35 réponses à ce sujet

[JaguarXJR6]

After progressing two thirds through game and being at +100/Adore with Leliana, kissed, and basically doing things as perfectly as I can I discover I can't trigger the Marjolaine personal quest.  Very frustrating.  I'm on PC btw like it says in the title.

Putting in 30+ hours and creeping closer to the end of the game doesn't feel rewarding as it should be with this apparant/discussed/unconfirmed romance bug. 

Is there ANY fix forthcoming?  Days?  Weeks?  Some kind of announcement would be, I don't know, helpful maybe? 

[TheGreenLion]

you could always do the whole altering the approval ratings via console and Leliana is pretty much the only one who is truly tough to romance...there's a crapload of threads in here about her, so I won't elaborate as much on this one.

[Taleroth]

Did you roam around with her in your group? Throughout the game?



Or did you just hope you could accomplish it right out of Lothering?

[JaguarXJR6]

Leliana was in my party 100% of the time (I'm a Mage). I progressed through Nature --> Broken Circle --> Redcliffe and never got the assassin's encounter after 30+ hours of game play.



I went through the bards/spies dialogue very early on after Loathering but didn't get mention of Marjolaine. That's where the bug is -- you can start her romance (twice) through convesations and despite talking about her minstrel days in future dialogue, the encounter doesn't trigger if you don't talk to her AGAIN about it before starting the romance. I went through BOTH convesation triggers to start Romance, btw and we've shared a kiss, she did the song, and wasn't involved with anyone else.

[Kolaris8472]

Sorry for your...loss?



A shame that I basically had to tell her to get lost after "I...love you" on my no-nonsense, solitary Dwarf character. You go to all the effort to please her and nothing comes of it but some flirting.



I wonder if there's something to that.

[JaguarXJR6]

I did search on Google for over an hour and read dozens of threads about this. Without an old save file (sigh), starting over is the only option unless there's an official statement this will be fixed soon (issues with search are already beaten to death too). This really kills the desire to replay everything over to get back this far into the story. As a manager at a software development company, I understand percisely what the devs are going through, but it doesn't erase the bitter taste in the mouth of this end user. I was really looking forward to the Leliana romance.

[Taleroth]

Ahh, I see. I wish we could look through the dialogue files and scripts, I could go hunting for it.



That was my second most favorite thing of NWN2. Encountering a bug, browsing through the files, finding it and finding a fix or workaround. Can't do that here. :'(

[tranj84cl]

I did the same, and found that if you break up with Leliana, it drops your approval sufficiently to get the line " I lied to you..." when you exit and re-enter camp. That starts the Marjolaine quest.

[aerowars617]

I've managed to get the Marjolaine quest conversation and completed it both ways (killed her and let her live) but still none of the dialogue options involve "love", all are "friends" and its kinda annoying that after all that, she's at 100% and Adore and all I can get out of her is 1 kiss!

[Midnight Reyn]

Does it say 'Adore' on her influence meter? If so that is weird - because Adore should mean that the romance is active. What does she say to you when you initiate dialogue in camp? Is it 'My, aren't you sweet and attentive' or something else?

[Al Camino]

Hi Jaguar, I just want to reassure that we're working on this issue. I can't give you any official information other than this presently unfortunately. To quote Morrigan: 'True love requires patience...'.
Or maybe Zevran said it...  

[aerowars617]

Yep, 100% Adore on her influence meter, and when I try to talk to her she says "I'm there fore your", then you get the option to "talk about us", but there are only two dialogue choices, either break up, or say she's the best thing to happen to the PC, to which she responds with a thanks and no bedding!



I'm gonna try some stuff with previous saves quickly, but I don't want to repeat half the game just for a bed scene!

[Draco_13]

aerowars617 wrote...

I've managed to get the Marjolaine quest conversation and completed it both ways (killed her and let her live) but still none of the dialogue options involve "love", all are "friends" and its kinda annoying that after all that, she's at 100% and Adore and all I can get out of her is 1 kiss!

From the strategy guide ...

If you finish the Marjolaine personal quest, talk to Leliana. She’ll say something like, “I know that look—you have something on your mind don’t you?” Respond with the following dialogue choices:“We need to talk.”
“Are you feeling better?”
“Er, I think I see what you mean.”
“She was special to you wasn’t she?”
“I’m sorry it ended so badly.”
“Everyone changes unfortunately.”
“I can only hope to one day be as special as she was to you.”
Romance will be started.

[Midnight Reyn]

I had issues with the Leliana romance scene because of particular dialogue options I chose during the "I know that look" initiation cutscene, but if that cutscene doesn't even show up for you, something must have gone wrong.



As others have mentioned in this thread, it seems there are 3 options if you want the Leliana romance (without waiting for the bug fix).



1. Tinker with the console and try to change Leliana's approval rating.

2. Go back to a previous save and see if you can get back on track.

3. Break up with Leliana and hopefully restart the romance again.



Or a fourth option - do you have Morrigan at good approval and in an active romance? I know that someone mentioned you can lower Leliana's approval if you bring her and morrigan in your party together, zone to a map location and just kiss Morrigan over and over until Leliana's influence drops. (I think it drops by 3-5 per kiss).

[aerowars617]

Thanks for the tip Draco, but the problem I have is that after the Marjolaine quest (regardless of outcome), the conversation starts out different to what you mentioned, it goes like:

Leliana: "oh hello, is there something you wanted to talk about"
PC: "no, I thought you looked like you wanted to talk though"
L: It's... nothing. I'm fine. I'm just thinking.
and from there you talk about Marjolaine, though ultimately none of the conversations are "loving", they basically lead to "You're a good person" or slagging her off!

FYI I get that above dialogue convo whether I'm on 63 Care or 81 Adore...

I've also gone back to her interest at 26 and conversation about orlais and shoes, the interest levels I get from her progress from "Interested" to "Warm", to "Care", then finally "Adore", and despite choosing all the complimentary dialogue options and hinting that I like her, my PC just can't be successful in luring her to the tent!

Its just a shame that I can't even identify the part that I messed up because my play through (first) isn't working out as I intended as I didn't want Morrigan, but I suppose she'll have to do! I haven't finished the game but I've done Circle Magi & Redcliffe and don't wanted to start over... I wish BioWare made it clear which dialogue options close off love options...

EDIT: So when does that cutscene happen, after you finish the quest immediately or back at camp? I'll try lowering the influence level by kissing Morrigan in public, as I'm at the point with Morrigan where if I talk to her at camp she want to bed the PC!

Modifié par aerowars617, 24 novembre 2009 - 08:41 .

[Lominia]

you have to split up with her, which will get her to warm, then you can trigger the quest

To embark on Leliana’s main personal quest, you must do the
following, in order:
Talk to her in camp and eventually ask her, “What would someone
like you be doing in Lothering’s Chantry?” She will bring up being a minstrel.
Get Leliana’s approval rating to warm (approval 25+).
Talk to Leliana in camp about how minstrels are sometimes spies.
Leave the camp and come back to the camp. Talk to Leliana again
(must still be warm approval). She’ll talk about how she lied about Orlais.
The next random encounter should be Leliana’s assassin’s encounter.
The last human male surrenders when you beat him, and he’ll talk about who sent
him. You can decide to kill him or not, then leave the encounter and Leliana
will talk. She will tell you all about a former love interest, Marjolaine.
you'll get some plus points for that.
go back & forth to camp a few times, talk to her a bit. i then gave her gifts that i wasn't intending to use on other group members, hell, i even gave her a dog bone. i then managed to get the option of renewing the romance.
humpage assured. this isn't the best write up for it, i'll try to possibly duplicate it as i did it last night after rolling in from the pub. i did unlock it though.

[mmaranda]

If you are on PC and willing to edit a save game you can modify her approval to something low liek 25. Ask her about being a spy. Then raise it back to where it was. And then you can do the quest.

[mmaranda]

Midnight Reyn wrote...


3. Break up with Leliana and hopefully restart the romance again.

I don't think this works fully once you've called it quits with her she is done with you. She will stay in the party but she won't take you back into her good graces.

[Lominia]

mmaranda wrote...

Midnight Reyn wrote...


3. Break up with Leliana and hopefully restart the romance again.

I don't think this works fully once you've called it quits with her she is done with you. She will stay in the party but she won't take you back into her good graces.

no, it's do-able. i managed it last night. trying to go through the key bits to post

[Draco_13]

aerowars617 wrote...

Thanks for the tip Draco, but the problem I have is that after the Marjolaine quest (regardless of outcome), the conversation starts out different to what you mentioned, it goes like:

Leliana: "oh hello, is there something you wanted to talk about"
PC: "no, I thought you looked like you wanted to talk though"
L: It's... nothing. I'm fine. I'm just thinking.
and from there you talk about Marjolaine, though ultimately none of the conversations are "loving", they basically lead to "You're a good person" or slagging her off!

FYI I get that above dialogue convo whether I'm on 63 Care or 81 Adore...

I've also gone back to her interest at 26 and conversation about orlais and shoes, the interest levels I get from her progress from "Interested" to "Warm", to "Care", then finally "Adore", and despite choosing all the complimentary dialogue options and hinting that I like her, my PC just can't be successful in luring her to the tent!

Its just a shame that I can't even identify the part that I messed up because my play through (first) isn't working out as I intended as I didn't want Morrigan, but I suppose she'll have to do! I haven't finished the game but I've done Circle Magi & Redcliffe and don't wanted to start over... I wish BioWare made it clear which dialogue options close off love options...

EDIT: So when does that cutscene happen, after you finish the quest immediately or back at camp? I'll try lowering the influence level by kissing Morrigan in public, as I'm at the point with Morrigan where if I talk to her at camp she want to bed the PC!

I have just tried with an old save game from Denerim somewhen after Leliana's personal quest. I talked to her in the camp an got the same dialog as you described ... we talked about Marjolaine I supported her and Leliana wanted to be alone to think about it. Started the dialog with 78 and got +6. I left the camp and immediately returnd. Leliana said that after all she came to the conclusion that beeing a bard wasn't so bad ... got +4. I gave her some present (+6) getting 94 and status "Love". Talked to her again ... 

[aerowars617]

You've solved the problem Draco, thank you very much for looking into it!

The trick was as you said, to just keep leaving camp and going back to get those extra dialogue options... and I gave her gifts to bring her to 93% Love, then it gets <3. I wonder if this would work if she's already over 90%...

I suppose I was just a bit impatient and thought it was a dead end when I talked to her without leaving and re-entering the camp many times, like 3 times!

Any advice or known bugs on romancing Leliana if this still works after bedding Morrigan?

Modifié par aerowars617, 24 novembre 2009 - 10:50 .

[W1slicer_carolina]

It's been said else where, but you usually have to try and trigger these quests when you are in the "warm" range, if your companions like you too much the events won't trigger. Theoretically I think it's apart of the design that you should be interacting with your companions as you go along and not just shoot through the approval ratings as quickly as possible. That might be your problem or might not be, but it has been for many others.

[Draco_13]

aerowars617 wrote...

Any advice or known bugs on romancing Leliana if this still works after bedding Morrigan?

Sorry, but I haven't been there with my male human warrior so far so I don't know for sure (tested it with female mage and she can't romance Morrigan).

AFAIK Leliana's personal quest is the last chance to activate her romance option. An active romance and status "Love" (approval 90+) is required to be invited into her tent (she will give you the respective line only once).  You can romance both, Morrigan and Leliana at the same time, but eventually they will urge you to make a decision. The one you dump will fall back even below "Friendly" and the romance option is supposed to be deactivated forever.

It might be possible to bring up som of the earlier dialog options again and thereby restarting a romance by intentionally lowering the girls approval but then I would consider that to be a bug.

PS: If you can't get the approval status above "Friedly" (even with approval ... let's say 80+) romance is not active.

[Draco_13]

W1slicer_carolina wrote...

It's been said else where, but you usually have to try and trigger these quests when you are in the "warm" range, if your companions like you too much the events won't trigger. Theoretically I think it's apart of the design that you should be interacting with your companions as you go along and not just shoot through the approval ratings as quickly as possible. That might be your problem or might not be, but it has been for many others.

Yep. In fact, I like the idea that if you become close friends with your companions they won't give you the dialog option to start a romance. Sounds plausible to me.

[Midnight Reyn]

Draco_13 wrote...

You can romance both, Morrigan and Leliana at the same time, but eventually they will urge you to make a decision. The one you dump will fall back even below "Friendly" and the romance option is supposed to be deactivated forever.

This is what I had heard as well - however in my current playthrough I have both Morrigan and Leliana at the 100 (Love) approval and neither seems to care. I broke up with Leliana, went back to 'friendly' status, then restarted the romance and now I can speak to both Leliana and Morrigan at camp and neither gets upset about me fooling around with the other.

Originally, I was intending to romance Morrigan, so when the 'the stars are out' conversation with Leliana happened, I chose the 'I just want to be friends' line, but somehow I gained influence with Leliana and her approval stayed at 'Adore'.

It's weird, because I'll have party conversations between Morrigan and Leliana where Leliana will comment on our relationship, but back at camp I still have the 'lets go to bed' option with her.

I know the steps I took to have this happen, so I'm going to try it on a different character and see if I have the same results.

Modifié par Midnight Reyn, 25 novembre 2009 - 08:13 .