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The ME3 cast and how it should have been done?


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gearseffect

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This is my feelings on this issue and if anyone dissagres with my statements then provide me with a vailed reason I tried to stay non baised and take into acount the Characters, the Universe, the Plots, keeping a maintanalbe squad size, what sort of conversations one could have with these characters in there were sqaudies, and of course their Fans aswell as the fan base Bioware got when ME2 came out on the PS3.

Regarding the ME3 Squad Mate and Crew Members List there can be
arguements made as to why any character should be back or that they are
not that important to the plot to bring back. I'm going to lay it out
there and explore each of the characters and their motivations and
personalities.

For the sake of things lets just asume that everyone survived the
Suicide Mission in ME3. Because BW is bringing back characters that can
die in the Suicide Mission so they should be able to work them into the
squad if the want to.

The argument of plot relevance


If a character is a importent to a sub plot wouldn't it be best to keep
that character to that part of the game? Because if the character had
died you would need to come up with a new character for the plot. So to
simplify things and cut the roster back remove the character from the
squad and sit them out. It makes bioware's job easier and they don't
have to spend as much time coming up with a story for the new character
if they're not a full time squad mate.

By removing said character from the squad you wouldn't have to create a
new a character for the player to talk with and drag along with them on a
full ship as well giving players a bigger impact on things and allow for
more out comes in the game. Mass Effect is all about the out come.

When Bioware says that bringing back the ME2 cast is too hard given the
SM but spends the time to get Garrus and Tali back as squad members just
says they had other priorities then making it work,



1.Mordin: Member of the STG, worked on modifying Genophage, and by all
accounts is a well respected Salarian and considered a geniuses. The
Genophage is a big subplot and Mordin has some very big ties to it. If
he died in the SM then Bioware has to create a new character for this
subplot.  Also considering he is a well respected member of the STG he
likely has all kinds of pull to help rally the salarians to help against
the reapers. He adds more to the plot if he is confined to a single
part of the game than if he is with Shepard the whole time.



2.Wrex: Wrex is trying to unite the Korgan. If he runs off with Shepard
for the whole game the Krogan wouldn't respond well to it. He has huge
ties to the Krogan Genophage subplot removing him from Shepards full
time crew allows for more than keeping him.


3.Liara: Liara's new role as the Shadow Broker she seems to be taking
the place of The Council and the Illusive Man in ME1&2 Given this
Liara should really be kept confined to either the Normandy or Shadow
Broker Base Ship. Keeping her grounded is the more logical thing to do.
If she dies the Shadow Broker Network goes. Liara could be arbourd the
Normand as a Non-Squad Mate as a sign of fan service and Feron could be
back at Shadow Broker base.



4.Zaeed: He was a DLC Character for ME2 and as such He has no huge ties
to any sub plots. But he did form the Blue Suns with Vido Santiago. He's
also a great choice to remove from the squad to cut back it's size. If
he's not in the Squad where would he be? I think Zaeed could be placed
in a Commando type strike team. Up against the Reapers attacks or even
against Cerberus points of interest. Even if Vido is alive he'd be easy
to have killed given Liara is the Shadow Broker With those resources
this is where I think Zaeed would be found and best suited to who he is
as a character.



5.Kasumi: The other DLC Character. As a DLC Character No ties to any
subplots but she had a limited personality and joined Shepard in ME2 for
the Money and to get revenge for death of her Lover Kagi Okuda, and
steal his Grey Box back.Given her limited personality in ME2 she could
be removed from Shepard's team and put some place else to cut back
problems her death in the SM could cause. Granted you'll be pissing off
all her fans who want her as a Love Interest.



6.Miranda:
Logically if Miranda were to leave Cerberus TIM could give just give
the info on her Sister's location to her father for a huge sum of money and
may even have her delivered to him. On the other hand Miranda staying on
with Shepard may add to being able to take down Cerberus. On the other
hand we don't know much about her father other then he's wealthy,
powerful, and very influential, and used to be a a big supporter and
generous backer for Cerberus.

It makes sense for BW to keep her as part of Shepards team, even with
the side plot of Ceberus and her Father. Bioware already has a decent
replacement for that if she died in the SM and that replacement is her Sister. Given all
this and her fan base keeping her with Shepard makes more sense and
keeps more fans happy.



7.Samara: She is a Justicar who has to punish the wicked and protect the
innocent. No ties to sub plots other then her own of the Ardot-Yaksi
and Justicars. The code dictates she save and protect the innocent. I
don't know of a bigger threat to innocent then the Reapers. If Samara
didn't approve of Shepard's actions in ME2 and would be forced to kill
Shepard in ME3 best to get it out of the way right away. If not then BW
keeps her fans Happy and she remains part of the crew. Also Samara being
on the team allows us to learn more about the Justicar Code. Samara
also has another Daughter who is wanted for murder so she's all set for a
loyalty mission too


8.Morinth: If Shepard saved her over Samara. She is addicted to killing
and there is no cure for Adrot-Yaksi' condition. This character is a
toss up wild card. She lives for herself and is addicted to the high she
get's when mating that causes death. Just look at the out come if she
mates with Shepard at the end of ME2. I have no real fondness of this
character but she has her fans. Bioware's best choice may be to deal
with her in a similar matter as I mentioned with Samara. But then what
would they write for conversations to have with her? She didn't have
much to say if you chose to save her. BW could take the easy way out and
write her off the team but that upsets the fans she has.
I am not a fan of hers SO some insight would be great.



9.Jacob T: Would anyone miss him if he were gone? I don't know but given
what little I know about this characters history it would be simple
enough to remove him from Shepards crew they could even put him with
Anderson or something like that so when Anderson shows up so will Jacob.
If Jacob is dead then BW don't have to worry about a replacement
character it's that simple.



10.Thane: No ties to any Sub Plots other then his LM and the ones his
character introduced. He was trying to make the galaxy a better place
before he died and sticking with Shepard is where I think he would be.
Besides here again it means BW don't have to create a replacement for
him if he stays with Shepard.



11.Legion: He was looking for "Shepard Commander Fought Heretics, opposed old
Machines" he was created to go into organic space as a single platform
would not spark a war. Legion has ties to the Geth/Quarian sub plot If
he stays it creates a problem of creating a new Geth character to tag
along with Shepard. If he is not part of the Crew it makes things better
for BW as they only have to create a replacement character for the
Sub-Plot. Given Legion could die on the SM or be sold to Ceberus, or not
woken up, and his ties to the sub plot he would be best off the team.



12.Grunt: A Krogan who was made to be an insult to the Genophage and is
called a Pure Krogan but yet retains the Genophage markings in his DNA.
WTF? He was created by a deranged Krogan Warlord. Am I the only one who
don't get that? He could be just as easily written off the team as on
the team. If he were on the team what sort of mission could he have?
What sort of conversations are they to have with him other? The only
thing he may add to the team is a Krogan Squad mate just because. Take
him off makes more sense to me,



12.Jack: She is the most problematic Depending on how things where between you and Jack if
they were fine she'd stay. If you Pissed her off she'd be gone if she
were gone were would she be that she'd fit? On her own? Getting Mental
health haha Jack admitting herself to get mental heath. No Ties to sub
plots other then she was a boitic experimented on by Cerberus as a child
hence her psychological Issues. Keeping her on the team makes sense as
it keeps her fans happy and the PS3 player who got on board with ME2. 





13.Garrus: IF he is off the team where would he show up at? Keep him on the team? I think so.


14.Tali: Ties to the Geth/Quarian sub-plot but her role there could be
filled by random quarian, given she could end up exiled or dead in ME2
best bet is keep her on the team and it won't anger her fans.



15.Kaidan/Ashley: Bring them back the people who had them as their LI in
ME1 have unresolved issues that need to be taken care of in ME3. One is
dead the other isn't no matter what so it only adds one more team
member.





Crew Members:

1.Gabby
and Ken: They seemed to join Cerberus just to because they wanted to do
something about stopping the Reapers and wanted to support Shepard.
They'd be back as part of Shepard's crew.

2.Kelly Chambers: She helps
keep moral up and her staying would make more sense than her leaving.
The only reason I don't see her coming back is because BW didn't want to
make it work.

3.Rupert the chef:I'd see him either staying or
leaving. Would anyone miss him if he was gone? I could see him being
left out of ME3 just to simplify things.

Modifié par gearseffect, 13 février 2012 - 03:24 .


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KillerKilobyte

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You forgot Dr. Chakwas.

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My understanding is that ALL former crew mates will be back in the game but not in the playable stance. For example Jacob might be back and be there for tactical advice and just man the Normandy's weapons locker. I like this idea, while it might be fun to throw a new face or two into the mix (and they are with the new guy) I think it would be fun/nice to see the storyline play out with the characters we've grown accustomed to. I also wouldn't mind if there was 2 sets of squad mates. Active ones, such as Garrus, Tali, Legion and wrex/grunt that are always available for every mission. And characters that play an active role in the background but occasionally have missions that require them to go out such as Moridin or Jacob.

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Um my understanding is a bit different and it looks like Dietz's book will only serve as a preview of the fans anger, Bioware is really messing things up.

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gearseffect wrote...

14.Tali: Ties to the Geth/Quarian sub-plot but her role there could be
filled by random quarian, given she could end up exiled or dead in ME2
best bet is keep her on the team and it won't anger her fans.


And this is the way BioWare went.

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http://www.gamespot....-qanda-6349736/

in this Q&A the guy says explicitly that ALL characters from ME1 and ME2 will return in ME3 in some form. He says for example that he wont say if Kasumi is playable or a LI but that she does come back and has an impact on the game. The also show moridin in one of the game clips, but that's been shown before so not a big surprise.

edit: this interview was posted on Feb 3. So not sure how old some peoples info is.

Modifié par Bantz, 14 février 2012 - 03:48 .


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Garrus & Tali are/will be playable in all 3 games. You didn't even get Tali till halfway through ME2. How is Tali a more important ME3 squadmate than some of the more core ME2 cast espeacialy Miranda. This is the end of the trilogy and none of them should have excuses for not being in the squad. Its like Bioware set up all this character development in ME2 (that they never really did for ME1) just to ditch the ME2 characters. I recall Samara at the end of ME2 talking like she was going to be with you till it was all over......what happened?

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Viking Stoner wrote...

Garrus & Tali are/will be playable in all 3 games. You didn't even get Tali till halfway through ME2. How is Tali a more important ME3 squadmate than some of the more core ME2 cast espeacialy Miranda. This is the end of the trilogy and none of them should have excuses for not being in the squad. Its like Bioware set up all this character development in ME2 (that they never really did for ME1) just to ditch the ME2 characters. I recall Samara at the end of ME2 talking like she was going to be with you till it was all over......what happened?


This.

Times a friggin million.

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Bantz wrote...

http://www.gamespot....-qanda-6349736/

in this Q&A the guy says explicitly that ALL characters from ME1 and ME2 will return in ME3 in some form. He says for example that he wont say if Kasumi is playable or a LI but that she does come back and has an impact on the game. The also show moridin in one of the game clips, but that's been shown before so not a big surprise.

edit: this interview was posted on Feb 3. So not sure how old some peoples info is.

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gearseffect wrote...

Um my understanding is a bit different and it looks like Dietz's book will only serve as a preview of the fans anger, Bioware is really messing things up.


Why aren't you doing his job then? 

Like I'm dead serious, not being a jerk.

We can talk about what we don't like and all that noise, but the reality is a lot of us don't have the skill to conjure up stories or write stories that would make it into that profession. Let alone become successful. 

It's easy for us to arm chair quarterback anything. 

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StephanieBengal wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

Um my understanding is a bit different and it looks like Dietz's book will only serve as a preview of the fans anger, Bioware is really messing things up.


Why aren't you doing his job then? 

Like I'm dead serious, not being a jerk.

We can talk about what we don't like and all that noise, but the reality is a lot of us don't have the skill to conjure up stories or write stories that would make it into that profession. Let alone become successful. 

It's easy for us to arm chair quarterback anything. 

I meant my understanding of some of the characters roles in the game is a bit diff, and that some fans are gonna be verry PO.
Well lets see the reason I'm not doing a job like that is where the f*ck am I gonna get the schooling at? I live in bumFF*ck South Dakota and honesty don't have the type of money to get myself a college education. Not to mention I got Dislexia.
If I could I be going to some out of state College for journelisam, or something like that it would open all sorts of doors in a buttload of cereers.

When the game comes out if it is anything like I've heard it is people are going to be beyond Angery. Tali's fans will be nothing compared to the legions of angery fans of some of the characters.