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[DJBare]

TMA LIVE wrote...
No it wouldn't. He's awaiting his trial in the third game. Why would anyone think a trial is going to happen in the second game when the text crawl says it was going to happen in the third game. The game you're about to play right now.

There is NO trial, ME3 begins at the end of the trial.

[Klijpope]

DJBare wrote...
...after the events of arrival a court room drama would have been very popular, not that I needed to say it, the votes already show it.

I would have enjoyed it too, if done well. But still would have found it a very peculiar way to start a story about killer robots from outer space. Courtroom drama a particularly formal way to tell a story, and they are stuffed with things like procedure and you need to develop the defence and prosecution teams, not just the defendant/witnesses. And tv shows featuring trials tend to be about lawyers not space marines. 

kylecouch wrote...

Who says it cant be meaningful? Besides...no need to cover EVERYTHING...just the Cerberus and Arrival stuff...which is really THE REASON YOUR THERE.

I'd want any trial sequence to be more than just a name check to a few key events. Done well a trial sequence needs to delve into motivations, and without a decent chunk of time would be just tokenistic and irrelevent. Even just Cerberus and Arrival would need a lot of dialogue to do justice too.

Example: Tali's trial is actually quite long, with all the meeting the principal players in it, and that's without fighting the Geth to break it up.

Shepard's trial would make a good trailer though...

Modifié par Klijpope, 16 février 2012 - 03:39 .

[TMA LIVE]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Adding even that amended version to the text crawl would not work in sense would create even more confusion from the perspective of the player going oh ok the trial happened in the previous game.

No it wouldn't. He's awaiting his trial in the third game. Why would anyone think a trial is going to happen in the second game when the text crawl says it was going to happen in the third game. The game you're about to play right now.

No he is not awaiting trial in the third game at all, did you not play the demo? It was not in the game.

I'm saying he could be, and suggested in a crawl. Did you not get that at all?

[TMA LIVE]

DJBare wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
No it wouldn't. He's awaiting his trial in the third game. Why would anyone think a trial is going to happen in the second game when the text crawl says it was going to happen in the third game. The game you're about to play right now.

There is NO trial, ME3 begins at the end of the trial.

Make up you mind. First you say no trial, suggesting it never happened. And now you're saying we're at the end of it.

[izmirtheastarach]

DJBare wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
No it wouldn't. He's awaiting his trial in the third game. Why would anyone think a trial is going to happen in the second game when the text crawl says it was going to happen in the third game. The game you're about to play right now.

There is NO trial, ME3 begins at the end of the trial.

What trial? Anderson say there was no trial. Where was the end? Did you see it? Can you point it out to me?

[txgoldrush]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

And yet I saw the major script leak of the first draft.......the "trial" was all a blame game.

Its quite obvious why it was altered.

Yes. WE GET IT! It was altered because you didn't like it, and you are the decider of all things. Do you ever shut up? 

OTHER PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH YOU. i KNOW THIS IS A HARD CONCEPT FOR YOU.

Once again, you are so arrogant that it boggles the mind. My mind is literally boggled.

WRONG!!!!

It was altered because Bioware's story staff didn't like it.

Face it, they changed it for a reason.

[TheRevanchist]

Klijpope wrote...

DJBare wrote...
...after the events of arrival a court room drama would have been very popular, not that I needed to say it, the votes already show it.

I would have enjoyed it too, if done well. But still would have found it a very peculiar way to start a story about killer robots from outer space. Courtroom drama a particularly formal way to tell a story, and they are stuffed with things like procedure and you need to develop the defence and prosecution teams, not just the defendant/witnesses. And tv shows featuring trials tend to be about lawyers not space marines. 

kylecouch wrote...

Who says it cant be meaningful? Besides...no need to cover EVERYTHING...just the Cerberus and Arrival stuff...which is really THE REASON YOUR THERE.

I'd want any trial sequence to be more than just a name check to a few key events. Done well a trial sequence needs to delve into motivations, and without a decent chunk of time would be just tokenistic and irrelevent. Even just Cerberus and Arrival would need a lot of dialogue to do justice too.

Example: Tali's trial is actually quite long, with all the meeting the principal players in it, and that's without fighting the Geth to break it up.

Shepard's trial would make a good trailer though...

And you could always...ya know...skip it...if it bothers you.

[Dean_the_Young]

DJBare wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

There's a reason they tend to save the trial scene for the end.

Also the only votes that matter are the sales figures.  All this moaning over a scene that was a stupid idea to begin with is irrelevant.

Opinion, to which you are of course entitled.

I'd argue that it's hard to dispute that it's a heavily flawed idea, since the entire Arrival plotline was nothing more than an excuse to have Shepard on Earth, and has been otherwise irrelevant.

If Arrival had played into the Batarian plotline, that would have made it relevant to the wider plot, but if the Leaks were true then the Batarians are irrelevant. Arrival was entirely unnecessary, and Shepard being on Earth could have been an entirely separate trial (working with Cerberus, canonical ME2 experience), or just briefing people on the Reapers because Anderson convinced some people (working with Retribution).


Getting Shepard in Big Trouble only to forget the Big Trouble and wave aside not only the consequences, but the process, is pretty stupid.

[izmirtheastarach]

txgoldrush wrote...

WRONG!!!!

It was altered because Bioware's story staff didn't like it.

Face it, they changed it for a reason.

Yes, and we all know what that reason is. Not the one you are peddling, but the real one.

[Comsky159]

DJBare wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
No it wouldn't. He's awaiting his trial in the third game. Why would anyone think a trial is going to happen in the second game when the text crawl says it was going to happen in the third game. The game you're about to play right now.

There is NO trial, ME3 begins at the end of the trial.

It's quite a feat to both make a point and then blatantly contradict yourself in a mere 12 words.

Modifié par Comsky159, 16 février 2012 - 03:38 .

[TMA LIVE]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

DJBare wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

There's a reason they tend to save the trial scene for the end.

Also the only votes that matter are the sales figures.  All this moaning over a scene that was a stupid idea to begin with is irrelevant.

Opinion, to which you are of course entitled.

I'd argue that it's hard to dispute that it's a heavily flawed idea, since the entire Arrival plotline was nothing more than an excuse to have Shepard on Earth, and has been otherwise irrelevant.

If Arrival had played into the Batarian plotline, that would have made it relevant to the wider plot, but if the Leaks were true then the Batarians are irrelevant. Arrival was entirely unnecessary, and Shepard being on Earth could have been an entirely separate trial (working with Cerberus, canonical ME2 experience), or just briefing people on the Reapers because Anderson convinced some people (working with Retribution).


Getting Shepard in Big Trouble only to forget the Big Trouble and wave aside not only the consequences, but the process, is pretty stupid.

I 1000% agree.

[Destroydacre]

I'm actually glad that the trial was cut as Shepard being on trial at earth for crimes committed against the batarian hagemony in batarian space made absolutely zero sense. Now I can just pretend like he's on earth for some other reason. I hope there is no reference to the trial at any point in the game.

[Il Divo]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I'd argue that it's hard to dispute that it's a heavily flawed idea, since the entire Arrival plotline was nothing more than an excuse to have Shepard on Earth, and has been otherwise irrelevant.

If Arrival had played into the Batarian plotline, that would have made it relevant to the wider plot, but if the Leaks were true then the Batarians are irrelevant. Arrival was entirely unnecessary, and Shepard being on Earth could have been an entirely separate trial (working with Cerberus, canonical ME2 experience), or just briefing people on the Reapers because Anderson convinced some people (working with Retribution).


Getting Shepard in Big Trouble only to forget the Big Trouble and wave aside not only the consequences, but the process, is pretty stupid.

Agreed.

[TheRevanchist]

Destroydacre wrote...

I'm actually glad that the trial was cut as Shepard being on trial at earth for crimes committed against the batarian hagemony in batarian space made absolutely zero sense. Now I can just pretend like he's on earth for some other reason. I hope there is no reference to the trial at any point in the game.

Yes...because it makes zero sense to arrest Balak for trying to destroy a human planet in human terrirtory.

[Dragoonlordz]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Adding even that amended version to the text crawl would not work in sense would create even more confusion from the perspective of the player going oh ok the trial happened in the previous game.

No it wouldn't. He's awaiting his trial in the third game. Why would anyone think a trial is going to happen in the second game when the text crawl says it was going to happen in the third game. The game you're about to play right now.

No he is not awaiting trial in the third game at all, did you not play the demo? It was not in the game.

I'm saying he could be, and suggested in a crawl. Did you not get that at all?

You do realise what your actually saying is you want the trial in the game just like we do but you also want the text crawl to mention this on top.

Because if that is not what your saying then you have lost me because makes no sense. You said originally "But after destroying an entire batarian colony, the Commander was placed on house arrest. Awaiting his trial." in the text crawl. My response was would not work unless trial is present in ME3 failing that then would indicate to the player since not in ME3 that it must have been in ME2. Of which when they buy ME2 they would be disappointed at it not existing in there either, passing the problem of lack of cohesion and exposition to the previous title but still exists and would still cause confusion for them.

Now maybe I misunderstood you and your avocating both trial to be in ME3 on top of adding to the text crawl because if not then what I said (imho) was true. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 février 2012 - 03:47 .

[DJBare]

TMA LIVE wrote...

DJBare wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
No it wouldn't. He's awaiting his trial in the third game. Why would anyone think a trial is going to happen in the second game when the text crawl says it was going to happen in the third game. The game you're about to play right now.

There is NO trial, ME3 begins at the end of the trial.

Make up you mind. First you say no trial, suggesting it never happened. And now you're saying we're at the end of it.

Oh dear, I did not realize I'd have to spell it out, my appologies, the trial is implied, you just won't be seeing it.

[Klijpope]

kylecouch wrote...

And you could always...ya know...skip it...if it bothers you.

If it's skippable then it is the very definition of irrelevant.


A good case for some DLC though, as an optional prologue, if it is worth the expense of all the VA.

[izmirtheastarach]

DJBare wrote...

Oh dear, I did not realize I'd have to spell it out, my appologies, the trial is implied, you just won't be seeing it.

When exactly was it implied?

Anderson said......

any other soldier would have been tried, court martialed, and discharged.

Was he tried, or not? It doesn't sound like it.

No need for rudeness, if you see something we're all missing here, just point it out.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 16 février 2012 - 03:45 .

[TMA LIVE]

Destroydacre wrote...

I'm actually glad that the trial was cut as Shepard being on trial at earth for crimes committed against the batarian hagemony in batarian space made absolutely zero sense. Now I can just pretend like he's on earth for some other reason. I hope there is no reference to the trial at any point in the game.

Meh. Being on Earth could be explained. If the trial was on the Batarian home would, they'd rip Shepard apart. The Alliance could force the trial on Earth for the sake of protecting Shepard, and force the Batarians to play ball if they want Shepard, period, without going to war to obtain him.

[DJBare]

Klijpope wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

And you could always...ya know...skip it...if it bothers you.

If it's skippable then it is the very definition of irrelevant.

Not to those of us who want to partake.

[Dragoonlordz]

txgoldrush wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

And yet I saw the major script leak of the first draft.......the "trial" was all a blame game.

Its quite obvious why it was altered.

Yes. WE GET IT! It was altered because you didn't like it, and you are the decider of all things. Do you ever shut up? 

OTHER PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH YOU. i KNOW THIS IS A HARD CONCEPT FOR YOU.

Once again, you are so arrogant that it boggles the mind. My mind is literally boggled.

WRONG!!!!

It was altered because Bioware's story staff didn't like it.

Face it, they changed it for a reason.

Just leave this here shall I? A reason large amount people here (whatever that reason would be) disagree with.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 février 2012 - 03:45 .

[TheRevanchist]

Klijpope wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

And you could always...ya know...skip it...if it bothers you.

If it's skippable then it is the very definition of irrelevant.


A good case for some DLC though, as an optional prologue, if it is worth the expense of all the VA.

All conversations in the game are skipable...I guess that makes all conversations irrelevent? 

[TMA LIVE]

DJBare wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

DJBare wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
No it wouldn't. He's awaiting his trial in the third game. Why would anyone think a trial is going to happen in the second game when the text crawl says it was going to happen in the third game. The game you're about to play right now.

There is NO trial, ME3 begins at the end of the trial.

Make up you mind. First you say no trial, suggesting it never happened. And now you're saying we're at the end of it.

Oh dear, I did not realize I'd have to spell it out, my appologies, the trial is implied, you just won't be seeing it.

Where is it implied?

We see Shepard in a detection room. That's it.

[TMA LIVE]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

DJBare wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
No it wouldn't. He's awaiting his trial in the third game. Why would anyone think a trial is going to happen in the second game when the text crawl says it was going to happen in the third game. The game you're about to play right now.

There is NO trial, ME3 begins at the end of the trial.

Make up you mind. First you say no trial, suggesting it never happened. And now you're saying we're at the end of it.

You do realise what your actually saying is you want the trial in the game just like we do but you also want the text crwal to mention this on top.

I'm saying I want it more implied.

What don't you understand about that?

If I had to choose no mention of a trial happening or going to happen at all, vs mention of a trial happening or going to happen. I'd choose more mentioned. Like in a crawl.

[izmirtheastarach]

Seems like this thread has deteriorated into a bunch of smaller arguments between people who actually want the same thing.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 16 février 2012 - 03:51 .