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[Dean_the_Young]

DJBare wrote...

Spartan901 wrote...

Wow this is going 73 pages deep huh

This is what happens when you say something and then do not deliver, Bioware tell the press the game would open with a trial, then we learn the game opens at the end of the trial, oh well, I'm certain I'm still going to enjoy the game(hopefully), what I find amazing is devs know it's a minefield to say anything before they have something solid.

Define 'solid' until release date. It's pretty clear they had an intent that didn't pan out.

Same thing happened with Legion.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 16 février 2012 - 03:19 .

[Gorosaur]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

So, I went back to watch the intro of the leaked beta. Guess what? Anderson, during some exposition, explicitly explains what Shepard did to get in this situation. The parts of the conversation this is mentioned in is cut from the official demo.

That's nice, but it's got even more autodialogue. Still frustrating. 

[TheRevanchist]

20 minute trial scene? Please...stop being over dramatic...NO ONE is asking for that..

[JeffZero]

Gorosaur wrote...

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

So, I went back to watch the intro of the leaked beta. Guess what? Anderson, during some exposition, explicitly explains what Shepard did to get in this situation. The parts of the conversation this is mentioned in is cut from the official demo.

That's nice, but it's got even more autodialogue. Still frustrating. 

Surely. It will be much more enjoyable hearing the batarian incident specifically mentioned though. Much more.

Modifié par JeffZero, 16 février 2012 - 03:20 .

[izmirtheastarach]

kylecouch wrote...

20 minute trial scene? Please...stop being over dramatic...NO ONE is asking for that..

Yeah, I don't know where that idea came from. None of us that kicked of this thread were asking for that. Just some acknowledgement of what happened would be enough. Seems like there are no actual consequences for killing 300,000 Batarians. That's weird.

[Klijpope]

Well the intro we have is already about 5 minutes. A trial to cover all the ground of the last two games in any meaningful way could take longer than 20 minutes. If it can't be meaningful, why have it?

[DJBare]

Klijpope wrote...
No Earth Invasion movie has ever started with a 20 minute courtroom drama scene. Ever.

I've probably missed the context of this discussion, so forgive if I have, but a lot of earth invasion movies normally start out with "supposedly" funny awkward attractions between the star and co-star or the hero and heroin start out hating each other, where your saying to yourself "get on with the fraking movie!"; and that I wholly understand, it's not drama, but television has shown that the majority of people love a good courtroom drama even when it's crindgeworthy, after the events of arrival a court room drama would have been very popular, not that I needed to say it, the votes already show it.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Gorosaur wrote...

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

So, I went back to watch the intro of the leaked beta. Guess what? Anderson, during some exposition, explicitly explains what Shepard did to get in this situation. The parts of the conversation this is mentioned in is cut from the official demo.

That's nice, but it's got even more autodialogue. Still frustrating. 

Please tell me what else Shepard could've said  in any of the scenarios that would've made a difference.  Hell, even the options present in the meeting room were a waste since the differences there were negligible.  The only real tonal change came when Shepard boarded the ship.  All dialog choices before that weren't necessary at all.

Not to mention, crap was cut to make the demo fit within Microsoft's 2GB demo limit.  Don't complain about the auto-dialog in the demo.  Complain in a few weeks when nothing changes.

[CaptainZaysh]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Yeah, I don't know where that idea came from. None of us that kicked of this thread were asking for that. Just some acknowledgement of what happened would be enough. Seems like there are no actual consequences for killing 300,000 Batarians. That's weird.

That's because mere minutes after you escaped batarian space, the Reapers arrived and you dropped a few places on their priority list.  Did you really not figure that out?

[TheRevanchist]

Who says it cant be meaningful? Besides...no need to cover EVERYTHING...just the Cerberus and Arrival stuff...which is really THE REASON YOUR THERE.

And just because THEY are too busy does not mean The Alliance is going to ignore what is still a Morally dark thing to do, no matter how justified.

Modifié par kylecouch, 16 février 2012 - 03:27 .

[CaptainZaysh]

DJBare wrote...

...but television has shown that the majority of people love a good courtroom drama even when it's crindgeworthy, after the events of arrival a court room drama would have been very popular, not that I needed to say it, the votes already show it.

There's a reason they tend to save the trial scene for the end.

Also the only votes that matter are the sales figures.  All this moaning over a scene that was a stupid idea to begin with is irrelevant.

[TMA LIVE]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

They could of even put it in the text crawl "But after destroying an entire batarian colony, the Commander was placed on house arrest. Awaiting his trial."

Well it can't say awaiting trial because we already missed out on it as soon as game starts.

The point is saying that it was going to happen, but then Reapers appeared.

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Adding even that amended version to the text crawl would not work in
sense would create even more confusion from the perspective of the
player going oh ok the trial happened in the previous game.

No it wouldn't. He's awaiting his trial in the third game. Why would anyone think a trial is going to happen in the second game when the text crawl says it was going to happen in the third game. The game you're about to play right now.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 16 février 2012 - 03:26 .

[izmirtheastarach]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

That's because mere minutes after you escaped batarian space, the Reapers arrived and you dropped a few places on their priority list.  Did you really not figure that out?

Um...What? The relay is destroyed. The Reapers don't arrive for another 6 months. What game were you playing? They have no way to leave that system except FTL drive.

Also, Hackett literally tells you there will be a trial.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 16 février 2012 - 03:27 .

[DJBare]

Klijpope wrote...

Well the intro we have is already about 5 minutes. A trial to cover all the ground of the last two games in any meaningful way could take longer than 20 minutes. If it can't be meaningful, why have it?

You know what I love about software?, it can be programmed, in other words the trial could be skipped by those who wish to.

[Dean_the_Young]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Yeah, I don't know where that idea came from. None of us that kicked of this thread were asking for that. Just some acknowledgement of what happened would be enough. Seems like there are no actual consequences for killing 300,000 Batarians. That's weird.

That's because mere minutes after you escaped batarian space, the Reapers arrived and you dropped a few places on their priority list.  Did you really not figure that out?

I disagree, because we don't know where the rest of Batarian space is. With the Mass Relays, it could be anywhere in the galaxy.

The only space intrensically close to the Alpha Relay is the colonies reached from that one particular side.

[Gorosaur]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

Gorosaur wrote...

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

So, I went back to watch the intro of the leaked beta. Guess what? Anderson, during some exposition, explicitly explains what Shepard did to get in this situation. The parts of the conversation this is mentioned in is cut from the official demo.

That's nice, but it's got even more autodialogue. Still frustrating. 

Please tell me what else Shepard could've said  in any of the scenarios that would've made a difference.  Hell, even the options present in the meeting room were a waste since the differences there were negligible.  The only real tonal change came when Shepard boarded the ship.  All dialog choices before that weren't necessary at all.

Not to mention, crap was cut to make the demo fit within Microsoft's 2GB demo limit.  Don't complain about the auto-dialog in the demo.  Complain in a few weeks when nothing changes.

I was watching it from the old Beta actually. I would just like the option to choose what I say. It feels decidedly un-Mass Effect to have Shepard spend long periods talking without player input.

[CaptainZaysh]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Um...What? The relay is destroyed. The Reapers don't arrive for another 6 months. What game were you playing?

The Reapers don't arrive on Earth for that period of time.  If they travelled straight here, where d'you think they got the batarian husks?

izmirtheastarach wrote...
Also, Hackett literally tells you there will be a trial.

Hackett is literally wrong.

[Dragoonlordz]

Why people keep bringing up movies (imho) is rather redundant, you do not interact with a movie, the character is not yours and the story is forced upon you in a linear fashion where you made no choice so expect no consequences for making any. The trial is one way of people adding to the cohesion between titles and adding to the interactions between others on Earth in it's normal (non ruins) state. Shepard has apparently been there for 6 months, we were there for 5-10 minutes.

We are force fed most replies during that time and the couple we do get to make do nothing at all, within 1 second after making that reply your back to fed dialogue with no input or impact. We did not get to see anything of Earth before it is turned into ruin except a single look out a window at a child and the rest of the time just a couple rooms and a corridor before the place is in ruins all of which you have no control and no input into where you go or what you do.

I personally have "preference" and desire to have had more interaction and more control, exploration and reactions from the people there. A trial would do this. I am under no illusion that somehow it will magically be added to retail as it won't, but this does not change my preference and the 300+ others shown in poll I created who all wished to have had more freedom and control during this part of the game, more interactions, dialogue and reactions to your past deeds from the people you meet while there prior to the attack, more exposition and all from prior to place in ruins and everyone dying.

Because I know it will not appear in the retail it does not mean my disappointment is not valid and personally I would even be willing to buy DLC which would cover content from the 6 months you have apparently been on Earth and inclusive of the actual trial content too. Call it "Prelude to Destruction" for all I care but the content I wish to experience, take part in, interact within and play I would buy even if released at a later date. I would still not be happy that was not present in the retail but I would still buy.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 février 2012 - 03:34 .

[TheRevanchist]

Gorosaur wrote...

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

Gorosaur wrote...

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

So, I went back to watch the intro of the leaked beta. Guess what? Anderson, during some exposition, explicitly explains what Shepard did to get in this situation. The parts of the conversation this is mentioned in is cut from the official demo.

That's nice, but it's got even more autodialogue. Still frustrating. 

Please tell me what else Shepard could've said  in any of the scenarios that would've made a difference.  Hell, even the options present in the meeting room were a waste since the differences there were negligible.  The only real tonal change came when Shepard boarded the ship.  All dialog choices before that weren't necessary at all.

Not to mention, crap was cut to make the demo fit within Microsoft's 2GB demo limit.  Don't complain about the auto-dialog in the demo.  Complain in a few weeks when nothing changes.

I was watching it from the old Beta actually. I would just like the option to choose what I say. It feels decidedly un-Mass Effect to have Shepard spend long periods talking without player input.

Pretty much...of course following their logic...theres no need for choice ever...since most dialogue is never drasticlly different.

[izmirtheastarach]

Yep.

[DJBare]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

There's a reason they tend to save the trial scene for the end.

Also the only votes that matter are the sales figures.  All this moaning over a scene that was a stupid idea to begin with is irrelevant.

Opinion, to which you are of course entitled.

[izmirtheastarach]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Hackett is literally wrong.

Apparently.

[Dragoonlordz]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Adding even that amended version to the text crawl would not work in sense would create even more confusion from the perspective of the player going oh ok the trial happened in the previous game.

No it wouldn't. He's awaiting his trial in the third game. Why would anyone think a trial is going to happen in the second game when the text crawl says it was going to happen in the third game. The game you're about to play right now.

No he is not awaiting trial in the third game at all, did you not play the demo? It was not in the game.

[txgoldrush]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I love how txgoldrush was apparently present for all of Bioware's internal story meetings. And is, as such, the final authority on what works and what doesn't.

I urge people to stop trying to argue with this person. I have never seen anyone more arrogant on these forums.

And yet I saw the major script leak of the first draft.......the "trial" was all a blame game.

Its quite obvious why it was altered.

[izmirtheastarach]

txgoldrush wrote...

And yet I saw the major script leak of the first draft.......the "trial" was all a blame game.

Its quite obvious why it was altered.

Yes. WE GET IT! It was altered because you didn't like it, and you are the decider of all things. Do you ever shut up? 

OTHER PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH YOU. i KNOW THIS IS A HARD CONCEPT FOR YOU.

Once again, you are so arrogant that it boggles the mind. My mind is literally boggled.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 16 février 2012 - 03:34 .