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[Butcher_of_Torfan]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I would think in times of a massive alien invasion (both a massive attack and massive aliens) you are willing to risk the damage to the planet to try to repell the attackers.

This is the one point in history if there ever was one where the captain would say "damn the gravity well, get us down there!"   They knew full well they couldnt get back in orbit, and didnt care

[Omega-202]

How the hell are people distinguishing between landing and hovering 100 feet up? The effects of gravity on the ship are the same. If it can hover 100 feet up, it can hover 1 foot off the ground. If it can hover 1 foot off the ground, it can land.

They broke the lore, plain and simple. There's no explaining it away.

I mean, while we're discussing how stupid this is, forget the part about how a Dreadnought class ship's floors are aligned perpendicular to the engines. Everyone on that ship would be standing on the ventral side walls of each room...I'm sure they would do a great job fighting that Reaper while spun 90 degrees on their side.

Even if that wasn't the Dreadnought that the VS was talking about, that still means there was a Dreadnought in atmosphere somewhere unless the Normandy took a quick detour to space before picking up Shepard.

And the ship we DID see was at least a Cruiser...which still is supposed to be risky to take into atmosphere.

To those saying "well Sovereign and the rest of the Reapers can land", the fact is, they're more advanced. That's the whole reason they're such a threat, they can do what the galactic races can't even fathom. A perfect example is just after your talk with Sovereign on Virmire. Joker radios in and said "That ship Sovereign just made a turn that would have sheered any of our ships in half and its coming your way". Sovereign pulled a high-G turn that would have demolished any Alliance ship. Of course he can land and Alliance ships can't.

The fact is, I'm not going to let stuff like this ruin the game for me, but don't try to defend it as a reasonable thing to see.

[didymos1120]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

There still has to be some event horizon where a dreadnaught can't escape the planet's gravity.

I think that event horizon would be "at a dead stop, on the ground".

[CROAT_56]

yea Im starting to come to the conclusion that it was all just a coincidence that s/he said that right as the ship in front of us explodes.

[Chala]

For me, they messed up with the dialogue...
I'm pretty sure that they confused cruiser with dreadnought or something like that.

[Xerxes52]

Was that the Dreadnought? I thought it was just a random cruiser, since it looks just like the cruisers at the Citadel battle in ME1.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Did you see all the debris and busted ships falling into the atmosphere at the end of that mission (which I assumed was Earths defense fleet)? Getting sucked into Earths gravity well might have been safer than sitting out in the open in the upper atmosphere.

Just a thought.

[Omega-202]

CROAT_56 wrote...

yea Im starting to come to the conclusion that it was all just a coincidence that s/he said that right as the ship in front of us explodes.

But then where was the dreadnought that he/she was talking about?  We know that they saw one get blown up.  Even if it wasn't the one we were looking at, it had to be somewhere between Shepard and the Normandy.  Unless Joker flew up to space and then back down, that ship got destroyed in the atmosphere.  

[Rabbi Satan]

Dreadnaughts? In MY Atmosphere?

More likely than you think.

Modifié par Rabbi Satan, 13 février 2012 - 05:54 .

[incinerator950]

Butcher_of_Torfan wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I would think in times of a massive alien invasion (both a massive attack and massive aliens) you are willing to risk the damage to the planet to try to repell the attackers.

This is the one point in history if there ever was one where the captain would say "damn the gravity well, get us down there!"   They knew full well they couldnt get back in orbit, and didnt care

Minus the ship profile being mostly akin to the Alliance Cruiser like Hunter said, this is most likely the case.  Add to the usual Bioware Plot thought process and the likely affect on people when they hear Dreadnaught coming down!, it just adds to the effect of Earth being lost.

[clopin]

"They're taking down the cruiser"
or...
"They're taking down the dreadnought!"

Second sounds way more awesome, it's like saying you climbed a big hill instead of climbing a small mountain; mountains are way more epic. Also it's a video game.

Modifié par clopin, 13 février 2012 - 06:03 .

[didymos1120]

Omega-202 wrote...

But then where was the dreadnought that he/she was talking about?  .  

Wherever the Normandy was.  Notice how long it took them to get there for the pick-up?  It was a fair amount of time.

[CROAT_56]

I think the Normandy wasn't in atmosphere and that they took a shuttle up to her and then came down to pick up shep.

[MadLaughter]

They probably didn't think about it.

[Third ShadowOps]

CROAT_56 wrote...

I thaught that frigates are the largest ships that could be planet side due to there weight and gravity, even the Normandy can't land on some planets due to her size? But in the demo there is a dreadnaught getting blown up in atmosphere.  Did bioware just mess up the diolague or am I missing something in the Codex?

I think it's a Cruiser...

[Omega-202]

didymos1120 wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

But then where was the dreadnought that he/she was talking about?  .  

Wherever the Normandy was.  Notice how long it took them to get there for the pick-up?  It was a fair amount of time.

Yes, but they're not just hopping in the ship and flying over to Shepard.  I doubt that the grounded experimental ship was sitting on the tarmac ready to take off with its pilot and crew already on-board.  I mean, it had to take a while for  Kaidan/Ash and Vega to run from the building just moments before to the port where the SR-2 was docked.  

And even if it took them a long time to fly the combined distance that VS+Vega ran in one direction plus the distance that Shepard and Anderson ran in the exact opposite direction, do you expect me to believe that Joker took the Normandy into SPACE during that trip?  

At most, the Normandy couldn't have been more than a mile from the place where the trial was being held in order for James and VS to get there for take-off.  Add a mile in the opposite direction for how far Shep and Anderson ran and you've got the Normandy making a 2 mile flight.  

So where the hell could that second Dreadnought have been IF NOT IN THE ATMOSPHERE ALSO?!?!?

[HiroVoid]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I would think in times of a massive alien invasion (both a massive attack and massive aliens) you are willing to risk the damage to the planet to try to repell the attackers.

So they're renegades now?  Willing to sacrifice for the greater good?

[Homey C-Dawg]

Didn't they break this lore already when the collector ship landed on Horizon? I don't remember any mention of "must have enormous mass effect core" regarding the collector ship, unlike in ME1 where it's stated about Sovereign.

I suppose the collector ship could just be a matter of "didn't mention it", but I suspect that BIoware just bends the rule to accomodate the scenes.

Modifié par Homey C-Dawg, 13 février 2012 - 06:32 .

[Chala]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Didn't they break this lore already when the collector ship landed on Horizon? I don't remember any mention of "must have enormous mass effect core" regarding the collector ship, unlike in ME1 where it's stated about Sovereign.

I suppose the collector ship could just be a matter of "didn't mention it", but I suspect that BIoware just bends the rule to accomodate the scenes.

Collectors are from the Reapers, so probably they also have the tech to land the ship on a planet.

[Xarathox]

CROAT_56 wrote...

I thaught that frigates are the largest ships that could be planet side due to there weight and gravity, even the Normandy can't land on some planets due to her size? But in the demo there is a dreadnaught getting blown up in atmosphere.  Did bioware just mess up the diolague or am I missing something in the Codex?

You're forgetting something. Soverign was a Dreadnaught. Soverign landed on Eden Prime in ME1. Why? Because Reapers far more advanced than anything in the galaxy.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Didn't they break this lore already when the collector ship landed on Horizon? I don't remember any mention of "must have enormous mass effect core" regarding the collector ship, unlike in ME1 where it's stated about Sovereign.

I suppose the collector ship could just be a matter of "didn't mention it", but I suspect that BIoware just bends the rule to accomodate the scenes.

Well, the codex applies mostly to Council races and other members of the main galactic community.

The Collectors sort of fall outside of the galactic community, and their tech isn't well-documented.

[Omega-202]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Didn't they break this lore already when the collector ship landed on Horizon? I don't remember any mention of "must have enormous mass effect core" regarding the collector ship, unlike in ME1 where it's stated about Sovereign.

I suppose the collector ship could just be a matter of "didn't mention it", but I suspect that BIoware just bends the rule to accomodate the scenes.

They totally bend the rules.  

In defense of the Collector Ship:

A) Its Reaper based tech.  It's more advanced than an Alliance Cruiser.

It at least landed and took off perpendicular to the ground.  Getting the thrust needed to get back into space by aiming the engines straight down makes more sense than hovering parallel to the ground.  

[Dead Shizno]

Omega-202 wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Didn't they break this lore already when the collector ship landed on Horizon? I don't remember any mention of "must have enormous mass effect core" regarding the collector ship, unlike in ME1 where it's stated about Sovereign.

I suppose the collector ship could just be a matter of "didn't mention it", but I suspect that BIoware just bends the rule to accomodate the scenes.

They totally bend the rules.  

In defense of the Collector Ship:

A) Its Reaper based tech.  It's more advanced than an Alliance Cruiser.

It at least landed and took off perpendicular to the ground.  Getting the thrust needed to get back into space by aiming the engines straight down makes more sense than hovering parallel to the ground.  

how about this answer...a wizard did it...? but anycase who cares i dont ;D still looked cool and made an awesome sound when it blew up,want that as my ring tone now

[Homey C-Dawg]

Perhaps the collector ship was a bad example, but I still think that the dreadnought scene is simply taking the "rule of cool" approach over the lore approach.