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[Dragoonlordz]

On side note, was it just me that found the scrolling text at start explaining the story extremely grating? I'm guessing that is not included and part of the retail game. If is then wow, that is so tacky and bad borderline (imho) insulting. Three paragraphs to explain plot of last two titles and even then done badly. I am going to just jump to the assumption that specific element or part of demo is only for the demo for the sake of my sanity.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 février 2012 - 12:38 .

[TomekN86]

@kylecouch
I agree, after acton packed ME2 it would be great to have some breathing room at the beginning of ME3. I mean it was obvious from the moment the game was announced it would be an all out war with the Reapers. ME3 will have action galore, why not savour the calm before the storm, build suspense... and then BAM, Reapers invade... Now it's just POOF "They're here." Not saying it's bad, just for me it's, well, cheap.

[txgoldrush]

Yet, even more pages of idiotic freak out.

Why can't anyopne, you know, reserve judgement until the game is actually released? Why can't more people, like um, listen to the developers?

Ever thought that they may FLESH OUT THE INTRO AFTER ITS OVER!!!!!! Like on the Normandy on the way to Mars, that is just not in the demo. Hell, there may even have been a bridge comic that has the trial where new players can indeed make ME1 and ME2 choices...

The fact of the matter is THAT YOU CANNOT JUDGE THIS SEQUENCE BY THE DEMO ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You DON'T have enough context. What do you know, 70 pages of ridiculous pre judging of a piece of a picture, not the whole thing, out of context.

And really, the old version, the trial version, was really contrived. The Reapers just "happen" to attack in the trial. There is no build up, no word on their advance through Sol's system. Just an out of the blue attack. The current version opens with alliance command realizing their colonies have gone dark, then they ready the fleet to try and protect earth from this threat, then smartly instead of still having a stupid trial where accusations are thrown, instead we have a hearing of the commanders asking Shep whats going on, then Earth gets attacked. This is a far more realistic sequence than the "trial" version full of contrivance.

[2484Stryker]

TomekN86 wrote...

@kylecouch
I agree, after acton packed ME2 it would be great to have some breathing room at the beginning of ME3. I mean it was obvious from the moment the game was announced it would be an all out war with the Reapers. ME3 will have action galore, why not savour the calm before the storm, build suspense... and then BAM, Reapers invade... Now it's just POOF "They're here." Not saying it's bad, just for me it's, well, cheap.

Yet you'll find plenty of people who prefer this over a well-set up intro to arguably the most anticipated game of the year.  It's sad, really.

When I played through the demo the fourth time, I'm wondering "why am I on Earth?  How much time has passed?  Who is James Vega and why does he respect me?  What happened to the Normandy?"

Now, I obviously know the answers to these questions, but that's only because I've read literally every piece of news about ME3 and watched the majority of their youtube videos.  So unless Bioware is saying that keeping up with the news is a requirement to fully enjoying the game, then I want those questions answered IN-GAME.

[TheRevanchist]

Ok ppl...just ignore him in advance...srsly...if you refuse to respond he will get pissed off and leave...rather tierd of this guy interupting.

[Rudy Lis]

kylecouch wrote...

Well they told us the game opens at the end of the trial...did you see a trial anywhere? I sure as hell didn't.

Well, it was there, in courtroom, Just couple of minutes before we launch game, when Shepard already was returned to his room in "detention center" (WTF, why not "room"?) to watch new porn on extranet and sent some links to Anderson (thus that smile when they met in corridor) and here BAM - some muscle-guy rushes in and call Shepard back. Well, we all saw the rest.

[2484Stryker]

txgoldrush wrote...

Yet, even more pages of idiotic freak out.

Why can't anyopne, you know, reserve judgement until the game is actually released? Why can't more people, like um, listen to the developers?

Ever thought that they may FLESH OUT THE INTRO AFTER ITS OVER!!!!!! Like on the Normandy on the way to Mars, that is just not in the demo. Hell, there may even have been a bridge comic that has the trial where new players can indeed make ME1 and ME2 choices...

The fact of the matter is THAT YOU CANNOT JUDGE THIS SEQUENCE BY THE DEMO ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You DON'T have enough context. What do you know, 70 pages of ridiculous pre judging of a piece of a picture, not the whole thing, out of context.

Some of us are upset because apparently the intro and first level of the demo is pretty much what you get in the finished game.  This is from people who allegedly have played the finished product.

[RowanCF]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

On side note, was it just me that found the scrolling text at start explaining the story extremely grating? I'm guessing that is not included and part of the retail game. If is then wow, that is so tacky and bad borderline (imho) insulting. Three paragraphs to explain plot of last two titles and even then done badly. I am going to just jump to the assumption that specific element or part of demo is only for the demo for the sake of my sanity.

What the hell? Are you trolling or something? They did that exact same thing in the ME 2 intro, how you find that insulting is truly beyond me.

[Dragoonlordz]

txgoldrush wrote...

Yet, even more pages of idiotic freak out.

-snip-

No one feed this troll, you would achieve more by banging your head against a wall which would be more productive.

If wish to understand how achieved the rank of troll scroll back between pages 20-65 where everyone recieved nothing but attacks and no productive discussions.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 février 2012 - 12:52 .

[Rudy Lis]

2484Stryker wrote...

This is from people who allegedly have played the finished product.

I thought it was from people who made it.

[Dragoonlordz]

RowanCF wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

On side note, was it just me that found the scrolling text at start explaining the story extremely grating? I'm guessing that is not included and part of the retail game. If is then wow, that is so tacky and bad borderline (imho) insulting. Three paragraphs to explain plot of last two titles and even then done badly. I am going to just jump to the assumption that specific element or part of demo is only for the demo for the sake of my sanity.

What the hell? Are you trolling or something? They did that exact same thing in the ME 2 intro, how you find that insulting is truly beyond me.

It was poorly shown, lacked immense detail and was poorly written.

This is my subjective opinion on that aspect.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 février 2012 - 12:53 .

[Crackseed]

ME1 and ME2 did the scrolling intro text >.> So I'm not sure how that's a valid grumble.

While I'm alright with the Intro as is, I do wish they had taken the time to flesh it out a bit more before all hell broke loose, but it's not that big a deal breaker for me. It does mean, currently, that if I want to fuss with Shepard faces I won't have to sit through an long intro like ME2 to do it at least xD

[TheRevanchist]

Rudy Lis wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Well they told us the game opens at the end of the trial...did you see a trial anywhere? I sure as hell didn't.

Well, it was there, in courtroom, Just couple of minutes before we launch game, when Shepard already was returned to his room in "detention center" (WTF, why not "room"?) to watch new porn on extranet and sent some links to Anderson (thus that smile when they met in corridor) and here BAM - some muscle-guy rushes in and call Shepard back. Well, we all saw the rest.

No...the trial was totaly removed from the story...it was totaly coped out...it never happend. His Reaper knowledgfe gave him magic immunity.

[2484Stryker]

Rudy Lis wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

This is from people who allegedly have played the finished product.

I thought it was from people who made it.

I stand corrected.  Thanks.

[txgoldrush]

2484Stryker wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Yet, even more pages of idiotic freak out.

Why can't anyopne, you know, reserve judgement until the game is actually released? Why can't more people, like um, listen to the developers?

Ever thought that they may FLESH OUT THE INTRO AFTER ITS OVER!!!!!! Like on the Normandy on the way to Mars, that is just not in the demo. Hell, there may even have been a bridge comic that has the trial where new players can indeed make ME1 and ME2 choices...

The fact of the matter is THAT YOU CANNOT JUDGE THIS SEQUENCE BY THE DEMO ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You DON'T have enough context. What do you know, 70 pages of ridiculous pre judging of a piece of a picture, not the whole thing, out of context.

Some of us are upset because apparently the intro and first level of the demo is pretty much what you get in the finished game.  This is from people who allegedly have played the finished product.

and yet people just don't get that maybe they flesh out elements of the intro AFTER they leave Earth, after the demo ends....its easy common sense missed 70 pages long.

[CaptainZaysh]

I can't believe you guys are still agitating to kick off a space opera with a courtroom drama. Did you guys prefer The Phantom Menace to A New Hope or something?

[Rudy Lis]

kylecouch wrote...

No...the trial was totaly removed from the story...it was totaly coped out...it never happend. His Reaper knowledgfe gave him magic immunity.

Well, I guess my poker-face jokes multiplied by foreign language failed at the end.

I was kidding, actually (in previous post). You know, gallows humour. Sort of.

Dragoonlordz wrote...

you would achieve more by banging your head against a wall which would be more productive.

Are you stalking me? Yesterday I just broke some drywall sheet with my head. Not intentionally, it just fell on me, actually.

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If wish to understand how achieved the rank of troll scroll back between pages 20-65 where everyone recieved nothing but attacks and no productive discussions.

Well, as honest man I need to say that he helped me to solve some issues with Fallout 1 and children there.

2484Stryker wrote...

I stand corrected. Thanks.

No problems, glad to help. We are all in same boat here.

txgoldrush wrote...

and yet people just don't get that maybe they flesh out elements of the intro AFTER they leave Earth, after the demo ends....its easy common sense missed 70 pages long.

If memory serves, ME2 demo had ingame intro, telling us what happened. Or I'm wrong?

CaptainZaysh wrote...

I can't believe you guys are still agitating to kick off a space opera with a courtroom drama. Did you guys prefer The Phantom Menace to A New Hope or something?

NWN2 had trial. For me it was (and still is) one of most thrilling (at least emotionally) moments in entire game. And that with "typical Obsidan approach". Should Bioware use all their talent to recycle that scene they could do much better than DAO Landsmeet (it was just pale shadow of NWN2 trial) and much better than NWN2 trial itself.
I wasn't disappointed by Tali's quest, I think I can handle 20 minutes of talking. Especially if thats "done right" kind of talking, not just "Kojima sprained your jaw" one.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 16 février 2012 - 01:08 .

[txgoldrush]

kylecouch wrote...

Rudy Lis wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Well they told us the game opens at the end of the trial...did you see a trial anywhere? I sure as hell didn't.

Well, it was there, in courtroom, Just couple of minutes before we launch game, when Shepard already was returned to his room in "detention center" (WTF, why not "room"?) to watch new porn on extranet and sent some links to Anderson (thus that smile when they met in corridor) and here BAM - some muscle-guy rushes in and call Shepard back. Well, we all saw the rest.

No...the trial was totaly removed from the story...it was totaly coped out...it never happend. His Reaper knowledgfe gave him magic immunity.

No, 2 minutes of Shepard and the human council arguing over whether the Reapers existed or not has been altered to a "what do we do" moment. There was no big trial scene.

[Cainne Chapel]

You do know that there's plenty of exposition that can happen AFTER Shepard gets off earth right?

Why would they need to pack story elements into the demo when they WANT you to buy the game for that?

There's no need for it in the demo, because its a frikken DEMO. You play it to generate interest and to hopefully in the companies eyes, generate enough interest to buy the game.

and with a story heavy game like the ME series is... why give away story in the demo?

There's absolutely no reason to go into detail about why shep is where he is, who is vega, who is kaidan or ashley, etc etc.

Ideally Bioware would WANT people to want to know more and thus by the game and find out.

Modifié par Cainne Chapel, 16 février 2012 - 01:09 .

[RowanCF]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

RowanCF wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

On side note, was it just me that found the scrolling text at start explaining the story extremely grating? I'm guessing that is not included and part of the retail game. If is then wow, that is so tacky and bad borderline (imho) insulting. Three paragraphs to explain plot of last two titles and even then done badly. I am going to just jump to the assumption that specific element or part of demo is only for the demo for the sake of my sanity.

What the hell? Are you trolling or something? They did that exact same thing in the ME 2 intro, how you find that insulting is truly beyond me.

It was poorly shown, lacked immense detail and was poorly written.

This is my subjective opinion on that aspect.

Lol of course it lacked detail, did you want them to copy and paste the entire "plot" section from wikipedia for the first 2 games there? If you want detail you should play the first two games.

[Klijpope]

kylecouch wrote...
Except...when the game opens...the galaxy is not AT war...that seems to be the key people are missing...there IS no danger in the opening moments, Earth is...as far as anyone knows, just as peaceful as ever...theres no reason NOT to have calm and collected business as normal behavior.

That's not the point. I'd like something like that too, at some point. But right at the beginning of the game? A game where loads of the marketing have been about a Galaxy at War?

I'm not denying a trial would be fun. But it is not an appropriate way to begin a game like ME, and especially not ME3.

CaptainZaysh wrote...

I can't believe you guys are still agitating to kick off a space opera with a courtroom drama. Did you guys prefer The Phantom Menace to A New Hope or something?

^ This


Also, note that game grammar dictates the first level of a game is some kind of tutorial to let you get the basics of the gameplay. A lengthy trial doesn't do that for the combat mechanics, and nor does it let people into the dialogue system gently.

Modifié par Klijpope, 16 février 2012 - 01:13 .

[Rudy Lis]

txgoldrush wrote...

No, 2 minutes of Shepard and the human council arguing over whether the Reapers existed or not has been altered to a "what do we do" moment. There was no big trial scene.

Really? That was all? That's hilarious.

Cainne Chapel wrote...

There's no need for it in the demo, because its a frikken DEMO.

Demo from what word? Demonstration? I.E. showing you "what's what". Letting you to appraise product and "help" you to make right decision to buy it. Like cars' test-drives, right? Imagine your dealer allows you test-drive, but he will start and speed up and allow you to use only 2nd and 5th gears.
ME had strong story. I see no story there. It just happened I haven't play ME2 prior demo. I played demo and bought game. And all DLCs for it, suits excluded. That was ME2 demo effect on me. ME3 demo has no effect. Should I base my appraisal on ME 3 demo only, I wouldn't pre-order it. I probably waited for years, tried game at my friends first only then, when sale hit, bought it. Like I did with DA2.

Klijpope wrote...

Also, note that game grammar dictates the first level of a game is some kind of tutorial to let you get the basics of the gameplay. A lengthy trial doesn't do that for the combat mechanics, and nor does it let people into the dialogue system gently.

Riddick. Escape from Butcher bay. Tutorial was given as Riddick's sleep, game started later.
Tutorial can be given as stand-alone mode, like in HL1 or ArmA. I didn't die playing them. I find them rather funny and entertaining.
I doubt that escape scene from ME3 demo was Shepard's dream. Maybe it is, of course, and maybe in full game we will see, from first person view, how Shepard being escorted to gallows to be shot by firing squad and than we will see Reapers. Maybe.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 16 février 2012 - 01:22 .

[Dragoonlordz]

RowanCF wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

RowanCF wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

On side note, was it just me that found the scrolling text at start explaining the story extremely grating? I'm guessing that is not included and part of the retail game. If is then wow, that is so tacky and bad borderline (imho) insulting. Three paragraphs to explain plot of last two titles and even then done badly. I am going to just jump to the assumption that specific element or part of demo is only for the demo for the sake of my sanity.

What the hell? Are you trolling or something? They did that exact same thing in the ME 2 intro, how you find that insulting is truly beyond me.

It was poorly shown, lacked immense detail and was poorly written.

This is my subjective opinion on that aspect.

Lol of course it lacked detail, did you want them to copy and paste the entire "plot" section from wikipedia for the first 2 games there? If you want detail you should play the first two games.

At least in ME2 we had TiM and Miranda doing this aspect, explaining what happened prior.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 février 2012 - 01:20 .

[Rudy Lis]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

At least in ME2 we had TiM and Miranda doing this aspect, explaining what happened prior.

I guess here we will have Vega, "telling us story, and explaining how he ended up there and met Shepard".

[Dragoonlordz]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Demo from what word? Demonstration? I.E. showing you "what's what". Letting you to appraise product and "help" you to make right decision to buy it. Like cars' test-drives, right? Imagine your dealer allows you test-drive, but he will start and speed up and allow you to use only 2nd and 5th gears.

More akin to you get in the car alongside the dealer, he is in the driving seat (bit like the auto responses from Shepard in ME3 where you are not the one in control). He then speeds up to 120 miles per hour and then leaps from the car while your in the passenger seat without warning. This ultimately leads to you crashing and burning.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 février 2012 - 01:26 .