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[CrypticZer0]

It's official, there's no way in hell anyone is going to take you seriously.  No clue if I'm the only one special enough but...

You actually had the audacity to send me a private message saying that I am "uninformed", then you go on to plug your Twitter account the same way you do in this thread in which nobody cares about.  Keep the crap in this pointless thread please.

ODESSA_Z11:43 PM 2012-02-12
"A few people on here posting have made the statement that I don't know how games are made...you can follow me on twitter @ODESSA_Z and find out what top game industry professionals follow me. You can also view pictures of my recent visit to EA...my friends are top industry devs...I know more about how games are made than most devs believe it or not.   You should never cal someone out who you don't know."

You obviously don't know how to hold a discussion with others without spamming them and essentially tooting your own horn.  That alone is reason enough that you should never post here again.  Especially not the way you've gone about presenting yourself and your completely ignorant view point.

Modifié par CrypticZer0, 13 février 2012 - 09:38 .

[CulturalMarxist]

Oh man, the drama in this thread is kind of ridiculous and tl;dr. Did I make a mistake in registering here?

Okay, so here's the funny thing about multi-player. When it's added to a game, it's purely an addition. That's all. Just a gameplay addition geared towards getting other people to interact with each other. It's not forced. Bioware is not sending armed thugs to your house/apartment/dorm/squat and coercing you to play the multi-player. If you want to play it, then play it. If you don't, then don't. It's literally that simple.

It's always so weird to see people complain about a gameplay addition that only adds gaming hours to a game. Casual (omg buzzword) fun with friends is actually adding hours (and memories of super fun times) to your game. It's fun (omg buzzword). I mean, I could understand someone flipping out over a game that traditionally had multi-player (Like, I don't know, Halo?) suddenly be released without it. But when it's added, should it be a big deal?

One little rumor I don't like is that the multi-player characters might get a cameo, which I find to be ridiculous. Multi-player is a silly, alternate universe version of the single-player game. In my mind, at least. Silly alternate universe characters shouldn't have cameos in the single-player story. It's just so... OC donut steal, my salarian knows Commander Shepard!!! They met in game, it's canon!

DinoSteve wrote...

an elder scrolls mmo would be good but also have a seperate sp game as well, thats what I would do

Are you sure? I mean, think of all the animu weeb mods crowding the Nexus. You want that on an MMO? I love sp just because it gives me the option to avoid the eternally creepy "adult" (more like man child) mods. In an MMO, I'd be exposed to such terrible, mind splitting things all the time! All the time!

They have an MMO like that, it's called Second Life.

[CulturalMarxist]

Where are the racist undertones? Oh, because of the Inclusionwhatever and Segregationotpayingattention? HAHA!!?? WHAT?

They're words. You can use them without "racist understones." Oh my god, my sides. What has the world come to?

[CulturalMarxist]

Uh huh, okay! That's a really interesting way of looking at it. Your opinion! I'm of the opinion that words are just words and are incapable of being racist.

But no more being off topic!

[alex90c]

"inclusionists" and "segregationists"?

wtf?

[Drone223]

alex90c wrote...

"inclusionists" and "segregationists"?

wtf?

[Aimi]

CulturalMarxist wrote...

Oh man, the drama in this thread is kind of ridiculous and tl;dr. Did I make a mistake in registering here?

Yes. Yes, you did.

[grimkillah]

The Single Player will rise again. (In my best Southern Georgia accent)

Modifié par grimkillah, 13 février 2012 - 10:00 .

[CrypticZer0]

CulturalMarxist wrote...

Oh man, the drama in this thread is kind of ridiculous and tl;dr. Did I make a mistake in registering here?

Okay, so here's the funny thing about multi-player. When it's added to a game, it's purely an addition. That's all. Just a gameplay addition geared towards getting other people to interact with each other. It's not forced. Bioware is not sending armed thugs to your house/apartment/dorm/squat and coercing you to play the multi-player. If you want to play it, then play it. If you don't, then don't. It's literally that simple.

It's always so weird to see people complain about a gameplay addition that only adds gaming hours to a game. Casual (omg buzzword) fun with friends is actually adding hours (and memories of super fun times) to your game. It's fun (omg buzzword). I mean, I could understand someone flipping out over a game that traditionally had multi-player (Like, I don't know, Halo?) suddenly be released without it. But when it's added, should it be a big deal?

Maybe if the OP didn't go about this thread the way he has in a completely terrible fashion, then maybe there wouldn't be any drama at all condisering what's done is done and whether any of us like it or dislike it, it's in the game.  

I stated that in my first post and made it clear that this topic is sincerely just beating a dead horse at this point.

However, there's perfectly legitimate reasons as to why people like myself and many, many others are against this cooperative mode.  Doesn't mean I won't buy Mass Effect 3 and doesn't mean I won't enjoy what I know Mass Effect to be.  But the way that Odessa goes about saying things in such a condescending nature is laughable at best and idiotic to say the least.

We all have opinions, if you happen to disagree then so be it go about it via concrete discussion, not the way the OP has in which is completely lacking any face value when you take into account how ignorant his posts are and how obvious of a "troll" if you want to put it lightly he really is.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/8638693/3#8867602  Need I say more?  Stating, " SP only players are SP players only because they suck at gaming in general...", is just asking for anyone and everyone to invalidate anything  he has to say.  Couple that with what's been stated in this thread by him and you have an impossible discussion and this thread really does serve absolutely no purpose.

Herp derp, tl;dr.  Completely standard here on the BSN. 

[ODESSA_Z]

I think, in the end...Bioware is going to make ME3 and future releases with the main objective focused on keeping the franchise strong by INCLUDING modes that market research finds to be most beneficial to fulfilling that goal.

and...nobody here has yet said that they are not buying ME3 because it has CO-OP. If you were really going to stand on principle that SP only is what ME3 should be, you wouldn't buy it. But you will still pay your 60.00 dollars or whatever for the game.

With it now reported that ME3 has already gone GOLD...I think it is fair to say that the consumer, that the fans....have spoken.

So, the pointless discussion about keeping MP out of ME games is over. This thread was only made to illustrate the stark contrast between types of fans and to defend Bioware's decision.

Sorry some of you don't like the word segregationist, if there is a better word that describes people who want to keep MP out of certain games....lemme know.

Maybe the word loner fits...it is how one person on these forums described themselves..."loners"? Maybe? those who wish to play alone all the time? IDK...

[Prom001]

grimkillah wrote...

The Single Player will rise again. (In my best Southern Georgia accent)

I laughing so hard right now.

[silver_sparrow]

What part of EA spent their resources on an optional feature do people not understand?

[ODESSA_Z]

silver_sparrow wrote...

What part of EA spent their resources on an optional feature do people not understand?

The decision to create modes begins in the beginning of the project. Many meetings are held to determine how best to go about making the game. They don't "take away" resources that were dedicated to the SP. Teams are all set from the very beginning of the project.

Therefore, no resources are taken away from anything....the resources were dedicated in the beginning to MP. 

You don't think Bioware may have hired additional employees, knowing in advance that they were adding CO-OP?

You think Bioware is dumb? They are professionals who know that when the decision is made to do something, thye will get the resources, not take resources away from another area.

[Balek-Vriege]

silver_sparrow wrote...

What part of EA spent their resources on an optional feature do people not understand?

It's not about understanding.  It's about ignoring that fact and trying to prove to people through hyperbole and baseless claims, that their position is the correct one because they can't concede a point.  Most of the complaints seem to go that way.  Somone posts a topic and have obviously ignored or are ignorant of announced features.  They post a rant and people reply stating common sense, announced features, screens and other evidence to disprove the asssumption. 75% of the time all of that is discarded by the complainer(s) and the debate slowly evolves into an emotion argument.  After a couple pages it becomes clear that the topic wasn't really about a feature, but was about one or more of the following:

-ME1 was better than ME2 and is the only true Mass Effect.
-ME1 was better than ME2 which means ME1 and ME2 will be better than ME3.
-ME2 sucks and ME3 will suck because they changed stuff from ME1.
-ME2 sucks and ME3 will suck because their stories aren't what I envisioned happening when I was playing ME1.
-Dragon Age 2 sucked so ME3 will suck (complete lack of understanding about which Dev Teams are working on what games in Bioware.  Or just don't know that Bioware isn't one group of Devs but many in various cities working on different games/projects.)
-Bioware is only out to make money.
-Bioware is currupted by EA.
-EA is evil.
-MP took resources from SP in ME3 so ME3 will suck (again a simple mindset of how development, publishing, and financing actually works.  Bioware Edmonton which has always made Mass Effect worked on SP and the new Bioware Montreal division took up MP.  Bioware Edmonton got additional financing and it was even stated that both Dev teams shared programming, level designs etc. so its possible we got more out of having MP, not less.)
-Although I want to play MP, it makes me uncomfortable because I don't like playing with others if seen as less skilled or a noob. (understandable)
-I'm a completionist and feel compelled to play modes and additions I don't like (MP, Insanity).  They should be removed so I don't feel left out, even if they have no effect on my game if I decide not to play them.
-I don't like the idea of shooters or the people who play them and I don't want them playing my chosen RPG games.
-Improvements or changes to combat make ME less RPG like because we all know RPG elements and good combat are impossible to have at the same time.
-I have reservations, ideals, personal issues or assumptions in real life and apply them to my games as well.

Now again there's a good amount of threads where posters are generally concerned or inquisitive about an issue, but most are just people pushing the above agendas.

[Prom001]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

grimkillah wrote...

The Single Player will rise again.

Heil eins spielen!


*wow, that's abysmal*

As a native speaker i tell you it is

HEIL ALLEINE SPIELEN!

[Prom001]

@ODESSA_Z

I seems to me you dont understand how a productive discussion works.

[incinerator950]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

silver_sparrow wrote...

What part of EA spent their resources on an optional feature do people not understand?

It's not about understanding.  It's about ignoring that fact and trying to prove to people through hyperbole and baseless claims, that their position is the correct one because they can't concede a point.  Most of the complaints seem to go that way.  Somone posts a topic and have obviously ignored or are ignorant of announced features.  They post a rant and people reply stating common sense, announced features, screens and other evidence to disprove the asssumption. 75% of the time all of that is discarded by the complainer(s) and the debate slowly evolves into an emotion argument.  After a couple pages it becomes clear that the topic wasn't really about a feature, but was about one or more of the following:

Oh my, I think I'm in love.

[ODESSA_Z]

Prom001 wrote...

@ODESSA_Z

I seems to me you dont understand how a productive discussion works.

There is nothing in this thread to be productive about. You are either someone who wants game developers, if possible, to add modes on to games to include other types of gamers or you are someone who wants to exclude other types of gamers from enjoying a franchise in their way.

There is really nothing to discuss in this thread other than what you are, an inclusionist or a segregationist and why you fall on one side or the other.

I'm glad Bioware gets to see the ignorance of people who bash their decision to add CO-OP. Maybe now they can stop feeling defensive for doing so. Maybe now they see some fans standing up for them and what type of gamer supports CO-OP and what type bashes CO-OP.

[HTTP 404]

I like to go outside sometimes....its the the best mmorpg

Modifié par HTTP 404, 13 février 2012 - 05:42 .