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[TheRevanchist]

Klijpope wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

And the taste we got was foul and slightly sour. That does not make us wrong.

Now that's a blatant overreaction. Vague and a bit clunky, for the opening few minutes - but then some quality squad interaction on Sur'Kesh. Hardly foul.

Really? All I got from Sur'Kesh is just more inane combat sections that we've seen a hundred times.  

[Hunter of Legends]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Can you guys not wait until the full game is out before doing all of this?

Wait for the full game before being confused by the demo? No...I don't think people can do that.

*sigh* I give up.

This is about as useful as "arguing" with those guys who think the writing is bad.

Or that ME1 is flawless.

[izmirtheastarach]

Klijpope wrote...

If you really think through how a trial sequence would need to be structured and the amount of dialogue needed to feel satisfying, it would need to be at least as long as Tali's and that was broken up with a combat mission.

All I would need to be satisfied is for some bureaucrat to make some accusations, for Anderson and Shepard to say a few lines in his defense, and then the Reapers can invade. Why is this so much different from what is already there? Instead of being brought into the hearing room for no reason, you would be brought in to answer to some charges. Doesn't change the structure of the demo all that much, does it?

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 16 février 2012 - 04:26 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

*sigh* I give up.

This is about as useful as "arguing" with those guys who think the writing is bad.

Or that ME1 is flawless.

It is always fairly pointless to argue with people, when the basis of the argument is you trying tell them their opinion is wrong. No one in this thread is trying to convince you that yours is. Just that we disagree. I'm pretty sure we do.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 16 février 2012 - 04:28 .

[Dragoonlordz]

txgoldrush wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
stuff

Again, if you ever payed any attention to what I say, you'd know that I am not criticizing the game. All I have ever said here is that I was disappointed with the lack of a trial. That's it, that's all. I've told you this directly multiple times. You're really quite dense.

Go attack someone who says the game is crap and Bioware is failing, or betraying their loyal fans, or whatever. I am not that person. For realls. I spent two hours today played ME3 Multiplayer. It's great. The game will be too. How clear can I be about this?

And yet people are attacking Bioware, calling them similiar to failing, threatening to cancel preorders, call it for the cOD crowd etc, because of a cut scene in the game....this thread has this.

I was disappointed by  a couple of stuff in the leak, but I am going to wait and see to judge than throw a tantrum like many of the posters in this thread.

Quit trolling, noone in here did this. STFU already spreading lies and misinformation about the content of what has been said in this thread. Stop trying to project your own issues onto everyone else when they have said no such thing in here. There was one  maybe two people who used the CoD term but none of the other underlined stuff has been happening. At least for past around 60+ pages I have been here.

You came in this thread trolling from the offset and clearly haven't changed that stance. 

Also I am forced to repeat the only one who came in here throwing tantrums was you and one other who like you was throwing tantrums at the rest of the people in here because your preference was not the same as theirs.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 février 2012 - 06:52 .

[DJBare]

TMA LIVE wrote...
And you don't get that I know it's been cut.

I think they should have at least implied a trial was or is going to happen in ME3. But Reapers appearing changed things.

Instead of not having any reference of a trial happening or going to happen, as you see it now.

If you don't want to understand that, that's your problem.

Why is Shepard in a court detention room at the beginning?

[Klijpope]

kylecouch wrote...


... more inane combat sections...  

Seriously? Guessing you'll be playing on Story Mode then?

Notwithstanding the section cut from the demo but seen in the leak where there is a hub section where you can chat to several characters.

[izmirtheastarach]

Klijpope wrote...

Notwithstanding the section cut from the demo but seen in the leak where there is a hub section where you can chat to several characters.

And you can guarantee that this section is in the full game?

[AK47 Total WAR]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Which is the wrong time to explain them.

No it isn't.

Certain ones have already been answered with Arrival and ME2. Others will be better explained through dialogue with other characters. Stories do this all the time.

Considering that the Reapers are here I don't really feel the need to have this stuff crammed into the first hour of the game before the reapers actually get their. That is horrible pacing.

Exactly.  It is possible to have too much exposition.

[Gorosaur]

Klijpope wrote...

kylecouch wrote...


... more inane combat sections...  

Seriously? Guessing you'll be playing on Story Mode then?

Notwithstanding the section cut from the demo but seen in the leak where there is a hub section where you can chat to several characters.

On Earth or Sur'Kesh? If on Earth I will be very happy.

[Hunter of Legends]

AK47 Total WAR wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Which is the wrong time to explain them.

No it isn't.

Certain ones have already been answered with Arrival and ME2. Others will be better explained through dialogue with other characters. Stories do this all the time.

Considering that the Reapers are here I don't really feel the need to have this stuff crammed into the first hour of the game before the reapers actually get their. That is horrible pacing.

Exactly.  It is possible to have too much exposition.

Some people in this thread need to go read Robinson Cruesoe.

You'll see that there is a such thing as too much exposition.

[Mclouvins]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Klijpope wrote...

If you really think through how a trial sequence would need to be structured and the amount of dialogue needed to feel satisfying, it would need to be at least as long as Tali's and that was broken up with a combat mission.

All I would need to be satisfied is for some bureaucrat to make some accusations, for Anderson and Shepard to say a few lines in his defense, and then the Reapers can invade. Why is this so much different from what is already there? Instead of being brought into the hearing room for no reason, you would be brought in to answer to some charges. Doesn't change the structure of the demo all that much, does it?

In all fairness Shepard was not brought before the committee for no reason, the reason was because something weird was happening and they realized Shepard was actually right. Having the reapers land while Shepard was in a courtmartial proceeding would lead to a lot of griping about the cliched timing.

[TMA LIVE]

DJBare wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
And you don't get that I know it's been cut.

I think they should have at least implied a trial was or is going to happen in ME3. But Reapers appearing changed things.

Instead of not having any reference of a trial happening or going to happen, as you see it now.

If you don't want to understand that, that's your problem.

Why is Shepard in a court detention room at the beginning?

(Person who never played ME2 or Arrival): To talk to a commity?

TMA: No, because in some other game, in a DLC, Shepard did something bad. You're really on trial. But DJ thinks you don't need to know this. That no one should say you're on trial. That saying such a thing is so horrible. I mean, it's not like we need to know why Shepard's in a detention room. Why, DJ thinks you even read the word on the wall, even though you had no reason to.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 16 février 2012 - 04:35 .

[AK47 Total WAR]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Klijpope wrote...

Notwithstanding the section cut from the demo but seen in the leak where there is a hub section where you can chat to several characters.

And you can guarantee that this section is in the full game?

There are no guarantees.  But there was quite a bit of content there so I doubt it was scrapped.  Probably removed from the demo just for spoiler reasons and/or memeory constraints.

[izmirtheastarach]

Mclouvins wrote...

In all fairness Shepard was not brought before the committee for no reason, the reason was because something weird was happening and they realized Shepard was actually right. Having the reapers land while Shepard was in a courtmartial proceeding would lead to a lot of griping about the cliched timing.

Apparently he was being brought in to tell the committee what Earth's defensive plan was, as it was apparently his job to formulate one single-handedly from his tiny cell. But that's a seperate complaint, and a little off-topic.

[Klijpope]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

All I would need to be satisfied is for some bureaucrat to make some accusations, for Anderson and Shepard to say a few lines in his defense, and then the Reapers can invade. Why is this so much different from what is already there? Instead of being brought into the hearing room for no reason, you would be brought in to answer to some charges. Doesn't change the structure of the demo all that much, does it?

Well it isn't much different. In fact it is pretty much identical. To the point where I don't see your problem. Now I am betting there is a bit more dialogue in those scenes that was chopped for spoiler reasons. Won't know til March 9th. So what's all the panic about now?

But that is not what I imagine when I hear 'trial'. Hardly even a hearing, really. What the OP was talking about is something more like Tali's trial.

[izmirtheastarach]

Klijpope wrote...

Well it isn't much different. In fact it is pretty much identical. To the point where I don't see your problem. Now I am betting there is a bit more dialogue in those scenes that was chopped for spoiler reasons. Won't know til March 9th. So what's all the panic about now?

But that is not what I imagine when I hear 'trial'. Hardly even a hearing, really. What the OP was talking about is something more like Tali's trial.

I'll know on March 6th, if not before. No panic here.

What the OP had in mind is really not something I can speak to, he's not really been a part of this discussion since the first page.

[DPSSOC]

TMA LIVE wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Klijpope wrote...

Well the intro we have is already about 5 minutes. A trial to cover all the ground of the last two games in any meaningful way could take longer than 20 minutes. If it can't be meaningful, why have it?

Who said it can't be meaningful?  Why not use the trial as a way to bring new players up to speed rather than a comic.  Take about the same amount of time and you can even have it auto fill in the facts (Genesis style) for imports while still allowing the player to defend their actions.  It's more engaging, provides a seemless transition from 2-3, and we can pick up some early P/R points.

Honestly, doing that in a trial I think would be too weird. Asking about Virmire or Mordin's mission, when they should be asking about what happened in Arrival.

Well I was thinking, and really should have said, just covering the broadstrokes of ME2; working with Cerberus, Collectors, Arrival, etc.  It would be hard to do and it could easily get a little awkward but it would be a good way to make the trial a meaningful part of the game rather than just a block of time where nothing's happening before everything goes to hell.

Klijpope wrote...
I posted something on the previous page, I think.

If you really think through how a trial sequence would need to be structured and the amount of dialogue needed to feel satisfying, it would need to be at least as long as Tali's and that was broken up with a combat mission.

Yeah it'd be a decent chunk of time but as I mentioned it wouldn't be much longer than any comic or whatever they give people who aren't importing (and if it'd done like Genesis even Importers will have to sit through it).

[TheRevanchist]

Klijpope wrote...

kylecouch wrote...


... more inane combat sections...  

Seriously? Guessing you'll be playing on Story Mode then?

Notwithstanding the section cut from the demo but seen in the leak where there is a hub section where you can chat to several characters.

Not at all...RPG Mode all the way...I do not however...think combat is really anything special. In fact in some ways I find it more annoying then ME2 combat. Heaven forbid I don't really find combat enjoyable. But still I play the games the way they are meant to be played.  

[izmirtheastarach]

I'm actually going to go play some Multiplayer right now. I'm pretty happy with the gameplay, in general.

[Klijpope]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I'll know on March 6th, if not before. No panic here.

Damn, keep forgetting I'll have to find some other way to grind the time away than come on here to discuss things robustly for the last three days! I'll have to do housework.  or just sleep.

The days are passing so slowly.

On a minor tangent, if we could have a full-blooded trial mission, what and who would we want to see in it?

[Halo Quea]

You know all of this could have been avoided IF Bioware had simply not forced "The Arrival" into the canon. My Shepard did everything right (told TIM to go f himself and saved the Terminus), then he get's a call from Hackett that changes EVERYTHING.

"Arrival" turns my Shepard genocidal, ends his Spectre status and knocks his military career right off the track. And now..............Bioware doesn't even want to acknowledge that any of it even happened.

If Mac really wanted to do this without the trial he should have had Shepard simply reporting to Earth for a meeting with Anderson or Hackett, or he could have been overseeing the refit of the Normandy for the last 5-6 months when all hell breaks loose.

Simple, no trial, no lose ends to tie up.

I certainly don't need to mention HOW the Arrival renders everything in ME2 pointless and unnecessary, but I will never understand the logic in obliterating everything just to begin the next chapter in a story.

[Mclouvins]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Mclouvins wrote...

In all fairness Shepard was not brought before the committee for no reason, the reason was because something weird was happening and they realized Shepard was actually right. Having the reapers land while Shepard was in a courtmartial proceeding would lead to a lot of griping about the cliched timing.

Apparently he was being brought in to tell the committee what Earth's defensive plan was, as it was apparently his job to formulate one single-handedly from his tiny cell. But that's a seperate complaint, and a little off-topic.

The substance of the meeting is probably disputable. I would suggest that Shepard was there to provide insight into how the reapers operate from his/her experience and not to divise an actual battle plan, but that's irrelevant. For all the "we fight or we die" hate, my point is that having Shepard before an Alliance tribunal saying "I destroyed the alpha relay to slow down the reapers" as a reaper blows open the ceiling would be so much worse. I told you so moments are alright but doing it that way would seem, at least in my opinion (take it for what is is) incredibly tacky and cliched.

[AK47 Total WAR]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

AK47 Total WAR wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Which is the wrong time to explain them.

No it isn't.

Certain ones have already been answered with Arrival and ME2. Others will be better explained through dialogue with other characters. Stories do this all the time.

Considering that the Reapers are here I don't really feel the need to have this stuff crammed into the first hour of the game before the reapers actually get their. That is horrible pacing.

Exactly.  It is possible to have too much exposition.

Some people in this thread need to go read Robinson Cruesoe.

You'll see that there is a such thing as too much exposition.

Or play Metal Gear Solid 3.  I'm a huge fan of the Metal Gear series in general, but even I will admit that the Virtuous Mission (Prologue) in MGS3 was too long and drawn out.  It caused the game to come to a really slow start.

[EvilBeaver426]

I understand it's a demo, but it bothered me that there was no mention of Shep working with Cerberus, you know those guys who did some terrible things in ME1 & ME2. Oh, and one minor thing, no big deal you know just Shep blowing up a Mass Relay and killing hundreds of thousands of Batarians. Yeah...