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[Rudy Lis]

Gexora wrote...

Actually that won't, because new players could just avoid doing that and learn things on the go

That was a joke.
My buddy, who never ever played ME and pre-ordered ME3 on my recommendation (just because I told him ME3 has multiplayer - what you expect from BF/COD gamer?) asked me about "what's going on". The only thing I could asnwer was Wraith 02 phrase. Both my buddy and yours truly have no quacking idea what's goind on. Only difference between two of us - I know of Shepard, Anderson, VS, Normandy and those huge metal snacks pissing on everything with their red jets.

[Gexora]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Gexora wrote...

Actually that won't, because new players could just avoid doing that and learn things on the go

That was a joke.
My buddy, who never ever played ME and pre-ordered ME3 on my recommendation (just because I told him ME3 has multiplayer - what you expect from BF/COD gamer?) asked me about "what's going on". The only thing I could asnwer was Wraith 02 phrase. Both my buddy and yours truly have no quacking idea what's goind on. Only difference between two of us - I know of Shepard, Anderson, VS, Normandy and those huge metal snacks pissing on everything with their red jets.

Sorry dude, with all those angry complaints it's really hard to recongnise a joke sometimes.... and maybe I m just stupid.
Anyways, yes, you are so right

[Rudy Lis]

Gexora wrote...

Sorry dude, with all those angry complaints it's really hard to recongnise a joke sometimes.... and maybe I m just stupid.

Probably it is I stupid - English is not my mother tongue, plus I often forget to put smilies into messages - Internet is not real life, poker face may not work.

Gexora wrote...

Anyways, yes, you are so right

Thank you.


I just thought - maybe there is no spoon kid in demo? Maybe he was hallucination? You know, PTSD and all that and Shepard had enough problems with head, plus his hamster (CPU?) was taken away from him, so nothing can maintain Shepard's sanity, thus bad textures, "follow me" Anderson, 2D enemies, cruiser/dreadnought, blurry textures, no trial, new Ashley, Wrex/Wreav (never heard him in ME2, I always talked to Wrex)... OR maybe whole ME2 was hallucination... Who knows.

[Slayer299]

Rudy Lis - you only meet Wreav in ME2 if you kill Wrex on Virmire in ME.

[Rudy Lis]

Slayer299 wrote...

Rudy Lis - you only meet Wreav in ME2 if you kill Wrex on Virmire in ME.

Why should I do that?
*Pink's "****ing perfect" tune on background*

Ow, and thanks!

[RSX Titan]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Gexora wrote...

Actually that won't, because new players could just avoid doing that and learn things on the go

That was a joke.
My buddy, who never ever played ME and pre-ordered ME3 on my recommendation (just because I told him ME3 has multiplayer - what you expect from BF/COD gamer?) asked me about "what's going on". The only thing I could asnwer was Wraith 02 phrase. Both my buddy and yours truly have no quacking idea what's goind on. Only difference between two of us - I know of Shepard, Anderson, VS, Normandy and those huge metal snacks pissing on everything with their red jets.

Does your buddy understand the so called "'Multiplayer" component is really just CO-OP on stand alone maps? There are going to be a lot of pissed off gamers when they realize this.

[Rudy Lis]

RSX Titan wrote...

Does your buddy understand the so called "'Multiplayer" component is really just CO-OP on stand alone maps? There are going to be a lot of pissed off gamers when they realize this.

I explained that to him and he seems to agree with that. But after about hour there he went back to BF3, mumbling something about "why logins, not nickanames?"
Well, to be honest, his words were "other", but I cannot translate them due... Simply put, only two words that weren't profanities in his tirade were "logins" and "nicknames", with added something about intellectual levels of certain representatives of Equus Africanus Asinus species.

[crimzontearz]

there is a simple reason why the trial is skipped...a trial would make little sense

imagine

Board: Shepard you are accused of Genocide...how do you plead?
Shepard: Innocent, sir.
B: but we have proof you did it
S: you also have proof, trough the data from the good ol doctor, that the reapers not only exist but also would have arrived in a matter of days...Anderson knows too...so does hackett. Would you have preferred for me to let them come?
B:...uh....right.....


which would also have opened a whole new can of worms

I understand the decision...especially if they elaborate on it later

[RSX Titan]

The more I think about it, the more I'm okay with the Trial being cut. Maybe a Hearing would have been better to help old fans recap and new fans get up to speed? Anyway you slice it, the opening should have been fleshed out more than what we see in the demo.

[JusticarDoom]

This is a message to Chris, and any other BioWare employee. If you are GENUINELY confused as to why a lot of us are upset, you should be fired. You all said 'Mass Effect 3 starts with Commander Shepard on trial because of the events in the Arrival DLC'. Now, we skip ahead and are simply told in a sentence how things have gone? No thanks. And if you don't see the issue with just cutting corners, you should consider a different line of work.

I say again, if you still don't understand, then you should be fired.

[RSX Titan]

If I ran a Game studio, everything that came out about the game pre-release would be carefully orchestrated. Fans are way too invested and take everything that is said as the gospel truth. I'm a little disappointed the game doesn't start in a more polished way but I'm not going to accuse them of promising a trial/hearing and not delivering it.

[JusticarDoom]

RSX Titan wrote...

I'm not going to accuse them of promising a trial/hearing and not delivering it.

Why ever not? It is *EXACTLY* what they did.

[RSX Titan]

That is precisely my point. Everything out of Bioware is taken as fact when things change during the development cycle. Maybe the Trial was too long and they didn't want to start the game with it? Maybe they didn't want go through the motions of having one when the end result no matter how it played out is "Shepard, help us! Get your gun and save the galaxy" thus rendering the outcome completely moot?

Again, I would have preferred the opening to be more fleshed out but I don't mind waiting 30 minutes to jump into the action. I understand that research shows most gamers in fact do like games to start out in this manner so I deal with it.

[james1976]

JonnyOwen wrote...

Damn. There goes one of the things I was looking forward too.

Yeah.  I was looking forward to that as well.

[Swordfishtrombone]

Haven't played the demo - I know I'm buying the game anyway, and I think I can wait till the release date.

Sorry to hear though that there seems to be no trial in the game - I was kinda looking forward to that after playing arrival. Though it's hardly gamebreaking, and I wouldn't make a big deal out of it, I would point out, for Bioware for future reference that your fans really LIKE trials. Look at the feedback on past games, and you'll see that the trial sequences are well loved.

So if you're not going to have a trial, don't promise or hint at a tral - or if you do, then at least show a cinematic sequence of the relevant bits of the trial if you don't have the time or inclination to make it playable.

Anyway, still looking forward to ME3, even if the trial was ditched.

[TheRevanchist]

Dave of Canada wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

And the reason the Collectors aren't a serious threat is that they haven't finished their Reaper yet. So ME2 isn't important because Shepard's too good at his job.

Considering more than two years of harvesting barely finished the upper-half of the new Reaper, I doubt they'd have finished by the time the Reapers arrived and by then it doesn't matter.

How so? who said it was suppose to replace Soverign? Noone as far as I recall. Thats just an assumption the community has created themselves. This guy provides a much more believeable theory regarding that entire plot. He also does the same with his much more believeable theories regarding The Arrival., which also tie in to the relevent plot of ME2 as a whole. Also theres the cut content that Didymos uploaded to Youtube...which is much better then the crappy explination we get now.

Modifié par kylecouch, 16 février 2012 - 04:44 .

[Slayer299]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

Rudy Lis - you only meet Wreav in ME2 if you kill Wrex on Virmire in ME.

Why should I do that?
*Pink's "****ing perfect" tune on background*

Ow, and thanks!

It comes down to a possible Genophage cure by Saren and that if you don't do a loyalty sort of mission for Wrex you either have to have a high enough Paragon/Renegade score to get Wrex to stand down or what happens is you are forced to kill Wrex. Unless you tell Ashley to be ready before talking to Wrex, in which case she shoots Wrex when he doesn't back down and was going to shoot Shepard.

[jedierick]

So the council kept Shepard around becasue of the Reaper knowledge he has, but they did nothing with it and just pick up months after the trial? Why not show the trial? Why not show him trying to convince everyone to listen? Why not show him being right and them being wrong?

In the demo all we see is Shepard on earth, doing something, and nobody doing anything about this big threat Shepard warned them about, its like they dont believe him, yet, he was spared in some sense because of his knowledge?

[Slayer299]

RSX Titan wrote...

That is precisely my point. Everything out of Bioware is taken as fact when things change during the development cycle. Maybe the Trial was too long and they didn't want to start the game with it? Maybe they didn't want go through the motions of having one when the end result no matter how it played out is "Shepard, help us! Get your gun and save the galaxy" thus rendering the outcome completely moot?

Again, I would have preferred the opening to be more fleshed out but I don't mind waiting 30 minutes to jump into the action. I understand that research shows most gamers in fact do like games to start out in this manner so I deal with it.

But we didn't need 30 minutes for the trial or hearing, 5 or 10 tops would have been more than sufficient to either bring new players upto speed on why Shepard was there (on earth), what was going on (in brief), etc,. But what we got was a Shepard who believes he was stripped of rank and no longer part of the Alliance), Anderson who says Shepard was lucky to have not been court martialed *at all* and yet something happened to have Shepard go back to Earth, lose the Normandy, wind up confined to detention quarters and stripped of his rank (as we can tell when address by the DC). Yet the DC wants Shep's help with how to defeat the Reapers.

If that isn't confusing I don't know what is to be honest.

Modifié par Slayer299, 16 février 2012 - 03:48 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I would have preferred if there was at least some sort of transition scene with a bit of exposition and/or history. Remember the bit with Timmy and Miranda right at the start of ME2? That is precisely what ME3 needs. As it stands, the intro hardly gives you the feeling that it is, well, an intro. I get that there was an off-screen trial, but WHY was it off-screen?

I like the intro and all. I just don't believe it does Mass Effect 3, the final chapter of the trilogy, justice in terms of continuity and story exposition. ME2's intro was definitely better in that regard.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 16 février 2012 - 03:52 .

[DJBare]

JusticarDoom wrote...

RSX Titan wrote...

I'm not going to accuse them of promising a trial/hearing and not delivering it.

Why ever not? It is *EXACTLY* what they did.

No, they did not make any promise to the community, they did a private press session with a demo opening with the trial, that was their mistake.

I also noticed someone use "Things change during development"; please don't, seriously people should not be using this to let them off the hook, I'm going to say it again, keep the development under wraps until you have something solid, it's well known the community hang on every word.

[ZombifiedJake]

Really wanted to see that trial. Arrival was useless, but seeing the consequences of it at the beginning of Mass Effect 3 would have been great.

[Rune-Chan]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.

Well I'd say the issue is right there, pretty much everybody assumed it'd take place at the beginning of the trial. The discussion boards have been quite active about what this would contain and what would happen and nobody from Bioware decided to correct them.

So naturally when this assumption turned out to be false, people are going to be disappointed. Obviously you cannot comment on all of the parts of the game without giving away spoilers, but considering most Mass Effect fans play it for the story as opposed to the combat ( while the combat's not bad, it's has nothing on most other third person shooters), as a collective they tend to expect a little more depth to these things.

I was expecting the length to be somehwere along the lines of one of the origin stories (DA:O)  for the Mass Effect 3 opening, it's a shame that Bioware have decided to try and appeal towards the kind of people who prefer explosions to exploration.

I understand you wish to broaden your market, but I honestly do not believe it is being gone about in the right way.

I have tried to avoid as many spoilers for Mass Effect 3 so as not to ruin the experience, but I sincerely hope that it is the sequel that such a fantastic series deserves.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 16 février 2012 - 04:13 .

[CasbynessPC]

Chris Priestly wrote...

If you are a continuing player (have played either or both of the previous games) you already know the plot and character development because you helped form it with your previous play throughs and the story picks up after ME2.

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?

I don't understand this. How did we get from the end of ME2 to this opening of ME3? Why is Shepard on Earth? Why is he/she no longer working with Cerberus (my Shepard kept the Collector base)? Who is this Vega person? Why is Ashley being friendly after what she did in ME2? Who repainted the Normandy, and why?

There is a huge gap between the end of ME2 and beginning of ME3. The trial could have easily covered that gap in the same way that the shuttle conversation on ME2 covered the ME1-2 gap. Plus that conversation was tailored so you could discuss as much or as little as you liked depending on whether you were a new or returning player.
I have no idea about most of what is going on in the first scene of the demo. That is what cutting corners means O.O 

[Rudy Lis]

Slayer299 wrote...

It comes down to a possible Genophage cure by Saren and that if you don't do a loyalty sort of mission for Wrex you either have to have a high enough Paragon/Renegade score to get Wrex to stand down or what happens is you are forced to kill Wrex. Unless you tell Ashley to be ready before talking to Wrex, in which case she shoots Wrex when he doesn't back down and was going to shoot Shepard.

Good lord! And they say I pay too much attention to speech skills and side quests...
Ash killing Wrex, you say... Glad I left her on Virmire.
Always.
Thanks again.

CasbynessPC wrote...

I don't understand this. How did we get from the end of ME2 to this opening of ME3?

"Montage"

CasbynessPC wrote...

Why is Shepard on Earth?

They had great idea of huge kalmar-snacks attack on Earth but had no idea how to force Shepard see it firsthand.

CasbynessPC wrote...

Why is he/she no longer working with Cerberus (my Shepard kept the Collector base)?

Because they cannot create proper ranged enemy and were too lazy to think and work around second fork a.k.a. dump Alliance - we at dark side now, at least they have cookies bar, they revived us. "And leather seats!" Joker happiness means a lot to me.

CasbynessPC wrote...

Who is this Vega person?

Some random musle-dude added as Grunt/Wrex/Zaeed replacement as BIG bullet magnet and eye-candy for those longing for huge muscular male body, not that fat belly little knee high, laying on coach.

CasbynessPC wrote...

Why is Ashley being friendly after what she did in ME2?

 

Because Strahovky salary is too big.
*Spoiler* "It's a trap!"

CasbynessPC wrote...

Who repainted the Normandy, and why?

Alliance. They have to do something for those 6 month between Arrival and ME3. Probably they used guys from brigs, working with toothbrushes.
But yes, I did like Boston Bruins colour much more.
Ow, wait. THAT's the reason - Bruins beat Canucks last year, that's why Normandy was repainted!

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 16 février 2012 - 04:30 .