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[izmirtheastarach]

Yeah, on an import I expect different dialogue, but not more choices.

[TheRevanchist]

[quote]Ringo12 wrote...

[quote]kylecouch wrote...
I'm so damn tierd of seeing "MAYBE IT COMES AFTER DUH STFU!"...I will tell ALL OF YOU RIGHT NOW....WHY that is the STUPIDEST way to go about that. You wana talk about a trial giving **** pacing? How about having Reapers blow the HOLY HELL out of everything...then suddenly pausing the entire Galactic War AFTER IT STARTED to explain everything to us!? How is -that- NOT **** pacing?! How is explaining what happend BEFORE THE WAR STARTS AFTER THE WAR STARTS better pacing then showing it to us...idk BEFORE THE WAR STARTS!? Has RedLetterMedia taught you people nothing!?[/quote]
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Yea you win. It's painfully obvious story isn't Bioware's strong point anymore. They care more about the damn romances than anything else. Man I can't wait to see what Obsidian decides to make if they go through with the kickstarter idea. 



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The romances are also mostly pretty bad...their more like Bar Pick-ups.

introduce yourself...

talk to them...

"sex scene"...

[YankeeBravo]

The PLC wrote...

If you import, you already know why Shepard has been grounded. Either because of Arrival or because he worked together with Cerberus. No need to show the trial.
If you don't import, you're told that Shepard has done some nasty stuff. Why show a trial to a player who have no idea what the whole thing is about anyway?!

Really?

Because in the demo I played, Anderson said Shepherd was lucky his reputation/exploits had protected him from being subjected to trial and discharge....

So, that being the case why is he grounded again? And what trial? The one Anderson said he was lucky to avoid?

Modifié par YankeeBravo, 16 février 2012 - 11:26 .

[Dragoonlordz]

The PLC wrote...

If you import, you already know why Shepard has been grounded. Either because of Arrival or because he worked together with Cerberus. No need to show the trial.
If you don't import, you're told that Shepard has done some nasty stuff. Why show a trial to a player who have no idea what the whole thing is about anyway?!

Vega. Well, at this point we don't know who he is. We just know that he and Shepard know each other. And no, they're not acting like they've known each others for years, stop saying that. Anyways, if you've read the comic, you already know the whole story.
If you haven't read the comic... well, feel free to talk with the guy on board the Normandy.

I don't like people using the term "need", you do not need most things this game will have, you do not even need to play the game as such need has nothing to do with it. It is more along the lines it is personal preferences just nice things to have that increases their enjoyment of the game if present.

As for myself the trial serves more purpose than just backstory. Involves interaction with people will not see again, seeing the world in a state and exploring it in a way won't see after attacked, getting to have it out with the admirals (Alliance) much in same way for past two titles you have had the opportunity with the Council. The content of that confrontation granted would make more sense to be about past actions and more. Vega cannot be an adequate substitute for that at a later date. He does not represent the Alliance command or the Admirals, his view is less important because he is a mere squad mate to be and his reaction is the reaction of one person not your government or superiors. There is vastly more to it than just trial too for me of which already explained...

It is not reasonable for me to have to go out and buy two comics to catch up on the past events between the two games either (imho). I have no problem buying games which cover that content or DLC which covers it because in both those formats I get to take part and play a role in it, I do not consider it fair or reasonable to force me to go out and buy movies or books to fill in the blanks as the Shepard in those is not the Shepard I created from the past two titles. His persona is not my Shepards and the format allows no interaction. Put it in a game or DLC, allow choices to push you in a direction but overall allow the Shepard we know to be the one we use to see that content.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 février 2012 - 11:32 .

[Agamo45]

The PLC wrote...

If you import, you already know why Shepard has been grounded. Either because of Arrival or because he worked together with Cerberus. No need to show the trial.
If you don't import, you're told that Shepard has done some nasty stuff. Why show a trial to a player who have no idea what the whole thing is about anyway?!

Vega. Well, at this point we don't know who he is. We just know that he and Shepard know each other. And no, they're not acting like they've known each others for years, stop saying that. Anyways, if you've read the comic, you already know the whole story.
If you haven't read the comic... well, feel free to talk with the guy on board the Normandy.

It's called bridging the story together. I really hope the intro is different from the demo, because as it is it looks really disjointed. And for the last game in the trilogy that's pretty bad. Yes I already know whats going on, but that's bad storytelling.

[kalle90]

kylecouch wrote...

The romances are also mostly pretty bad...their more like Bar Pick-ups.

introduce yourself...

talk to them...

"sex scene"...

Lol and Horizon is "Why didn't you call me?"

Really wish Bioware had focused on the original ones, maybe adding Tali and Garrus in 2nd game after you've befriended with them in 1st. I really don't see any future for the other 4 romances from ME2, they're probably just cameos anyway.

Liara is the only romance I see any point in. She's present enough in ME1, ME2 and apparently in ME3 to have longer term relationship with satisfying start, middle and end with potential for future. Everyone else seems like a throwaway one night thing who really don't give a damn and continue with their lives.

[Dragoonlordz]

kalle90 wrote...

Lol and Horizon is "Why didn't you call me?"

Really wish Bioware had focused on the original ones, maybe adding Tali and Garrus in 2nd game after you've befriended with them in 1st. I really don't see any future for the other 4 romances from ME2, they're probably just cameos anyway.

Liara is the only romance I see any point in. She's present enough in ME1, ME2 and apparently in ME3 to have longer term relationship with satisfying start, middle and end with potential for future. Everyone else seems like a throwaway one night thing who really don't give a damn and continue with their lives.

I had no romances in ME2 in order to improve relations with Ashley in ME3. It is amazing how well she looks in ME3 after six months working for L'Oriel and I am glad she looks so good in ME3 because she is my LI from the first and kept loyal to her in the second. However I wanted Kasumi as my LI over all because I loved her voice, tone and dialogue persona. It annoyed me that she kept ranting on about Jacob though and I wanted to airlock him in to avoid competition for her affection. But since could not have her as LI in ME2 I stayed loyal to Ashley. 



However this is bit off topic, so see my on topic response three posts above for continuation of this thread.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 février 2012 - 11:42 .

[TheRevanchist]

kalle90 wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

The romances are also mostly pretty bad...their more like Bar Pick-ups.

introduce yourself...

talk to them...

"sex scene"...

Lol and Horizon is "Why didn't you call me?"

Really wish Bioware had focused on the original ones, maybe adding Tali and Garrus in 2nd game after you've befriended with them in 1st. I really don't see any future for the other 4 romances from ME2, they're probably just cameos anyway.

Liara is the only romance I see any point in. She's present enough in ME1, ME2 and apparently in ME3 to have longer term relationship with satisfying start, middle and end with potential for future. Everyone else seems like a throwaway one night thing who really don't give a damn and continue with their lives.

Thats only because Mac Walters clearly has some sort of hard on for Liara...and does not work as hard on characters like Ashley or Kaiden. I think Ashleys new appearence is TOTALY horrible...but I won't get into that here. But I was never really mad at Ashley for Horizen...I think I'm the only one who wasn't. that e-amil from her later was enough for me personally.

[Rudy Lis]

kylecouch wrote...

Thats only because Mac Walters clearly has some sort of hard on for Liara...and does not work as hard on characters like Ashley or Kaiden.

Maybe they had no intentions to place them in game in first place? Why work hard on someone who spew 8-10 one-lines with same leitmotif: "you betrayer". And, apparently, "why you didn't call" if said character was LI in ME1.

kylecouch wrote...

I think Ashleys new appearence is TOTALY horrible...

Generally I like long hairs on women, but her haircut is completely odd and makes her look like some "sex-symbol" from cartoon.

kylecouch wrote...

But I was never really mad at Ashley for Horizen...I think I'm the only one who wasn't.

No, I'm not mad at her too - she is dead.

kylecouch wrote...

that e-amil from her later was enough for me personally.

E-mail? How interesting... Not worth killing Kaidan anyway.

[DPSSOC]

DJBare wrote...

JusticarDoom wrote...

RSX Titan wrote...

I'm not going to accuse them of promising a trial/hearing and not delivering it.

Why ever not? It is *EXACTLY* what they did.

No, they did not make any promise to the community, they did a private press session with a demo opening with the trial, that was their mistake.

They also have Hackett mentioning there'd be a trial; typically it's bad form to have a big reveal at the end of an installment resolved off screen before the start of the next.

Daywalker315 wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
Ok, I know I'm a tool of the Man and all, but how so?

If you are a new player (haven't played ME1 or ME2) you learn who Shepard is, why he's on earth, what the Reaper threat is, and then the story begins.

If you are a continuing player (have played either or both of the previous games) you already know the plot and character development because you helped form it with your previous play throughs and the story picks up after ME2.

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?

Because you can't make a crappy and rushed intro to a game that explains nothing and then blame the players when they can't seem to fill in the blanks.
How are we supposed to know who James Vega is if he isn't mentioned at the end of ME2 or the Beginning of ME3? and why are we suddenly all friendly with him? What happened to our ship and why is it now alliance? Why is Shepard being led to a courtroom that is a defense council? and most importantly, Why is Shepard not in prison for killing hundreds of thousands of Batarians?
It seems like quite a long time has passed between ME2 and ME3 so how are we supposed to know what happened if you don't actually bother informing us about it in either game?

Did you ever stop to think maybe some of that info might come AFTER the frantic escape from Earth while the Reapers attack bit?

Here's the problem, in any medium; books, film, TV, video games any questions that come up, particularly if they stem from gaps between consecutive entries in a series, really should be answered before the answer becomes pointless. The demo raised 7 questions for me before I got my first dialogue choice and the only one that qualifies is who the hell is Vega.

[Theobuomai]

Ultai wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

Then you're the kind of customer EA wants. No sense bogging players down with plot and character development when there are things to kill!

(Sorry I couldn't help it, I'm disappoineted at the opening- it's another bit of railroading and cut corners)

Ok, I know I'm a tool of the Man and all, but how so?

If you are a new player (haven't played ME1 or ME2) you learn who Shepard is, why he's on earth, what the Reaper threat is, and then the story begins.

If you are a continuing player (have played either or both of the previous games) you already know the plot and character development because you helped form it with your previous play throughs and the story picks up after ME2.

I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I'm not completely sure why?

Because we don't know the plot.  I did play both games, and all the DLC.  From the games, I have no clue who Vega is, I have no idea when I lost the Normandy, and I have no clue when I got back to Earth.

From my perspective, I was chumming around the Terminus Systems, and now all of a sudden I'm on Earth, with no explanation, and apparently have been there, cooling my heels for a few weeks.  The Normandy is all of a sudden a full Allaince ship, with a new paint job and crew.  When did that happen?  James Vega is around and acting all buddy-buddy, and I have never seen him before.  I'm pulled in front of a defense committee I've never seen before, and who don't last more than two minutes, and instead of being fussed at for any of my actions, which is what I expected coming from ME2, they just go "save us, Shepard", and die.  You get no personal connection to the story because there is so little exposition.  You are just tossed straight into the action, immediately, with no real explanation of what is going on, or what has happened for the past six months.

Shepard has built up new relationships, the dynamics of the Alliance Military have radically shifted, the Normandy has been totally rebuilt, and we are just supposed to accept all of this, even though it is a stark contrast to the rest of the series's story telling style.


Go back and play the intros to ME and ME2.  Notice anything?  Both games set you up to a position where you are thrown in without knowing what's going on, but both set it up before you get there.  In both games, Shepard doesn't know what's going on either.  You are dropping blind into a combat situation, or you literally get blown up and have no clue where you are or what's going on.  In ME3, Shepard already knows all of this stuff that we are having to ask you about, and it feels weird.

Who is Vega?  How does he know Shepard?  When did the Normandy get taken from us?  What was done to it?  When did I get to Earth?  When was my court martial, yesterday, or six months ago?  And why do we have to ask you this instead of getting it from the game?

This right here.

Yep. There's just too much that you jump into without a clue...even if you have been following the books/DLC/comics...

Modifié par Theobuomai, 17 février 2012 - 01:12 .

[Theobuomai]

At this point, all I want to know is one thing:

Does the demo contain the Prologue in its entirety and full detail?

[RSX Titan]

Theobuomai wrote...

At this point, all I want to know is one thing:

Does the demo contain the Prologue in its entirety and full detail?

Their silence is all the answer you need. 

[rastakore]

On the walls you can read clearly "detention center" and "courtroom access" when Sheppard is called, so there you go, they have rewritten the intro, removed the court, and didn't cared for the details, it looks totally rushed and the dialog... god help us all...
I just hope the final version has more though into it, but I'm not really counting on it.

Modifié par rastakore, 17 février 2012 - 01:21 .

[Renegade133]

rft wrote...

I was expecting something like

Shepard: "THE REAPERS WERE COMING. I HAD TO DO IT!

Judge: "Ah yes, "Reapers...."

*Then the reapers come and screw up everyones day*



Instead, everyone now believes the reapers are real right from the beggining.
Disapointed .

Kinda hard to ignore when various bases and fleets go missing

[DPSSOC]

Theobuomai wrote...

At this point, all I want to know is one thing:

Does the demo contain the Prologue in its entirety and full detail?

Here's hoping no.

[2484Stryker]

augmented shephard wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

augmented shephard wrote...

So the start of the demo is the actual start of the game?
There is nothing before it?
If so that is very dissapointing!
And does anyone know if there will be anymore dialogue choices than was in the demo? (Earth)

From what I understand not if new character. In fact I am guessing not even if you import (just a guess though).

thanks

I sent a tweet to @masseffect asking them if importing a saved game would change the intro level at all (such as including additional information to set up the game), and this is what they said:

"We don't want to spoil any of the surprises, suffice to say if you are a Mass Effect fan, you will be satisfied and surprised"

I know that's pretty vague, but I'm secretly hoping that that means yes to additional information/dialogue...

[Unfallen_Satan]

How did this thread get 2000 replies? BW dropped the ball when they said "trial" during whatever announcement they made about it. If they said a "hearing," which is much more likely in context of the story, fewer people would decry it now. Then again, a "hearing" doesn't sound as exciting and moralists may decry the idea that killing 300,000 Batarians led only to a "hearing." Oops, I just bumped the thread.

[2484Stryker]

Unfallen_Satan wrote...

How did this thread get 2000 replies? BW dropped the ball when they said "trial" during whatever announcement they made about it. If they said a "hearing," which is much more likely in context of the story, fewer people would decry it now. Then again, a "hearing" doesn't sound as exciting and moralists may decry the idea that killing 300,000 Batarians led only to a "hearing." Oops, I just bumped the thread.

Haha

Personally, I can do without the trial, but at least set up the game a little better.  Again, I'm assuming that the demo intro is basically what's in the finished game. 

As a returning ME player, assuming that the intro stays the same, I'd be thinking "how did I get from commanding a Cerberus vessel to being on Earth?  Yes, I know I'd be recalled some day, but how long has it been?"

Regarding Vega, it's OK, I guess, for BW to simply throw him into the game without intro, but at least define the time elapsed between ME2 and the intro so that we as players know to expect characters that are strangers to us but friends with Shepard.  All it takes is one single line "six months later..."

And yes, I get it that we can all read the wikis, watch the videos, and keep up with the novels. 

[EvilBeaver426]

Scumbag Shepard: Kill 300,000 Batarians

No Trial.

*By the way that went, I wonder which American city they were stationed at.

[izmirtheastarach]

Unfallen_Satan wrote...

How did this thread get 2000 replies? BW dropped the ball when they said "trial" during whatever announcement they made about it. If they said a "hearing," which is much more likely in context of the story, fewer people would decry it now. Then again, a "hearing" doesn't sound as exciting and moralists may decry the idea that killing 300,000 Batarians led only to a "hearing." Oops, I just bumped the thread.

They dropped the ball? I don't know about that. They originally intended for there to be a trial in the game. It's in the script. But they've cut it out. It's not like they just said the word by mistake at some point. They put it into the game, and showed it to journalists. Then they cut it. We have no idea when, but it may have been a long time ago, or it may not.

[Dragoonlordz]

Unfallen_Satan wrote...

How did this thread get 2000 replies?

Strength of feelings on this subject supported by a huge amount of people is why.

Not forgetting 20k views too which not a specific indicator, but I like to think in part shows how much interest is shown even from those who are not taking part in discussions. That would be my interpretation.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 février 2012 - 03:32 .

[Dragoonlordz]

2484Stryker wrote...

augmented shephard wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

augmented shephard wrote...

So the start of the demo is the actual start of the game?
There is nothing before it?
If so that is very dissapointing!
And does anyone know if there will be anymore dialogue choices than was in the demo? (Earth)

From what I understand not if new character. In fact I am guessing not even if you import (just a guess though).

thanks

I sent a tweet to @masseffect asking them if importing a saved game would change the intro level at all (such as including additional information to set up the game), and this is what they said:

"We don't want to spoil any of the surprises, suffice to say if you are a Mass Effect fan, you will be satisfied and surprised"

I know that's pretty vague, but I'm secretly hoping that that means yes to additional information/dialogue...

Thanks for information, shame they could not expand on his description though because I recall same sort of thing being said quite similar about DA2 prior to release. I believe it was along the lines of whether fans of Dragon Age Origins or new to the series, we believe you will be surprised and should enjoy DA2. I recall it being said I just don't recall which person said it.

I'm not saying it might be epic but I'm just saying I am going to be holding my judgement till see what he actually means because of what I have seen, played and had said by Chris. However I cannot see what he said as a solution to my specific issue with the current introduction as of yet which mentioned above on this page. His words are too open to interpretation, when says Mass Effect fans, we are not all the same as shown with bickering early on and he could be giving the nod towards those who have preference opposite to ours but are also classed as Mass Effect fans.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 février 2012 - 03:41 .

[TheRevanchist]

^ I remember that exact phrase about DA2...they told us the same thing actually..."surprised" was...certinly a way to describe our reactions certinly.