dialogue is as nonexistent and automatic as the demo as well as the story being so twitchy and feeling rushed to the point of sheer ridiculousness for the sake of getting the player in shooting at this ASAP. While the demo may have been fun to play. Story wise that was the worst introduction to a game I have ever seen in my life. Especially when you consider this is supposed to be the FINAL installment.

have I made my point clear.....this is the "whining" I am talking about.

Why is it whining? Because you don't agree?

You are a troll, go away

[izmirtheastarach]

txgoldrush wrote...

have I made my point clear.....this is the "whining" I am talking about.

And yet instead of directing your ire at people who are whining, you've basically spent page after page trying to convince two people that their reasonable opinions are wrong. I hope you feel like you really accomplished something here.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 14 février 2012 - 07:27 .

[txgoldrush]

PHub88 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

PHub88 wrote...

I bought Bioware games because they were unique, and offered something no other games do. Since ME2 dropped, they have done everything in their power to dumb down their games and make them just like all the other games that are already out there... games that cant touch the ones Bioware made before. I will finish ME3 because of how much I loved ME1 and ME2...and as much as I was annoyed at some of the changes ME2 made such as focusing on action far more than anything else...the impression we have gotten so far for ME3 has me thinking ME2 looks DANG GOOD...and that scares me beyond belief. I still have some hope. But if the story and Shepard interaction in this demo is representative of the actual game. This will hands down be MY LAST BIOWARE PURCHASE. Its funny how they seemed to keep pushing that ME3 was sort of "return of the RPG"...when in reality it looks like they did the exact opposite...oh ok we get a better leveling system...that means NOTHING if the dialogue is as nonexistent and automatic as the demo as well as the story being so twitchy and feeling rushed to the point of sheer ridiculousness for the sake of getting the player in shooting at this ASAP. While the demo may have been fun to play. Story wise that was the worst introduction to a game I have ever seen in my life. Especially when you consider this is supposed to be the FINAL installment.

have I made my point clear.....this is the "whining" I am talking about.

Why is it whining? Because you don't agree?

You are a troll, go away

Its because you are once again jumping to conclusions...

Once again, for dialogue

http://www.pcgamer.c...the-first-game/

So much for the auto dialogue....a game does not have this much dialogue with very few dialogues. And many WRPGs have autodialogue.

Nevermind that plenety of RPGs put you in the action right away...ME3 is NOT alone.

And really were the older titles that good....NWN's was a huge step back from Baldur's Gate (and easily bested by its sequel), Jade Empire had a flawed combat system, KOTOR's characters were pretty much one dimensional compared to newer Bioware characters.

And really in fact, newer Bioware games have far more maturity and intellegence than in the past. Look at Jack's loyalty mission in ME2, thats far beyond the maturity of the D&D and KOTOR days...so much for dumbing things down.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 14 février 2012 - 07:33 .

[Ihatebadgames]

I don't see whinning,I see a strong well thought out opnion.No cuss words no name calling,just a clear worry about what ME3 brings for the money most fans have already spent.

[PHub88]

How many games are there right now that are anything like Mass Effect on Xbox 360? Yes...absolutely none.

I wasn't aware I called any of those older games perfect. But that is no reason to constantly move further and further away from a formula that works. Ultimately to appease people who don't even enjoy the game in the first place. Sales I get it right. Bioware and EA as of late like to keep pretending there isn't millions of people who like their games without forcing them to be casual.

As for dialogue. The vast consensus on here would be that the demo is very close to what the real game will be. The demo had just about no dialogue what so ever. Everyone crapped up a storm about auto dialogue in ME2 but the thing is I never really noticed it happening that often so it didn't bother me...but as for this demo...nearly everything Shepard said was on his own...it didn't feel like I was controlling him anymore...

Everything was so rushed...the reapers coming could have been so epic but it wasn't. There was no reason for them showing up being so ridiculously quick to the point where the moment is ruined all together. 2 games over 4 years of gaming with Mass Effect and wondering what it will be like when the Reapers actually do show up, and it was incredibly lame.

Thank you for the article. Because if it doesn't hold true thats more reason for me to steer clear of Bioware in the future.

[Comsky159]

PHub88 wrote...

Everything was so rushed...the reapers coming could have been so epic but it wasn't. There was no reason for them showing up being so ridiculously quick to the point where the moment is ruined all together. 2 games over 4 years of gaming with Mass Effect and wondering what it will be like when the Reapers actually do show up, and it was incredibly lame.

Thank you for the article. Because if it doesn't hold true thats more reason for me to steer clear of Bioware in the future.

True. This event was supposed to be the climax the first two games were working towards and in the broad sense, the climax of the series. For me, the single reaper vanguard and then the mortal slaves of the reapers, have, given their comparably limited potential induced superior awe and tension than the arrival of the entire reaper fleet.

It's as if I've blinked and BANG! Missed it. There's so much more Bioware was capable of doing with an event this huge.

[Nimrodell]

Terror_K wrote...

iakus wrote...

Not just a recap, but a way to establish what your Shepard thought about the events.  Is your Shepard proud of working for Cerberus?  Ashamed?  Ambivalent?  Does he/she regret what happened at the Alpha Relay, or resgined to getingt the job done?   How do you defend your actions?   How does the Alliance react to that?  It could have been an amazing role playing opportunity for a series which even the developers admit had gotten a little lite on the roleplaying

^ Pretty much this.

I understand that it's technically meaningless when The Reapers attack, but that's not the way a player or the characters should be thinking. That's like saying, "all of ME1 and ME2 are meaningless" essentially. Talking with Miranda and Jacob on the way to seeing TIM for the first time didn't technically make any differences for what was to come, but it was a great opportunity for the player to express themselves, roleplay, reflect on Shepard's past deeds and even get a small window into Shepard's personality and mind (which is something many complained as being a rarity overall).

When it comes to dialogue too, many will quote about how ME3 has twice as much dialogue as ME1 and almost twice as much as ME2, but how much is interactive? Because from what I've seen so far, ME3 seems closer to MGS4 or FF XIII than the other prior Mass Effect games. A lot of dialogue is meaningless if most of it isn't even dynamic or interactive.

Ah, we'll see situation on the Normandy - Shepard didn't get the chance to actually talk to VS. There's still some bad blood between them and perhaps what we wanted from hearing we'll get in those dialogues, just like it was postponed in ME2 for the sake of new players coming into Mass Effect. That's where my hope lies. As we seen in intro - Shepard didn't meet VS in those 6 months after The Arrival and perhaps what was supposed to be hearing will actually happen on the Normandy. I clearly remember reading one review of playtrough (longer one for the press) last week where the reviewer said that we'll discover on Normandy that VS is still doubting us... If you ask me, that's even better version of the recap 'cause it's more personal (I'm sorry, I can't provide the link for that particular review - I picked up the link from some of threads here).

Yes, they were talking about how trial will actually determine Shepard's personality, but I deem that then they realised it'll confuse the newcomers to the series, so I'm really hoping for Normandy VS scenario of it, just like Shepard was determining things after she escaped Cerberus station.

Edit: typos.

Modifié par Nimrodell, 14 février 2012 - 08:54 .

[Oricard]

He was actually waiting to be put on trial until Earth's colonies started going dark. After that you have to pretty much assume that the trial was off until answers were found. Then the repears crash the party. No trial for reason of extinction event.

[Il Divo]

txgoldrush wrote...

And really were the older titles that good....NWN's was a huge step back from Baldur's Gate (and easily bested by its sequel), Jade Empire had a flawed combat system, KOTOR's characters were pretty much one dimensional compared to newer Bioware characters.

Not by a long shot.

[Iakus]

Nimrodell wrote...

Ah, we'll see situation on the Normandy - Shepard didn't get the chance to actually talk to VS. There's still some bad blood between them and perhaps what we wanted from hearing we'll get in those dialogues, just like it was postponed in ME2 for the sake of new players coming into Mass Effect. That's where my hope lies. As we seen in intro - Shepard didn't meet VS in those 6 months after The Arrival and perhaps what was supposed to be hearing will actually happen on the Normandy. I clearly remember reading one review of playtrough (longer one for the press) last week where the reviewer said that we'll discover on Normandy that VS is still doubting us... If you ask me, that's even better version of the recap 'cause it's more personal (I'm sorry, I can't provide the link for that particular review - I picked up the link from some of threads here).

Yes, they were talking about how trial will actually determine Shepard's personality, but I deem that then they realised it'll confuse the newcomers to the series, so I'm really hoping for Normandy VS scenario of it, just like Shepard was determining things after she escaped Cerberus station.

Edit: typos.

This is what I'm hoping for, and why I think the lack of trial, while annoying, isn't the end of the world.

Still, would have been nice to have it as well ..