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[txgoldrush]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

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Beginning to think your constant bumping of this thread which is about our concerns, our enjoyment is not just because you just like to argue (which is how your coming across throughout your entire time in it), maybe your secretly trying to keep it on front page (for us) even if your arguments are pointless.

Again what others games did, what other movies did, what other books did is irrelevant. The topic of discussion, the lowered enjoyment and the disappointment talked about in this thread is about ME3. Not Kotor 2, not ME1 and not ME2 or the dozen or so movies you mentioned inlcuding Return of the King.

I would also point out that.the follow through is not "more" important than the introduction, it is "equally" as important.

If you love the way it was doen then I'm glad for you, If the way it was handled did not disappoint you and never made your concerned then again this is great for you and I am glad. Your preference is different to ours, fair enough but that does not make our preference less valid. How much you enjoyed the way it was done is fine but this was not the case for most of us here and I ponder if you will ever accept that at this stage and just move on. I am guessing no.

An what other games, books, and movies did wasn't relevant in making the Mass Effect series? Hell, the enitre franchise was borrowing what worked in past franchises.

Other works or only irrelevant from ypur point of view, not reality's.

"I would also point out that.the follow through is not "more" important than the introduction, it is "equally" as important. "

Wrong, all the intro does is set up the story mechanically, thats it. It doesn't have to set up its themes or even its characters right away. It can but it doesn't. Thats what the follow through does.

I see you back to trolling and insults. So my point of view is not reality? I'm wrong am I? Have you ever spoken or written something that did not contain bile and disdain of others? I wonder why moderators have not had words with you about trolling threads like ths one. I can understand now why only have one friend on here and thats one that has not been present for 8 months. Probably tired of your attitude problem and overuse of sarcasm and arrogance. According to you every single person in here is apparently wrong by the amount of times you have spammed that word.

and do I care how many friends I got on BSN? No....I really do not use the feature.

Yeah....is saying the sky is green reality? It is a point of view. Face it, you're just wrong.

[Il Divo]

txgoldrush wrote...

Wrong.

The story ends with Cassandra realizing that Hawke was not responsible for the war between mages and templars, which is due to Varric's storytelling.

So Varric's role as an unreliable narrator ended up in him reliably explaining the situation to Cassandra? So...what you're telling me is that the framed narrative was useless.

[Il Divo]

txgoldrush wrote...

and do I care how many friends I got on BSN? No....I really do not use the feature.

Yeah....is saying the sky is green reality? It is a point of view. Face it, you're just wrong.

Take my advice: ****** off. You're clearly not interested in discussion.

Modifié par Il Divo, 19 février 2012 - 09:02 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Il Divo wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

and do I care how many friends I got on BSN? No....I really do not use the feature.

Yeah....is saying the sky is green reality? It is a point of view. Face it, you're just wrong.

Take my advice: ****** off. You're clearly not interested in discussion.

That has been apparent for past 80 pages he/she has been present. A lot of us tried reasoning and a lot tried debate and all ended up with insults thrown back and sarcasm, arrogance and attitude. When read up on the definition of trolling which I went back and did to make sure it was what he or she was doing, it matched perfectly.

I thought Bioware mods or devs would of warned him or her by now because of his or her responses in here.

[txgoldrush]

Il Divo wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Wrong.

The story ends with Cassandra realizing that Hawke was not responsible for the war between mages and templars, which is due to Varric's storytelling.

So Varric's role as an unreliable narrator ended up in him reliably explaining the situation to Cassandra? So...what you're telling me is that the framed narrative was useless.

And Cassandra's BS detector doesn't make Varric more reliable? Oh wait, it does.

[txgoldrush]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

and do I care how many friends I got on BSN? No....I really do not use the feature.

Yeah....is saying the sky is green reality? It is a point of view. Face it, you're just wrong.

Take my advice: ****** off. You're clearly not interested in discussion.

That has been apparent for past 80 pages he/she has been present. A lot of us tried reasoning and a lot tried debate and all ended up with insults thrown back and sarcasm, arrogance and attitude. When read up on the definition of trolling which I went back and did to make sure it was what he or she was doing, it matched perfectly.

I thought Bioware mods or devs would of warned him or her by now because of his or her responses in here.

Face it, you are debating from points of unknown and the illogical...I am pointing out your BS...while others are whining about not getting their way.

You tried nothing, the point is , its lillogical to say the game or game does not need something before seeing the full picture. This whole damn thread is, there is no trial,  it must mean that Bioware's quality has sunk. That notion is so stupid and illogical.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 19 février 2012 - 09:11 .

[txgoldrush]

Il Divo wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

and do I care how many friends I got on BSN? No....I really do not use the feature.

Yeah....is saying the sky is green reality? It is a point of view. Face it, you're just wrong.

Take my advice: ****** off. You're clearly not interested in discussion.

and you are not interesting in realizing facts....

[AxisEvolve]

I uploaded the 'Arrival' dialog from the demo files if anyone is interested.

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 19 février 2012 - 09:10 .

[Dragoonlordz]

txgoldrush wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

and do I care how many friends I got on BSN? No....I really do not use the feature.

Yeah....is saying the sky is green reality? It is a point of view. Face it, you're just wrong.

Take my advice: ****** off. You're clearly not interested in discussion.

That has been apparent for past 80 pages he/she has been present. A lot of us tried reasoning and a lot tried debate and all ended up with insults thrown back and sarcasm, arrogance and attitude. When read up on the definition of trolling which I went back and did to make sure it was what he or she was doing, it matched perfectly.

I thought Bioware mods or devs would of warned him or her by now because of his or her responses in here.

Face it, you are debating from points of unknown and the illogical...I am pointing out your BS...while others are whining about not getting their way.

You tried nothing, the point is , its lillogical to say the game or game does not need something before seeing the full picture. This whole damn thread is, there is no trial,  it must mean that Bioware's quality has sunk. That notion is so stupid and illogical.

Fourth time now have contradicted yourself. You very specifically spent about 10 pages saying the game does not "need" a trial and now your saying we shouldn't be saying game does or does not need something until have full game. Give it a rest already. Quit trolling this thread. I even played nice with you said glad you enjoyed it, glad you was not disappointed but rest of us were and do not feel same way and in return flowed more insults from you.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 19 février 2012 - 09:17 .

[txgoldrush]

AxisEvolve wrote...

I uploaded the 'Arrival' dialog from the demo files if anyone is interested.

thats much better.....

It makes the humans less stupid in that instead of denying or not taking the reapers seriously (like the trial version), they are actually working on the reapers in theory, but just do not know how to defeat or fight them.

[txgoldrush]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

and do I care how many friends I got on BSN? No....I really do not use the feature.

Yeah....is saying the sky is green reality? It is a point of view. Face it, you're just wrong.

Take my advice: ****** off. You're clearly not interested in discussion.

That has been apparent for past 80 pages he/she has been present. A lot of us tried reasoning and a lot tried debate and all ended up with insults thrown back and sarcasm, arrogance and attitude. When read up on the definition of trolling which I went back and did to make sure it was what he or she was doing, it matched perfectly.

I thought Bioware mods or devs would of warned him or her by now because of his or her responses in here.

Face it, you are debating from points of unknown and the illogical...I am pointing out your BS...while others are whining about not getting their way.

You tried nothing, the point is , its lillogical to say the game or game does not need something before seeing the full picture. This whole damn thread is, there is no trial,  it must mean that Bioware's quality has sunk. That notion is so stupid and illogical.

Fourth time now have contradicted yourself. You very specifically spent about 10 pages saying the game does not "need" a trial and now your saying we shouldn't be saying game does or does not need something. Give it a rest already.

The game does not "need" anything, hell, the game even did not "need" to start on Earth. The only "need" for the intro is just to start the story.

[Dragoonlordz]

txgoldrush wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

and do I care how many friends I got on BSN? No....I really do not use the feature.

Yeah....is saying the sky is green reality? It is a point of view. Face it, you're just wrong.

Take my advice: ****** off. You're clearly not interested in discussion.

That has been apparent for past 80 pages he/she has been present. A lot of us tried reasoning and a lot tried debate and all ended up with insults thrown back and sarcasm, arrogance and attitude. When read up on the definition of trolling which I went back and did to make sure it was what he or she was doing, it matched perfectly.

I thought Bioware mods or devs would of warned him or her by now because of his or her responses in here.

Face it, you are debating from points of unknown and the illogical...I am pointing out your BS...while others are whining about not getting their way.

You tried nothing, the point is , its lillogical to say the game or game does not need something before seeing the full picture. This whole damn thread is, there is no trial,  it must mean that Bioware's quality has sunk. That notion is so stupid and illogical.

Fourth time now have contradicted yourself. You very specifically spent about 10 pages saying the game does not "need" a trial and now your saying we shouldn't be saying game does or does not need something. Give it a rest already.

The game does not "need" anything, hell, the game even did not "need" to start on Earth. The only "need" for the intro is just to start the story.

Correct, as the one who had to point that out to you on multiple occassions in this thread I am glad it finally has sunk in. Because it does not need it and with need having nothing to do with it, you finally acknowledge this once and for all... Then what is the harm in having it added for those who would of "prefered" it? 

If your reply is yet again "because it might have been bad", then stop before try as mentioned earlier if you want things cut because it "may" be badly written and you have no faith in Biowares ability to write it well then you may as well skip the entire game because it may/might/could contain many parts that you do not consider to be amazing or find disappointing or simply potentially be "bad" if you have so little faith in their ability to create such content.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 19 février 2012 - 11:18 .

[Shortstuff820]

I have been reading this thread for a long time now and I feel I should voice my own opinion.

Yes, it's disappointing that there is no trial and I was someone looking forward to it. And yes, the intro is rushed, has poorly-written dialogue and leaves little in the way of explanation.

However, it has been confirmed that more dialogue/options will be available in the full game and some of it changes depending on your import. The game probably starts out more action-oriented to introduce fans of shooters to one of the best game series in the industry. We will most likely start to see more traditional Mass Effect elements at some point after the intro or first few hours of the game.

Drawing in shooter fans is pretty much the point to the demo and the rushed/underdone intro and is not meant to impress veterans of the series.. We have only seen about 2% of the whole game and I have no doubt the rest of it will turn out to be much better and more traditional. With that said, despite the disappointing first few minutes, I am looking forward to an awesome ME3.

[Dragoonlordz]

Shortstuff820 wrote...

I have been reading this thread for a long time now and I feel I should voice my own opinion.

Yes, it's disappointing that there is no trial and I was someone looking forward to it. And yes, the intro is rushed, has poorly-written dialogue and leaves little in the way of explanation.

However, it has been confirmed that more dialogue/options will be available in the full game and some of it changes depending on your import. The game probably starts out more action-oriented to introduce fans of shooters to one of the best game series in the industry. We will most likely start to see more traditional Mass Effect elements at some point after the intro or first few hours of the game.

Drawing in shooter fans is pretty much the point to the demo and the rushed/underdone intro and is not meant to impress veterans of the series.. We have only seen about 2% of the whole game and I have no doubt the rest of it will turn out to be much better and more traditional. With that said, despite the disappointing first few minutes, I am looking forward to an awesome ME3.

But contrary to that it has been confirmed that the introduction experienced in the Earth section of the demo is what will get in the game (source being Chris), also mentioned and do not know if confirmed but import only adds one or two lines of dialogue in the introduction according to the spoiler thread. The rest of the game could be amazing but the introduction part was lacking and detrimental to my enjoyment, hence the disappointment of a wasted opportunity and hence why this thread exists for those who feel the same way. Personally I think is 'chance' game will be amazing, but this specific part of it disappointed me and I have four more concerns including a bigger one than trial itself and content prior to attack by Reapers. This is maybe the third biggest issue for me (out of five in total) but an issue all the same.

The problem is after you leave the Earth it is in ruins, the people are dying or dead already, admirals and such. It is a wasted (opportunity) to see/control your exploration the Earth prior to being in ruins, the people you choose to interact with prior to being butchered and having it out with the admirals prior to the deaths.. 6 months of content missed unless buy the books/comics of which is another issue of the content of that media cannot be interacted with, cannot experience through the eyes of your Shepard spent hundreds of hours shaping. That media forces a canon generic Shepard and his choices not yours. I would have prefered that content been DLC or part of game (format) since then even if they moved the plot in one direction you could interacted, play as your own Sheaprd and via dialogue and exposition been gently pushed towards that end result in different ways based on choices make. The end result is end up same place but you and your Shepard is the one that arrived at that point and not theirs.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 19 février 2012 - 11:19 .

[In Exile]

txgoldrush wrote...
First off DA2's intro plays by different rules considering its a frame story, Varrics story of you. In fact, was intentionally made to have wierd pacing. No one wants to jusge it by its own rules, just theirs, which is illogical. On the other hand, templars not recognizing mages in Act I is a flaw judging by the story's own standards.

DA2 fails at introducing Hawke or the Blight (both of which are central issues), because it starts too late post-Lothering. But as a self-contained thing, it at least builds up to something, even if it is terribly linear. You run into a party NPC, you have a few conversations...

And really, is it logical to have or continue a trial AFTER the military command finds their colonies going dark, which is what happens in the demo intro? Or, is it more logical to question the guy who may know something about the threat.

Its very simple logic.

The trial was cut because it probably did not work in the writer's view on multiple levels.

There wasn't any questioning. A bunch of high level officials were cowering, Shepard got called from some random room, and then every single thing went boom.

[DPSSOC]

txgoldrush wrote...

Raven of the Night wrote...
I want to share my impressions of the opening if You guys do not mind.

I have been playing PC/console games for 15 years now so the gameplay (especially in shooters) is not very high in my list of priorities. It is the narration and the characters in the Bioware games which made me like their games with the Mass Effect 2 being one of a few games I have enjoyed the most in my life.

With Mass Effect 3 the developers' focus (at least for the opening) seems to have shifted: no exposition and obvious desire to throw the players into action as fast as possible, poor writing with many meaningless one-liners, the player is now mostly a spectator in his/her character's dialogues etc.

Since this demo (and opening in particular) closely represents the quality of the final game - it contained almost no substance and qualities I had expected from a game by Bioware and I have decided to wait for some reviews and videos to get more information about the game before making a decision. Also: I have finished ME2 10 days ago for the 6th time and the demo of ME3 felt like it was developed either by the different group of people or with the different set of goals.

And yet story driven games have time and time, thrown you into the action with very little or no exposition, and yet we don't complain about this, we go with it. In fact , it is used to break the slow start cliche. Its a techinique.

And ME3 HAS different goals, its war. Its a different type of narrative than the first two games. Therefore its all about action and closing storylines. Look a Return of the King.

Return of the King doesn't really work because Tolkien originally wrote The Lord of the Rings as a single book.  When he took it to get published the publisher wanted him to break it down into 3 smaller books.  Besides doesn't Return of the King start off pretty damn slow?  I should read those again now that I think about it.  Anywho you do raise a good point that it's a different type of narrative which requires different pacing, writing, etc.  We all get that and yeah flinging the player into unknown territory really early with little exposition (you brought up KotOR II earlier) is a commonly used technique that's great for generating interest.

Here's the problem, most of those games I can remember are the very start of a story, not the final act.  KotOR II while a sequel is an entirely new story; leaving the player adrift works and connections to the past work can be made as the story progresses because the past work isn't immediately relevant.  In ME3 the past work is immediately relevant because it's direct carry over.  Again ME2 handled this well enough with a short blurb about what's happened between the end of ME1 and the beginning of ME2.

Furthermore in those games both player and character are in the same position.  Bringing up KotOR II again neither the player nor their character knows what's going on and they both find out together (though the player may figure things out quicker).  In ME3 the player doesn't have a clue what's going on but Shepard's fine.  Shepard knows exactly what's going on, and because all the other characters do too they aren't bothering to fill in the player.

Now if you're right and the player is filled in after I point out again that it doesn't matter anymore.  Bringing the player up to speed about the circumstances that got them from the end of ME2 (on your ship, in the Terminus, with allies) to the beginning of ME3 (in a detention center, on Earth, with nobody) doesn't matter because that part of the game is done.  Unless Bioware is going to have us go back to Earth, and go finish that meeting with the defence committee the when, why, what, how, where of the intro is irrelevant beyond simple curiousity.  It'd be like Star Wars giving an explanation of the Carbon Freeze after Han Solo's already been freed, it may be interesting but it isn't important anymore.

txgoldrush wrote...
And really, is it logical to have or continue a trial AFTER the military command finds their colonies going dark, which is what happens in the demo intro? Or, is it more logical to question the guy who may know something about the threat.

Which would be great if Shepard hadn't been on Earth for 6 months and the trial concluded already. That's the real gripe for me, the fact that the trial/hearing/whatever happened and was decided off screen. I wouldn't mind too much if the trial was handled without my input, say a cutscene where Shepard is told that for his actions he's to be stripped of rank and kicked out of the Alliance, but because of his service record they'll keep him on as an advisor to help assess the Reaper situation.

That wouldn't have been my ideal scenario but it would have done well enough. What really irks me about it is that all this was decided, Shepard's come to terms (more or less) with it, and everybody's ok with it while I'm being kept in the f***ing dark, and again it doesn't matter at this point if explanation is coming later, because it ceased to be relevant the minute we lost contact with the moon.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 20 février 2012 - 12:46 .

[TMA LIVE]

AxisEvolve wrote...

I uploaded the 'Arrival' dialog from the demo files if anyone is interested.

Notice in this version, Anderson does not say Shepard wasn't tried. He simple says he would have gotten court martial, and left to rot in the brig.

Though really Shepard should be worried about the batarian side of things.

[Skyblade012]

Shortstuff820 wrote...

I have been reading this thread for a long time now and I feel I should voice my own opinion.

Yes, it's disappointing that there is no trial and I was someone looking forward to it. And yes, the intro is rushed, has poorly-written dialogue and leaves little in the way of explanation.

However, it has been confirmed that more dialogue/options will be available in the full game and some of it changes depending on your import. The game probably starts out more action-oriented to introduce fans of shooters to one of the best game series in the industry. We will most likely start to see more traditional Mass Effect elements at some point after the intro or first few hours of the game.

Drawing in shooter fans is pretty much the point to the demo and the rushed/underdone intro and is not meant to impress veterans of the series.. We have only seen about 2% of the whole game and I have no doubt the rest of it will turn out to be much better and more traditional. With that said, despite the disappointing first few minutes, I am looking forward to an awesome ME3.

I am sick of hearing this reasoning over and over and over, and since this is the closest way I can **** to BioWare and EA about it, I'm going to go off on a rant for a bit.  If you aren't an employee of one of those companies, feel free to ignore this post.

FORGET ABOUT THE DAMNED SHOOTER CROWD.  Your game is NOT a shooter, it's an RPG.  This demo is not going to impress any shooter fan enough for them to pick up the game.  You've been touting and showing off your shooter mechanics since ME2 started development.  There's already an ME2 demo to play through.  Do you really think there are millions of fans out there waiting to see some subtly manipulated mechanics that are going to convince them to pick up the third entry of a series they've been ignoring?

No one wants to buy a Gears of War clone, or some other generic shooter.  There are thousands of generic shooters out there, the market is literally packed with them.  If you want to pull them over, you'll have to introduce something more than the average shooter, and you definitely did not do that in this demo.  What Mass Effect has, that the other shooters on the market do not, is it's status as an RPG.  It is more than a shooter, and that is what the demo should have been showing off.

This isn't just in the intro scenes, this is in the mechanics all the way down the line.  Frankly, the average shooter player has played this demo a thousand times already.  There is nothing new here at all.  Do you want to pique their interest?  Offer them something unique that might draw them in?  Then show off what is unique about the series.

The other classes were basically unplayable in the demo.  The weight penalty for your moronically enforced four-gun loadout meant that every class was forced to play as a Soldier, and meant that customization and abilities were useless.  There went something that might have appealed to your precious shooter market, a varied, but still strong and well designed play style.

The story, something that no shooter on the market could possibly compete with Mass Effect on, is a joke in the demo.  Ask a shooter fan to try this, on the grounds that the Mass Effect series has better storytelling than any other shooter on the market, while maintaining incredible gameplay, and you will get laughed out of the room, because the story is so bad.

Also, why did you feel the need to cripple the single player mode to appeal to your mindless shooter masses?  Wasn't the entire reason behind giving those who had Battlefield 3 early access to the multiplayer demo to give the shooter fans a look at something that might appeal to them more?  So why did you feel that the single player experience needed to be ruined to appeal to them as well?

The purpose of your demo is to get people playing, and enjoying your game.  To get it to stand out as something people might actually want to buy.  You failed at that purpose.  But, you did an excellent job at what you tried to do.  You took an excellent RPG series and dumbed it down to the point that it fits nicely among the thousands of other shooters.  It fits so well that it offers nothing new to the genre or experience as a whole, and doesn't stand out enough that any of your target demographic will even consider buying it.  Congratulations.

[TheRevanchist]

^ I find it impossible to disagree with this sentament. I think the same way about 'new players' in general. Call me w/e you want, but I feel anyone who has ignored ME for the last 5 years does not deserve special treatment. They most likely won't give a rats ass no matter what Bioware butchers to get them to play their game.

[Liber320]

Skyblade012 wrote...


I am sick of hearing this reasoning over and over and over, and since this is the closest way I can **** to BioWare and EA about it, I'm going to go off on a rant for a bit.  If you aren't an employee of one of those companies, feel free to ignore this post.

FORGET ABOUT THE DAMNED SHOOTER CROWD.  Your game is NOT a shooter, it's an RPG.  This demo is not going to impress any shooter fan enough for them to pick up the game.  You've been touting and showing off your shooter mechanics since ME2 started development.  There's already an ME2 demo to play through.  Do you really think there are millions of fans out there waiting to see some subtly manipulated mechanics that are going to convince them to pick up the third entry of a series they've been ignoring?

No one wants to buy a Gears of War clone, or some other generic shooter.  There are thousands of generic shooters out there, the market is literally packed with them.  If you want to pull them over, you'll have to introduce something more than the average shooter, and you definitely did not do that in this demo.  What Mass Effect has, that the other shooters on the market do not, is it's status as an RPG.  It is more than a shooter, and that is what the demo should have been showing off.

This isn't just in the intro scenes, this is in the mechanics all the way down the line.  Frankly, the average shooter player has played this demo a thousand times already.  There is nothing new here at all.  Do you want to pique their interest?  Offer them something unique that might draw them in?  Then show off what is unique about the series.

The other classes were basically unplayable in the demo.  The weight penalty for your moronically enforced four-gun loadout meant that every class was forced to play as a Soldier, and meant that customization and abilities were useless.  There went something that might have appealed to your precious shooter market, a varied, but still strong and well designed play style.

The story, something that no shooter on the market could possibly compete with Mass Effect on, is a joke in the demo.  Ask a shooter fan to try this, on the grounds that the Mass Effect series has better storytelling than any other shooter on the market, while maintaining incredible gameplay, and you will get laughed out of the room, because the story is so bad.

Also, why did you feel the need to cripple the single player mode to appeal to your mindless shooter masses?  Wasn't the entire reason behind giving those who had Battlefield 3 early access to the multiplayer demo to give the shooter fans a look at something that might appeal to them more?  So why did you feel that the single player experience needed to be ruined to appeal to them as well?

The purpose of your demo is to get people playing, and enjoying your game.  To get it to stand out as something people might actually want to buy.  You failed at that purpose.  But, you did an excellent job at what you tried to do.  You took an excellent RPG series and dumbed it down to the point that it fits nicely among the thousands of other shooters.  It fits so well that it offers nothing new to the genre or experience as a whole, and doesn't stand out enough that any of your target demographic will even consider buying it.  Congratulations.

Bravo!
Too many devs are trying to make their games please everyone, when all they're doing is ruining what makes their games stand out. If this trend keeps on every game will end up being a generic mess with nothing to make it stand out from any other game.

It seems like games are on the same track as movies, but are moving along it much faster.

[Liber320]

kylecouch wrote...

^ I find it impossible to disagree with this sentament. I think the same way about 'new players' in general. Call me w/e you want, but I feel anyone who has ignored ME for the last 5 years does not deserve special treatment. They most likely won't give a rats ass no matter what Bioware butchers to get them to play their game.

I agree completely.

Stop trying to drag as many new players in as possible, at the cost of game quality. 
Resident Evil's doing something similar. A franchise that started off as survival horror is now trying to be as action-packed as possible to "acttract the COD crowd" (quoted from the devs). It's pathetic

[AlanC9]

DPSSOC wrote...
That wouldn't have been my ideal scenario but it would have done well enough. What really irks me about it is that all this was decided, Shepard's come to terms (more or less) with it, and everybody's ok with it while I'm being kept in the f***ing dark, and again it doesn't matter at this point if explanation is coming later, because it ceased to be relevant the minute we lost contact with the moon.

Were you being kept in the darK? Excuse me, the f***ing dark. It's pretty obvious what happened to Shepard from the demo. What is it, exactly, that's unclear ?

(I should probably stop hanging around this thread, sicne I never thought a trial was a good idea in the first place. But there are all these posts I just don't understand)

[Atakuma]

Skyblade012 wrote...
The purpose of your demo is to get people playing, and enjoying your game.  To get it to stand out as something people might actually want to buy.  You failed at that purpose.  But, you did an excellent job at what you tried to do.  You took an excellent RPG series and dumbed it down to the point that it fits nicely among the thousands of other shooters.  It fits so well that it offers nothing new to the genre or experience as a whole, and doesn't stand out enough that any of your target demographic will even consider buying it.  Congratulations.

First, the reaction to the demo has been generally positive, to call it a failure because you didn't like it is silly. Secondly, Me3 is inarguably more complex than ME2, I don't see how it can be considered dumbed down.

Modifié par Atakuma, 20 février 2012 - 05:50 .

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and do I care how many friends I got on BSN? No....I really do not use the feature.

Yeah....is saying the sky is green reality? It is a point of view. Face it, you're just wrong.

Take my advice: ****** off. You're clearly not interested in discussion.

That has been apparent for past 80 pages he/she has been present. A lot of us tried reasoning and a lot tried debate and all ended up with insults thrown back and sarcasm, arrogance and attitude. When read up on the definition of trolling which I went back and did to make sure it was what he or she was doing, it matched perfectly.

I thought Bioware mods or devs would of warned him or her by now because of his or her responses in here.

Face it, you are debating from points of unknown and the illogical...I am pointing out your BS...while others are whining about not getting their way.

You tried nothing, the point is , its lillogical to say the game or game does not need something before seeing the full picture. This whole damn thread is, there is no trial,  it must mean that Bioware's quality has sunk. That notion is so stupid and illogical.

Fourth time now have contradicted yourself. You very specifically spent about 10 pages saying the game does not "need" a trial and now your saying we shouldn't be saying game does or does not need something. Give it a rest already.

The game does not "need" anything, hell, the game even did not "need" to start on Earth. The only "need" for the intro is just to start the story.

Correct, as the one who had to point that out to you on multiple occassions in this thread I am glad it finally has sunk in. Because it does not need it and with need having nothing to do with it, you finally acknowledge this once and for all... Then what is the harm in having it added for those who would of "prefered" it? 

If your reply is yet again "because it might have been bad", then stop before try as mentioned earlier if you want things cut because it "may" be badly written and you have no faith in Biowares ability to write it well then you may as well skip the entire game because it may/might/could contain many parts that you do not consider to be amazing or find disappointing or simply potentially be "bad" if you have so little faith in their ability to create such content.

And what is the harm in not having a trial, since there isn't one? Your question is just hypothetical, mine is reality.

And you really ought to understand why things are cut and changed. Like I said, they did not think the trial, THE WAY THEY HAD IT, worked.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 20 février 2012 - 06:04 .

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First off DA2's intro plays by different rules considering its a frame story, Varrics story of you. In fact, was intentionally made to have wierd pacing. No one wants to jusge it by its own rules, just theirs, which is illogical. On the other hand, templars not recognizing mages in Act I is a flaw judging by the story's own standards.

DA2 fails at introducing Hawke or the Blight (both of which are central issues), because it starts too late post-Lothering. But as a self-contained thing, it at least builds up to something, even if it is terribly linear. You run into a party NPC, you have a few conversations...

And really, is it logical to have or continue a trial AFTER the military command finds their colonies going dark, which is what happens in the demo intro? Or, is it more logical to question the guy who may know something about the threat.

Its very simple logic.

The trial was cut because it probably did not work in the writer's view on multiple levels.

There wasn't any questioning. A bunch of high level officials were cowering, Shepard got called from some random room, and then every single thing went boom.

And the Blight was already introduced in DAO...it did not need to be introduced in DA2, especially when it did not concentrate on the Blight.

There was some, but then again, their cowering fits the intro as they realize that the threat they were looking at is here and they are not ready. The Arrival dialogue suggests that the human committee actually did believe the Reapers existed and Shep got off because of it (or remained under investigation for further action).

Modifié par txgoldrush, 20 février 2012 - 06:03 .