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[SNascimento]

1136342t54 wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

As far as I remember, Cruisers could land on low gravity planets, and some alliance's dreadnoughts were the same size of cruisers... therefore, it's not impossible for a dreadnought to fly in Earth's atmosphere.
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That said, it doesn't make sense in any possible way for a dreadnought being where that ship was. It just doesn't. Its main strength comes from it's main cannon which it couldn't use in that situation cos it not only would blow it up, but would also blow part of the city.
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I wonder, Bioware probably thought about this. But decided to keep the VS saying dreadnough to shock players with how effortless a reaper can take out the most powerful alliance vessel. The problem is, those who would be shocked by this are more concerned with the lore, and those who are not concerned with the lore, won't be more shocked than if it was any other vessel.

We don't see it use its main guns at all for some reason. It uses secondary cannons just like how the Reaper's uses its secondary weapon to take it out. Remember Sovereign used its tentacles to one shot ships. That Reaper used something more akin to point defense or a secondary weapon system. Weaker but strong enough to take out a capital ship.

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And by doind that it's neglecting all its strength... it's like an aircraft carrier going to war without any planes. 

[SykoWolf]

The alliance will probably risk there entire fleet to protect Earth, just as the Turians would risk there entire fleet to protect Palaven and the hierarchy. A dreadnought in orbit wouldn't be out of the question, however it would be a calculated risk, which failed as most of us know. However, Bioware probably put it in to show us the kind of risks the Alliance will have to make.

[xIxDarkWolfxIx]

Well you say we would risk anything to protect Earth. That didn't stop the Fifth Fleet under the command of Admiral Hackett from performing a tactical retreat after it was known that the Reapers had complete dominance. The Alliance are going to risk a lot, but they won't risk the entire fleet when all odds are stacked up against them.

[Lotion Soronarr]

TexasToast712 wrote...

There is a big difference between hovering in a planet's atmosphere and actually landing. Not even the Normandy was technically landed when it picked up Shepard. It was hovering.

No there isn't. Both require you to generate enough lift to counter gravity.

[Osena109]

Am sure it was a refited Dreadnaught fresh out of its berth on earth that got blown up

[xIxDarkWolfxIx]

They wouldn't build a Dreadnought on Earth though, it would be built around a Space Station. A lot easier to build something that size when you have near unlimited space.

[Osena109]

xIxDarkWolfxIx wrote...

They wouldn't build a Dreadnought on Earth though, it would be built around a Space Station. A lot easier to build something that size when you have near unlimited space.

your assuming we have no Idea the might build them on Earth they might build them in space

Modifié par Osena109, 13 février 2012 - 02:39 .

[xIxDarkWolfxIx]

Osena109 wrote...

xIxDarkWolfxIx wrote...

They wouldn't build a Dreadnought on Earth though, it would be built around a Space Station. A lot easier to build something that size when you have near unlimited space.

your assuming we have no Idea the might build them on Earth they might build them on Earth

True, however logically it would be more suitable to build them in space. Less pollution worries, near infinate space, less fuel use from take-off, immediate use availablity etc

[Osena109]

xIxDarkWolfxIx wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

xIxDarkWolfxIx wrote...

They wouldn't build a Dreadnought on Earth though, it would be built around a Space Station. A lot easier to build something that size when you have near unlimited space.

your assuming we have no Idea the might build them on Earth they might build them on Earth

True, however logically it would be more suitable to build them in space. Less pollution worries, near infinate space, less fuel use from take-off, immediate use availablity etc

you have a fair point  and i do belive alot of Sifi shows like star trek they built there dreadnoughts in space  but I think as a whole the Alliance would want there pride  to be built on earth what if that said dreadnought was Earth's flagship

[SykoWolf]

I think it says that they are all built in space due to size issue. As we know Earth is....full in the future, they have to construct them either on Mars or on a space station near Earth, either way, the loss of any Dreadnought is a massive loss. The only way for a dreadnought to successfully work in atmosphere is with a huge mass effect core, or by using tech from Sovereign,although the main cannon would probably destroy half the city, along with the explosion of said dreadnought when destroyed as we see in Demo.

[CROAT_56]

Robhuzz wrote...

CROAT_56 wrote...

I thaught that frigates are the largest ships that could be planet side due to there weight and gravity, even the Normandy can't land on some planets due to her size? But in the demo there is a dreadnaught getting blown up in atmosphere.  Did bioware just mess up the diolague or am I missing something in the Codex?

So what's your point? You're saying not even the normandy can land on some planets. I haven't seen a dreadnaught that landed on a planet, have you?

Any ship can enter the atmosphere, even carriers and dreadnaughts, only they cannot land on planets because they do not have enough power to take off again if they do land.

I think we have all come to the conclusion that the ship that blew up was in fact NOT a Dreadnought. Ashley/Kaiden was probably referring to another vessel. Well that is what I am going to believe anyway. 

BioWare did confirm that it was, in fact, a dreadnaught. I'm too stubborn to accept that explanation though so I consider it a cruiser.<_<

False sir,  atmosphere at 1 foot and 100 feet is negligable preasure wise there is no way anything above cruiser weight can even fly in atmo.  We don't have the Tech (lore wise) the Reapers do.  Secondly Bioware confirmed nothing other than we make extreme decisions during extreme situations they didnt say that the ship we saw is a dreadnaught.

[William Shakespeare]

HIDE YOUR KIDS, HIDE YOUR WIVES, HIDE YOUR HUSBANDS. THERE BE DREADNAUGHTS IN THE ATMOSPHERE!!!!

[samurai crusade]

I'm a bit late to the party but heres my two sense.
Reapers attacking Earth... I'll drop a dreadnaught into the atmosphere to fight. As long as its moving it's fine.
Also we've seen the Normandy SR2 land on planets with more atmospheric pressure than Earth. See Illium at 1.15 and Illiums gravity at 1.2.
I think ya'll just have too much time to complain. Enjoy the cinematics, enjoy the story, it's going to be EPIC. Thank you Bioware... and thank you for my early demo access via facebook! Hooah!

[Nexis7]

William Shakespeare wrote...

HIDE YOUR KIDS, HIDE YOUR WIVES, HIDE YOUR HUSBANDS. THERE BE DREADNAUGHTS IN THE ATMOSPHERE!!!!

YOU CAN GO LAND THAT, YOU CAN LAND THAT, YOU CAN LAND THAT, HOMESHIP, HOME HOME HOMESHIP.

[Cushers Baby x]

Okay just replayed the demo for what must be the eighth time today, the actual conversation goes like this!
"We made it to the Normandy.... They're gonna take down that Dreadnought..."
So where/when the **** does anybody ever mention a human Dreadnought being in orbit?
Am I missing something here?
For the books the Human Vessel engaging the Reaper Dreadnought is a cruiser!
Check the wiki on starships if you don't believe me http://masseffect.wi.../wiki/Starships

+ if they're attempting to engage a dreadnought then yes the Normandy is either in orbit as other people have suggested, or doing fly-by's to assist other ships...
Oh and whilst I'm here, y'know those missiles the Normandy uses to save your hide, are they javelin missiles or something smaller?

Modifié par Cushers Baby x, 13 février 2012 - 04:57 .

[Vicex]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

CommanderNuetral wrote...

Sovereign dispproves the "Dreadnaughts can't land or fly in atmosphere" lore in the first game. Take codex entries with a grain of salt. Go with the canon evidence you observe.

Reapers are highly advanced warships with the enormous eezo core that it needed to reduce their mass to make them light enough to escape the a planet's gravity. The dreadnaughts built by the other races don't have large enough eezo cores to do that, so they will always be too heavy for their engines to lift off of the ground.

Maybe they knew that the dreadnaught would be able to make atmosphere, but it would be stuck there.... more of a calculated risk, thinking it may do more good in atmo than in orbit?

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Cushers Baby x wrote...
We're gonna take down that Dreadnought..."

Still haven't played (PC) the demo, but you sure it's not "they're gonna take down the dreadnought"?
It sounds like that to me, then again... Youtube.

And no subtitles on any video, there is no option for them...?

[FGRaptor]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Cushers Baby x wrote...
We're gonna take down that Dreadnought..."

Still haven't played (PC) the demo, but you sure it's not "they're gonna take down the dreadnought"?
It sounds like that to me, then again... Youtube.

And no subtitles on any video, there is no option for them...?

It's "they're" as far as I can tell. Listened to it a dozen times while playing.

[Wulfram]

Cushers Baby x wrote...

Okay just replayed the demo for what must be the eighth time today, the actual conversation goes like this!
"We made it to the Normandy.... We're gonna take down that Dreadnought..."

It's

"they're gonna take down that dreadnought"

And is preceded by a dismayed sounding "Oh god"

[GnusmasTHX]

Wulfram wrote...

Cushers Baby x wrote...

Okay just replayed the demo for what must be the eighth time today, the actual conversation goes like this!
"We made it to the Normandy.... We're gonna take down that Dreadnought..."

It's

"they're gonna take down that dreadnought"

And is preceded by a dismayed sounding "Oh god"

Well now you know it was a a Reaper being taken down. It doesn't take more than one Reaper to take down an Alliance ship. And Reaper's don't kill-steal.

[Wulfram]

I could actually see the Dreadnoughts treating it all as a computer game, complaining about people kill-stealing and everything

[FGRaptor]

From how the conversation is going and from the fact that the Normandy is seemingly coming out of space, I would say they are not talking about the ship you see on Earth. This conversation also triggers before you see said ship. When the Reaper lands in front of you, the entire conversation plays and you can just stand there. I would say Anderson and Shep are trying to go to the Spaceport to take a shuttle up to space to get to the Normandy, which Kaidan/Ashley have already done.

[Abirn]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I would think in times of a massive alien invasion (both a massive attack and massive aliens) you are willing to risk the damage to the planet to try to repell the attackers.

The ship model used in-game is far too small to be a dreadnaught.

To be fair, the model used in ME3 for the reapers are way to small to be reapers as they are described in the first game.

[Praetor Knight]

I'm not sure if we can post it yet, but here is the ship that blows up in that sequence: social.bioware.com/uploads_user/1158000/1157264/184052.jpg


Here is a video of the Battle of the Citadel: www.youtube.com/watch

The human fleet can be seen after 4:09 and many of those ships should be frigates and cruisers.


So the Dreadnaught has to be another Alliance Ship outside of Earth's atmosphere that's not seen, IMHO.

[OmegaBlue0231]

ediskrad327 wrote...

mass effect fields

That's what allows Reapers to land...so yes you're completely correct in this case.