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[txgoldrush]

RSX Titan wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

RSX Titan wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

RSX Titan wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

And how is it "established"?

What if the trial was done poorly? Or disrupts the pacing of the game? You are just not taking these things into account.

Why don't you take the logical and sane thing, and judge AFTER the game is released?

Its that simple.

if the beginning and Sheps situation isn't fleshed out later, then that is a problem....but we do not know that it won't be.

And is it a fair opinion to judge a drama as a comedy? Or judge the story by its own merits on what it tries to do, judging a drama as a drama? I say the latter.

That is a glarring logical fallacy. What if this mission was done poorly, oh we'll take it out. Oh Reapers are portrayed poorly we'll take them out. Your assertion is utterly asinine.

And as to judging the game, who is? Don't deviate from the topic at hand. The introduction and the issues of cohesion.

Inventory was done poorly in ME1, it was taken out. Exploration was done poorly, it was taken out. It happens all the time.

Story and narrative not game mechanics.

You honestly think they wouldn't remove the trial section if they weren't able to get it right just because it's a story mechanic? 

So then they left in the tail end which served no purpose whatsoever and then didn't explain or elaborate on any of the events which have taken place in the previous months. Despite them being able to do a similar trial scene in ME1 with the Council and ME2 with Tali. What changed in how it dialogue or narrative was set up?

It feels more like they wanted to engage players with action first. Hence it feels forced and rushed.

I agree with you on that. I'm simply saying whether it's a story mechanic or a gameplay one, developers can and do cut content all the time if they don't feel it works. 

I would have been happy with a hearing where Shepard has 2 or 3 choices but it's clear they wanted to get right into the action. It's debatable if there ever was a trial scene or not and we'll likely never know.

The beta leak actually indeed show their was supposed to be a trial....

Here is a snippet of the smaller leak considering this part of the leak is no longer spoilers....

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The leaders of Earth have grounded you and are demanding you answer for his actions while with Cerberus. Alone in your "cell," you gazes wistfully at the idyllic view of Vancouver, Earth's gleaming capital city.



The hearing begins and your are summoned; escorted from you cell by an elite young soldier, James. On the long walk you are accompanied by your mentor and friend, Admiral Anderson. Just as you are about to enter the hearing, your old friend (lover?) Ashley/Kaidan arrives; but there's little time for reminiscing as you are whisked inside. James and A/K wait outside while you face your accusers. The hearing is a witch hunt; nobody seems interested in the truth. Even with Anderson defending you, it's clear the leaders won't listen to reason.



Before the trial can conclude, your warnings are proven true as earth is rocked by the advanced guard of the Reaper forces. Chaos ensues as you and Anderson attempt to rendezvous with the Normandy and escape the carnage. Your initial plan is foiled and you're forced to find a new pickup location. Meanwhile, A/K and James find an alternate route and reach the Normandy ahead of you. As Reapers forces bear down on you and Anderson, the two veteran soldiers stand back to back to repel the overwhelming enemy numbers. At the last possible moment, the Normandy arrives; Alliance troops poor out of the Normandy, you leap on board and encourages Anderson to join him. Anderson refuses -- Earth needs him here! He vows to stay and fight while Shepard searches the galaxy for a way to defeat the Reapers once and for all. In the midst of the battle, Anderson grants you access to all Alliance military facilities... including the archives on Mars.



As the Reaper forces converge, you, A/K, Joker, and James blast away in the Normandy and head for Mars in search of answers.

=====

This was really just a small change

[txgoldrush]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

any why can't they fill us in with all the details after they escape Earth and are on their way to Mars? I mean like 15 minutes into the game instead of 5 minutes into it?

And why can't we have it before? Urgency again I remind you is fallacy, they could of arrived 5 or 15 minutes later and would still get to experience the game from that point on no different than how experienced it with them arriving earlier. If you want to try to push your rather ignorant response of "damage/harm" the game by having it, I again point you to this reply.

But facing reality, I guess its your turn...why can't you just get to the action and have fill in later? Why is this bad?

Because according to this, there is no more trial...with your logic I would only be dealing with hypothetical...you, on the other hand, have to deal with reality.

[txgoldrush]

Esquin wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

Then you're the kind of customer EA wants. No sense bogging players down with plot and character development when there are things to kill!

(Sorry I couldn't help it, I'm disappoineted at the opening- it's another bit of railroading and cut corners)

Ok, I know I'm a tool of the Man and all, but how so?

If you are a new player (haven't played ME1 or ME2) you learn who Shepard is, why he's on earth, what the Reaper threat is, and then the story begins.

If you are a continuing player (have played either or both of the previous games) you already know the plot and character development because you helped form it with your previous play throughs and the story picks up after ME2.

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?

Because we were looking forward to experiencing at least some of the trial and getting some sense of whats happened in the last 6 months. Not having to fill in the blanks on our own.

instead of filling the blanks on our own, how about details being filled in a bit later. Be patient.

[Alixen]

Huh. That snippet is exactly how the game starts, except the dialog is about a 'defence' rather than a trial. That sort of makes it even worse, because the groundwork is already there. A minute of witchhunt dialog and it could have all stayed the same.

[Esquin]

So the script gets leaked. And they choose to cut the parts that people actually liked? What the hell?

[Dragoonlordz]

txgoldrush wrote...

-snip-

This was really just a small change

That "small" change as you put it only states that they did not listen to you "during" the trial. In order to listen, you have to have responded and said things. That period of saying things whether forced auto canon responses which has recieved negative feedback on large scale in the other thread and this one, or if by dialogue choices made by the player could of lasted 5 minutes or could of lasted 30. It only says when/as trial is concluded Reapers attack.

This could/would happen even if we got what we asked for and felt was missing. That 5 to 30 minutes I referenced is the "trial" part we are talking about, the very thing we are talking about. Time it takes and how much is said is not covered in your little spoiler section it could of been even longer and said more than what it is we are saying was missing and felt needed. In essence all you did there is prove nothing and not even make any valid point, you cannot claim it is a small change when the length of time and amount on content during which could be infinate (though unlikely for obvious reasons) it could of been significant amount of time covered where the player interacted and they dismissed his claims and responses much like speaking with council which had player input.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 février 2012 - 03:56 .

[DJBare]

Esquin wrote...

So the script gets leaked. And they choose to cut the parts that people actually liked? What the hell?

It's on the cutting room floor after someone said "Wait, won't people have to be patient and think?"

[deucemojo]

Like some people already mentioned, there should have been a trial for those who completed the Arrival DLC and imported their character onto ME 3. A unique experience for the dedicated fan base.

I wish a dev/Chris would officially confirm that there is NO trial scene in the retail version....or perhaps the silence means there is one??

[Esquin]

I had so much faith and in one motion it's been totally destroyed. I really want to be hopeful. I do. But it's getting more and more difficult.

[Dragoonlordz]

DJBare wrote...

Esquin wrote...

So the script gets leaked. And they choose to cut the parts that people actually liked? What the hell?

It's on the cutting room floor after someone said "Wait, won't people have to be patient and think?"

Patience has nothing to do with it and in a response to txgold at same time. Those people the admirals, the ones at the trial and the ones who went back to face and spent 6 months with are dead by time leave Earth. You do not get that back by waiting patiently they are gone and so is that opportunity. That it the difference between having the 15 minute talk after they are dead or the 5-15 minute talk "with them" while they are alive.

Now we won't get it because the game has gone to gold status and no more changes will be made to the core game so won't be in the retail version. However there is a chance may be added as DLC in future if people ask for it and we very much have the right to say the lack of it disappointed us. That would be nice if at later date since already gone gold, a viable option would be through DLC, an extension to alleviate the "rushed" feel of the introduction for those who desire it and enhancement of those missing 6 months from start of the retail game including maybe the actual trial.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 février 2012 - 04:05 .

[DJBare]

deucemojo wrote...

Like some people already mentioned, there should have been a trial for those who completed the Arrival DLC and imported their character onto ME 3. A unique experience for the dedicated fan base.

I wish a dev/Chris would officially confirm that there is NO trial scene in the retail version....or perhaps the silence means there is one??

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.



{smilie}

[billy the squid]

DJBare wrote...

Esquin wrote...

So the script gets leaked. And they choose to cut the parts that people actually liked? What the hell?

It's on the cutting room floor after someone said "Wait, won't people have to be patient and think?"

I laughed at that, but it was more a laugh of resignation and despair.

Modifié par billy the squid, 15 février 2012 - 04:00 .

[Il Divo]

txgoldrush wrote...



The leaders of Earth have grounded you and are demanding you answer for his actions while with Cerberus. Alone in your "cell," you gazes wistfully at the idyllic view of Vancouver, Earth's gleaming capital city.



The hearing begins and your are summoned; escorted from you cell by an elite young soldier, James. On the long walk you are accompanied by your mentor and friend, Admiral Anderson. Just as you are about to enter the hearing, your old friend (lover?) Ashley/Kaidan arrives; but there's little time for reminiscing as you are whisked inside. James and A/K wait outside while you face your accusers. The hearing is a witch hunt; nobody seems interested in the truth. Even with Anderson defending you, it's clear the leaders won't listen to reason.



Before the trial can conclude, your warnings are proven true as earth is rocked by the advanced guard of the Reaper forces. Chaos ensues as you and Anderson attempt to rendezvous with the Normandy and escape the carnage. Your initial plan is foiled and you're forced to find a new pickup location. Meanwhile, A/K and James find an alternate route and reach the Normandy ahead of you. As Reapers forces bear down on you and Anderson, the two veteran soldiers stand back to back to repel the overwhelming enemy numbers. At the last possible moment, the Normandy arrives; Alliance troops poor out of the Normandy, you leap on board and encourages Anderson to join him. Anderson refuses -- Earth needs him here! He vows to stay and fight while Shepard searches the galaxy for a way to defeat the Reapers once and for all. In the midst of the battle, Anderson grants you access to all Alliance military facilities... including the archives on Mars.



As the Reaper forces converge, you, A/K, Joker, and James blast away in the Normandy and head for Mars in search of answers.

=====

This was really just a small change

This is pretty much how I thought the intro was going to be.

[realguile]

Esquin wrote...

So the script gets leaked. And they choose to cut the parts that people actually liked? What the hell?

lol

Change we can believe in!

[deucemojo]

DJBare wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.



{smilie}

Well that is dissappointing. I know the game has gone gold but is it too late to add the trial scene? Or make it exclusive to those who completed the Arrival DLC? One can only hope.

[Dragoonlordz]

deucemojo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.



{smilie}

Well that is dissappointing. I know the game has gone gold but is it too late to add the trial scene? Or make it exclusive to those who completed the Arrival DLC? One can only hope.

It is too late to add it to the core game and I don't think a single person here is expecting them to recall and add it to that. But it does not mean it cannot be added at a later date (see my last response about this in this link on last paragraph).

[realguile]

Esquin wrote...

I had so much faith and in one motion it's been totally destroyed. I really want to be hopeful. I do. But it's getting more and more difficult.

it's just reality setting in. The game won't be even 50% of what you want, but it'll be fun if let it be.

[billy the squid]

deucemojo wrote...

Like some people already mentioned, there should have been a trial for those who completed the Arrival DLC and imported their character onto ME 3. A unique experience for the dedicated fan base.

I wish a dev/Chris would officially confirm that there is NO trial scene in the retail version....or perhaps the silence means there is one??

It didn't even have to be for the previous purchasers. Simply some explaination on the  current events and context would have gone a long way to easing new players into what is going on other than, the summation of. Shep on Earth, blows something up, talk to people, Reapers land. Chris has essentially confirmed ths is it, for a trial scene.

Context is important if you haven't played the first couple of games and I despair at the idea that marketing treats it's consumers as if they are troglodites who can't focus on something which isn't bright and flashy. Give you're base some credit for Christ sake. Even those who play CoD and Bf3 don't come to another enre and then complain it's not an FPS. It could very well have been the reason why they chose to play it, because it wasn't a CoD game. Rather we get a homogonisation of games.

Modifié par billy the squid, 15 février 2012 - 04:09 .

[DJBare]

deucemojo wrote...
Well that is dissappointing. I know the game has gone gold but is it too late to add the trial scene? Or make it exclusive to those who completed the Arrival DLC? One can only hope.

I assume they still have the assets, but I doubt very much they will consider it worth the time and expense to distribute it.

[KingSnake661]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

Then you're the kind of customer EA wants. No sense bogging players down with plot and character development when there are things to kill!

(Sorry I couldn't help it, I'm disappoineted at the opening- it's another bit of railroading and cut corners)

Ok, I know I'm a tool of the Man and all, but how so?

If you are a new player (haven't played ME1 or ME2) you learn who Shepard is, why he's on earth, what the Reaper threat is, and then the story begins.

If you are a continuing player (have played either or both of the previous games) you already know the plot and character development because you helped form it with your previous play throughs and the story picks up after ME2.

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?

Expetations.

We expected more from the opening.  We heard "Trial" and got all these cool ideas in our heads about Shepard standing in frount of a group of Allince brass, asking us questions, shooting actuations at us, about our past exparinces, and allowing use to defend ourselves in very paragon / reneguade ways.   Could have been an awsome way to recap the last 2 games in a manner that made perfect since for the start of the 3rd, and even allow new players to fill in some of the importent blanks they'll need to fill in to set up there game. 

So in essince we were just expecting something more.  What we got, as far as the demo goes, is, "There HERE."  "You warned us!"  "Now find allies and save us all!" 

Sure.  That covers the bases.... i guess.  But you guys ususally do better work then this.  I'm holding out hope there is something MORE in the retail version, since that version will have the ability to import a game and have all the little details and tid bits a demo wouldn't...  and there alittle, MORE to the opening then this.  If not... eh.   What can you do? 

[DJBare]

KingSnake661 wrote... I'm holding out hope there is something MORE in the retail version,

I suggest you do not, it will only add to your dissappointment.

[deucemojo]

DJBare wrote...

deucemojo wrote...
Well that is dissappointing. I know the game has gone gold but is it too late to add the trial scene? Or make it exclusive to those who completed the Arrival DLC? One can only hope.

I assume they still have the assets, but I doubt very much they will consider it worth the time and expense to distribute it.

I hope this thread has caught Bioware's attention as it stretches the 64 page mark. Even a DAY 1 "DLC patch" would work!

[Dragoonlordz]

DJBare wrote...

deucemojo wrote...
Well that is dissappointing. I know the game has gone gold but is it too late to add the trial scene? Or make it exclusive to those who completed the Arrival DLC? One can only hope.

I assume they still have the assets, but I doubt very much they will consider it worth the time and expense to distribute it.

That is the purpose of this thread as far as I am concerned, showing that lack of it disappointed some of us, that the rush to combat style introduction for a huge amount of people felt rushed as shown all over these forums. Maybe letting them know this they will more likely to in future release those assets.

If we obey txgolds ranting and raving attacks on us for being disappointed or expresssing ourselves like the little hitler he is, then that chance drops significantly. No one here expects it to be in the retail game because that chance has gone already, but as DLC (optional content) for those of us who do wish to take part and play/see those assets and increase the prologue to ME3 via that missing 6 months and trial it is simply the case of showing that we would like to have that via this thread and others.

A concept txgold can't seem to grasp.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 février 2012 - 04:18 .

[txgoldrush]

Esquin wrote...

So the script gets leaked. And they choose to cut the parts that people actually liked? What the hell?

and on the other side of the coin....the idiotic confrontation with Ash or Kaiden with Kai Leng on Thessia in the draft looks by the femshep trailer...cut...as Kaiden seems to be with Shepard during the mission and not at the end, in the trailer.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 15 février 2012 - 04:17 .

[Esquin]

deucemojo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

deucemojo wrote...
Well that is dissappointing. I know the game has gone gold but is it too late to add the trial scene? Or make it exclusive to those who completed the Arrival DLC? One can only hope.

I assume they still have the assets, but I doubt very much they will consider it worth the time and expense to distribute it.

I hope this thread has caught Bioware's attention as it stretches the 64 page mark. Even a DAY 1 "DLC patch" would work!

So you would be ok with buying a game without a begining?

I already got one incomplete game this year when I purchased Final Fantasy 13-2 and didn't get an ending. I'm not keen for a Mass Effect game taht jumps right into the second act.