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Goddy10 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

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Then you're the kind of customer EA wants. No sense bogging players down with plot and character development when there are things to kill!

(Sorry I couldn't help it, I'm disappoineted at the opening- it's another bit of railroading and cut corners)


Ok, I know I'm a tool of the Man and all, but how so?

If you are a new player (haven't played ME1 or ME2) you learn who Shepard is, why he's on earth, what the Reaper threat is, and then the story begins.

If you are a continuing player (have played either or both of the previous games) you already know the plot and character development because you helped form it with your previous play throughs and the story picks up after ME2.

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?



:devil:


Probably because we were expecting there to be a Role Playing moment at the beginning of the game where you actually defend yourself against the charges. I have been defending the demo from Day One but I have to say, I'm disappointed that this isn't in there.


that is exactly one of my problems with the game so far, I wanted to role play through the trial but no it's not there. I'll more than likely play the game but I'm highly disappointed in there being no trial, shoot this forum was all up about taking part in the trial. See at the trial everything would've been explained, but with the intro into me 3 what anderson told you was the lamest explanation for the intro

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RSX Titan wrote...

Bioware has gone out of it's way to tell everyone that the game is accessible for new gamers. Hell, in an interview with the Doctors recently, they said numerous times that ME3 is the best entry point into the series. The funny think about the opening is that its terrible if you haven't played the first 2 games. You have absoluteley no idea whats going on aside from the fact you are being summoned to some sort of meeting. The opening is weak whether you are returning to the franchise or just getting started with it. 


Hell, I HAVE played the first two games and I still have no idea what's going on, so...

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In my opinion, the removal of the Trial. which would've been a naturally very RPGesque section is a bad sign. I hope they haven't made the same rushed chop and changes in parts of the rest of the game.

I'll tell you one thing though, if the trial rocks up on Xbox Live as "Day One DLC", there will be a ****storm of monumental proportians. I sure as hell hope it has nothing to do with this.

Modifié par Goddy10, 16 février 2012 - 05:35 .


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YankeeBravo wrote...

RSX Titan wrote...

Bioware has gone out of it's way to tell everyone that the game is accessible for new gamers. Hell, in an interview with the Doctors recently, they said numerous times that ME3 is the best entry point into the series. The funny think about the opening is that its terrible if you haven't played the first 2 games. You have absoluteley no idea whats going on aside from the fact you are being summoned to some sort of meeting. The opening is weak whether you are returning to the franchise or just getting started with it. 


Hell, I HAVE played the first two games and I still have no idea what's going on, so...


Yeah, I didn't word that correctly. I was trying to say in their effort to appease potential new fans, they failed miserably. 

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Clearly Bioware didn't watch RedLetterMedia eaither...as they are doing the EXACT SAME crap Lucas did with those movies. Granted I -like- those movies...but I still admit theres serious problems with them.

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The explanation coming from Vega and Ashley/Kaiden does not improve my issue with it even if they talk about it later. What I was expecting because of Bioware's PR prior to this, the press demo, the end of ME2 via Arrival was a chance to talk about, confront and be responded to by "The Alliance top brass" aka the Admirals during the court hearing... 

If had trial I desire it to be a controntation between Shepard vs the Alliance (I am okay with or without his crew there to back him up). I am not interested in the councils opinion they made it clear through out the first two games multiple confrontations. What we did not have made clear and no trials unlike with council in ME1 and ME2 is such a controntation with the Alliance which is his/her people, spent most of his or her life serving and had the most impact on what made him/her the man or woman he or she was and respond to his actions and dialogue of past events. 


Not "Vega" a mere squad mate. It's two completely different things. 

This is on top of the fact I would of liked to have had "some" time experiencing life on Earth talking to people seeing everyday reactions to me and my past actions, see Earth as was prior to the attack. All snatched away which cannot be got back because they removed any form of control prior to running away, restricted dialogue to the extreme and forced automatic responses on a vast amount of the beginning dialogue. Within moments on top of that all hell breaks loose and your forced to run away and leave Earth. Even the way that last bit was done was grating... It was too fast and too rushed. I don't know how short Bioware thinks our attention spans are but give us some credit, as shown with poll I did a large amount of people do actually have more attention spans than desire for instant gratification...

Now like I said game has gone gold no further changes will occur and yes this is all personal preference for people (not a straight up need akin to needing oxygen to stay alive), but it is a valid disappointment. I would love if DLC could fix this by creating story exposition and content for those missing 6 months and trial, prelude to that attack (it would be optional at that stage improvement to the game for those of us who feel this way while those who don't just don't have to buy it) however "I" personally would buy it. This thread is more about airing disappointment even knowing wont change core game at this stage.

I wish people would stop coming in here on the offensive, attack people like somehow we are idiots for having such opinions or claiming we are haters and lower on the food chain, that we don't have the right to express our opinion and our disappointment is not valid. They can come in express their own 'preference' and such but attacking our 'preference' is not going to change anything.

Expressing my disappointment in this aspect does not mean I hate Bioware, it will not mean I am cancelling any orders and I do think the rest of the game will probably be amazing; the only thing is being expressed is disappointment in the introduction. I do have some concerns about how much use of auto dialogue is in rest of game and slight concern over how much imports affect story but those things won't know till full game unlike the introduction which we have been told is same and have experienced via the demo, the disappointment relating to what I described in this post at top which I would appreciate people read before jumping to wrong accusations, misunderstandings and replies.

After all these pages and my own response rght here, can Chris "still" not understand our disappointment?

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 février 2012 - 06:56 .


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RSX Titan wrote...

YankeeBravo wrote...

RSX Titan wrote...

Bioware has gone out of it's way to tell everyone that the game is accessible for new gamers. Hell, in an interview with the Doctors recently, they said numerous times that ME3 is the best entry point into the series. The funny think about the opening is that its terrible if you haven't played the first 2 games. You have absoluteley no idea whats going on aside from the fact you are being summoned to some sort of meeting. The opening is weak whether you are returning to the franchise or just getting started with it. 


Hell, I HAVE played the first two games and I still have no idea what's going on, so...


Yeah, I didn't word that correctly. I was trying to say in their effort to appease potential new fans, they failed miserably. 


I don't know.

The more I think about it, it seems to me that if they'd figured out what they'd wanted to do early enough or if they had been willing (or allowed) to risk pushing back the release date to make sure they got it right when they changed the intro, this topic would be a lot smaller.

In otherwords, it comes across more as a matter of something had to be changed at the last moment for whatever reason and there wasn't really enough time to go back through and handle the change properly and still meet milestones/deadlines/etc.

#2033
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"If you try please everyone, you please no one."

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^ This in a nutshell is something BW is having problems with...

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Come on Bioware, put it in as a day one patch, you can do it, you know you can, that's why you are so incredible.


psst, was I credible enough

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One word : Business

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Frank0605 wrote...

One word : Business


Three Words: Shafting your Fanbase

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So, what happened to the trial?


You've just been erased.

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Goddy10 wrote...

In my opinion, the removal of the Trial. which would've been a naturally very RPGesque section is a bad sign. I hope they haven't made the same rushed chop and changes in parts of the rest of the game.

I'll tell you one thing though, if the trial rocks up on Xbox Live as "Day One DLC", there will be a ****storm of monumental proportians. I sure as hell hope it has nothing to do with this.


No.

http://social.biowar...9308744#9308847

Not to further the flames, (assuming the above statement is true), but to quash this assumtion.

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what i don't understand is
1) they show Shepard in the detention center
2) Shepard and Anderson made they way to the courtroom.
3) so why can't we have the trial before the reaper show up.

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Well lets just hope the part was cut to meet the 360 Xboxlive 2gb limit. I think maybe they shouldve released two seperate demos if this is the case too, one for singleplayer and another for MP.

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Thats extremely disappointing :(

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Skyblade012 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

Then you're the kind of customer EA wants. No sense bogging players down with plot and character development when there are things to kill!

(Sorry I couldn't help it, I'm disappoineted at the opening- it's another bit of railroading and cut corners)


Ok, I know I'm a tool of the Man and all, but how so?

If you are a new player (haven't played ME1 or ME2) you learn who Shepard is, why he's on earth, what the Reaper threat is, and then the story begins.

If you are a continuing player (have played either or both of the previous games) you already know the plot and character development because you helped form it with your previous play throughs and the story picks up after ME2.

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?



:devil:


Because we don't know the plot.  I did play both games, and all the DLC.  From the games, I have no clue who Vega is, I have no idea when I lost the Normandy, and I have no clue when I got back to Earth.

From my perspective, I was chumming around the Terminus Systems, and now all of a sudden I'm on Earth, with no explanation, and apparently have been there, cooling my heels for a few weeks.  The Normandy is all of a sudden a full Allaince ship, with a new paint job and crew.  When did that happen?  James Vega is around and acting all buddy-buddy, and I have never seen him before.  I'm pulled in front of a defense committee I've never seen before, and who don't last more than two minutes, and instead of being fussed at for any of my actions, which is what I expected coming from ME2, they just go "save us, Shepard", and die.  You get no personal connection to the story because there is so little exposition.  You are just tossed straight into the action, immediately, with no real explanation of what is going on, or what has happened for the past six months.

Shepard has built up new relationships, the dynamics of the Alliance Military have radically shifted, the Normandy has been totally rebuilt, and we are just supposed to accept all of this, even though it is a stark contrast to the rest of the series's story telling style.


Go back and play the intros to ME and ME2.  Notice anything?  Both games set you up to a position where you are thrown in without knowing what's going on, but both set it up before you get there.  In both games, Shepard doesn't know what's going on either.  You are dropping blind into a combat situation, or you literally get blown up and have no clue where you are or what's going on.  In ME3, Shepard already knows all of this stuff that we are having to ask you about, and it feels weird.

Who is Vega?  How does he know Shepard?  When did the Normandy get taken from us?  What was done to it?  When did I get to Earth?  When was my court martial, yesterday, or six months ago?  And why do we have to ask you this instead of getting it from the game?


This right here.

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Also, it's not a few weeks. We've been told it was 6 months. Which you would never know by playing that demo.

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Alikain wrote...

what i don't understand is
1) they show Shepard in the detention center
2) Shepard and Anderson made they way to the courtroom.
3) so why can't we have the trial before the reaper show up.

No idea... for some reason they wanted to jump into action as fast as they possibly could. Probably because they're marketing it as an action combat game and not an RPG.

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izmirtheastarach wrote...

Also, it's not a few weeks. We've been told it was 6 months. Which you would never know by playing that demo.


The demo intro falsely makes me believe it almost a year.

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Hello Man wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Also, it's not a few weeks. We've been told it was 6 months. Which you would never know by playing that demo.


The demo intro falsely makes me believe it almost a year.


And I thought it was a couple weeks, based on Conviction. But the Chris tells us it's 6 months. lol. Maybe that's a spoiler.

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When in doubt I think this image explains everyones disappointment and future ones.:lol::wizard:


http://desmond.image....png&res=medium

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#2049
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We need to get Harry Plinkett to play these games...then watch this intro...and see what he says...clearly its the only way.

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kylecouch wrote...

Clearly Bioware didn't watch RedLetterMedia eaither...as they are doing the EXACT SAME crap Lucas did with those movies. Granted I -like- those movies...but I still admit theres serious problems with them.


A good way to explain the problem with the ME3 opening is to imagine you watch Star Wars A New Hope, then immediately watch Return of the Jedi right afterwards, because Empire doesn't exist.

So Jedi begins...ah, the two droids. We know who they are, that's cool. Oh...but why is Han in carbonite?! When did that happen??? O.O

Who is this Lando Calrissian guy? WTF when did Luke get so confident? Why isn't he using a blue lightsabre? What the heck happened to his hand? How come none of the characters seem surprised by any of this??? O.O

That's kinda how it is feeling atm. The oh so clever scheme to increase book/comic/DLC sales in order for players to fill in the gaps is...not very nice.:unsure: