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[catharsisboo]

Calla S wrote...

Jilinna wrote...
I don't get it either. It would leave a straight Femshep with no one if they don't have Kaidan alive..??
I cannot process that.

Exactly that! If a single straight FemShep left Kaidan on Virmire and didn't romance anyone in ME2, she... doesn't have anyone to romance if James isn't an option, lmao. What even?

Maybe not. Now the guy over on Something Awful is saying that Garrus might be a new romance for fem Shep in ME3.

I don't even know what's going on anymore.

ToP James (and Sheploo):

Modifié par catharsisboo, 26 février 2012 - 06:06 .

[jellobell]

catharsisboo wrote...
Maybe not. Now the guy over on Something Awful is saying that Garrus might be a new romance for fem Shep in ME3.

What? But didn't the Devs themselves confirm that the ME2 romances couldn't be started in ME3? Sounds like bull**** to me.

[HK-90210]

@Collider

1. Definately our most solid source, but he has also not talked real thoroughly about the romances, Not a peep about Thane or Jacob. Hasn't mentioned Jack or Miranda either. So it's not like he's walked every path, explored every option. And he shouldn't be expected to. Not with how much he talked about multiplayer. There's only so much we can expect from someone who is violationg his NDA.
2. Klace has been debunked completely as a source by Priestly. Nothing he said, about anything, can be taken as valid. Speculation about which stuff was bull is foolish because ALL of it was bull.
3. If you're talking about the TrueLove flag, yes. But then again, Miranda, Jack, Thane, Jacob and Samantha don't have the flags either. So it's not definative proof of LI status. A certain type of LI, probably, but this flag doesn't cover all of them.
4. This person has had his/her copy for a day or two at most. And what they said could be true about most of the LIs in ME2 until you chose certain dialogue options. They haven't had enough time to explore all the options, so also not definitive.
5. I'm not aware of an older script vs a newer script, so no idea what the difference is. Last I checked, these two conversations were from the same leak.

Overall, I agree with your general assesment on the Vega's LI status. He does seem to be the type to put off romance for the sake of the mission. Now what that means when it comes to how far we'll see the relationship progress, well, I agree with you as well. There might be hugs and kissses, or there might be nothing more than a little dialogue admittng some measure of feelings. No way to know until the game is out.

The only problem i have with my own opinion is that I just don't get why Bioware would provide us a character with this amount of romantic potential, deliberately building him up to appeal to a certain target audiance, and then not providing him as a LI. That doesn't make good business sense to me, and I can't find a reason good enough to justify that kind of move. Maybe there is, and I just can't see it. Lord knows that's happened before.

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 26 février 2012 - 06:21 .

[Calla S]

I don't even care anymore. I have warm fuzzies over that dialogue because it's actually flawless for my serious business Spacer!Shepard and James. I was worried the romance would be too hot and heavy for them anyway. Arrgghhh sohappy.

[Jilinna]

Collider I just have a few questions.

#4. That space guy said he didn't seem like he was, though he will act really nice to femshep and they seemed to be close friends. But he has not completed the entire game yet so I wouldn't take it as 100%  until someone actually goes through all the motions.

#5. How do you know they took Kelly's lines out?

Those lines you posted are from the old script since I read them myself. Is that where you are taking the lines from or did you find them in the demo?

Those questions aside I have said it before I believe in some thread, but I am perfectly okay with not having a full out romance with him. I don't need a sex scene I have my imagination and it works great!  

As long as there is hope for the romance to continue after the war that is all I need. Since like you said they flirt a lot in the game. I also can't stress enough how much I adore his friendship and his dialogues from what I have seen. I understand that he wants to wait till the end of the game to admit his feelings. It makes the tweet I got from Mac Walters when I asked if Vega will be a LI clearer:

@macwalterslives So If I baked you a cake would you give us a hint if James Vega is a LI or not in ME3? #IKnowFatChance

@JessieG27 I know it's hard! But relationships & romances truly are more organic in #ME3 & we want you to experience em that way. #AuNaturel

https://twitter.com/...144702086127618


With that tweet in mind, it sounds like the only way to know for sure is to go through all the motions, I think that is why he said they are more organic this time around, a press of a button isn't going to determine the status of the relationship this time around, it will be au naturel like he said. 

Vega also has his own reasons to wait. Based on whatever happened on Fehl and him being a strict military man he wouldn't want to risk his feelings get in the way of the mission at hand. But when it comes to the final moments if you don't know if you are going to make it out alive or not it makes sense for him to open up. It gives you something to live for, that is one hell of a motivation.

It would also make the relationships feel more real, relationships don't normally take so fast to grow in RL, maybe they are trying something new. Seeing if gradual progression is better than the fast and furious of ME2 where the talks were very much "when are we going to have sex?" oriented.

I guess will see what happens. I will be content if it ends up like this though.

Modifié par Jilinna, 26 février 2012 - 06:30 .

[catharsisboo]

CastonFolarus wrote...

2. Klace has been debunked completely as a source by Priestly. Nothing he said, about anything, can be taken as valid. Speculation about which stuff was bull is foolish because ALL of it was bull.

No. Chris said that Klace was either lying or "making accurate guesses" and that only "some" of his info was false. Most of what Klace said had to have been true, otherwise Chris wouldn't have used words/phrases like that.

Modifié par catharsisboo, 26 février 2012 - 06:25 .

[HK-90210]

catharsisboo wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

2. Klace has been debunked completely as a source by Priestly. Nothing he said, about anything, can be taken as valid. Speculation about which stuff was bull is foolish because ALL of it was bull.

No. Chris said that Klace was either lying or "making accurate guesses" and that only "some" of his info was false. Most of what Klace said had to have been true, otherwise Chris wouldn't have used words/phrases like that.

When I read some of the stuff Klace posted, it was very reminiscent of what the SA guy said. Certainly seemed like Klace was just copying off of a legitimate source. Just my opinion.

But what I got from what Priestly posted was that Klace was bull****ting. He might have gotten some stuff right, but if you make guesses based off the leak, it's not too difficult to hit close enough to the truth that a dev can't accuse you of being compeltely wrong. So Preistly couldn't say eveything was wrong, because some of it was close. But that doesn't mean it wasn't just a bull**** guess in the first place. That was my take, anyway.

[rapscallioness]

Idk if this has been posted, or not. So, if it has..excuse me. But a couple of Kaidanites were playing sum MP last night w/ one of the devs. They peppered this dev w/ questions, of course, but couldn't get any real answers. Of course. lol However the dev (idk who) did say this:

"yoshibb wrote...

As we said, no real spoilers. The only thing he said about Kaidan was that they really worked hard on developing his character as well as the character of James Vega for their female audience. "

also:

From Patrick Weekes tweet:

"I'm a bit worried for my single Femshep, will there be any new guys for her to romance in #ME3? Or will she be forever alone?

@JessieG27 if you romanced nobody in ME1/2, you will still have options. "

so...sighs...whatever those might mean.

[rapscallioness]

Saberchic wrote...

Calla S wrote...

Stroking James' thick torso.

I have no idea what to do with my feelings. I was just accepting the fact that James isn't going to be an LI, and now suddenly it's a possibility? WHAT IS GOING ON?

You're on this ride with the rest of us! :happy:

This rollercoaster o' Vega LI goodness gets all crazy! We go up up up up up up up and then plummet waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy down.

omg. that's the funniest thing i've seen.  and that's exactly what all of this feels like.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Concerning the Space Edition...the first copies that actually made it into the hands of fans were handed out last night. I'd know. I was there. The copies from the previous launches are both still stuck out in the California wilderness. There's no way anyone with one of those copies is all the way through any of the romance subplots yet, so I wouldn't take anything they say on faith right now.

[rapscallioness]

well, I asked Patrick this abt. the options part --you know, the "if you didn't romance anyone in ME1/2, then you will have options" (abt. any new guys for a single FemShep to romance?)

of course my mind starts wondering..but, wat if did romance ppl in those games and simply want to change my mind?

"ok, if no romance in ME1/2 =FShep has options. but wat if? can a girl still change her mind?"

patrick wrote:
"you will have chances to change romance options, yes. Hopefully it'll be clear when you're committing to someone. "

I'm thinking Vega must be an option...cuz there ain't a whole lot of options for a straight FemShep. That happens to like Human males. I mean, I love Garrus, but I'm not in love w/him. lol.

wats the hopefully it'll be clear part? Does that mean they took extra effort to avoid ninjamances?

[Collider]

#4. That space guy said he didn't seem like he was, though he will act really nice to femshep and they seemed to be close friends. But he has not completed the entire game yet so I wouldn't take it as 100% until someone actually goes through all the motions.

4. This person has had his/her copy for a day or two at most. And what they said could be true about most of the LIs in ME2 until you chose certain dialogue options. They haven't had enough time to explore all the options, so also not definitive.

This fits what I said. He hasn't completed the game yet so he wouldn't see the lines at the end of the game that I mentioned.

#5. How do you know they took Kelly's lines out?

5. I'm not aware of an older script vs a newer script, so no idea what the difference is. Last I checked, these two conversations were from the same leak.

It's not in the newest tlk file.
The older tlk files are more in the way of rough ideas and WIP stuff.

As long as there is hope for the romance to continue after the war that is all I need. Since like you said they flirt a lot in the game.

Not sure if you need to flirt a lot, though it couldn't hurt.

3. If you're talking about the TrueLove flag, yes. But then again, Miranda, Jack, Thane, Jacob and Samantha don't have the flags either. So it's not definative proof of LI status. A certain type of LI, probably, but this flag doesn't cover all of them.

Those flags were pretty clearly reserved for ME3 romances.
You can import your Miranda, Jack etc Shepard, but you don't actually get a normal romance throughout the game like you do Liara, Steve, Kaidan, etc. Nor can you start a new romance with the ME2 love interests.

The only problem i have with my own opinion is that I just don't get why Bioware would provide us a character with this amount of romantic potential, deliberately building him up to appeal to a certain target audiance, and then not providing him as a LI. That doesn't make good business sense to me, and I can't find a reason good enough to justify that kind of move. Maybe there is, and I just can't see it. Lord knows that's happened before.

I imagine they're testing something out here.

Will it work? Who knows, although I'd say probably yes.
The romance dialog at the end is open ended enough that it's great for fanfiction, fanart, and general fandom.

I suppose if this works out, Bioware could start making more diverse and different types of romances. That's a good thing, in my book.

[HK-90210]

Collider wrote...
Those flags were pretty clearly reserved for ME3 romances.
You can import your Miranda, Jack etc Shepard, but you don't actually get a normal romance throughout the game like you do Liara, Steve, Kaidan, etc. Nor can you start a new romance with the ME2 love interests.

I'd agree with you if Samantha had a flag. The person I talked to said she didn't. If she actually does, then I stand corrected.

Still not sure that the Kelly dialouge and the endgame Vega dialogue are in separate scripts. They're in the same file for me, and quite separate from the rough outline stuff from the first leak. Of course, trying to make sense out of the leaks is a tough job. Best not to get too deep into it. You'll go mad.

[Collider]

I'd agree with you if Samantha had a flag. The person I talked to said she didn't. If she actually does, then I stand corrected.

Pretty sure whoever was writing the code mixed up Samantha with Allers. Not surprising considering how much things are misspelled, including Kaidan's name.

Still not sure that the Kelly dialouge and the endgame Vega dialogue are in separate scripts. They're in the same file for me, and quite separate from the rough outline stuff from the first leak.

They are in different files, for certain.

[Abispa]

jellobell wrote...

catharsisboo wrote...
Maybe not. Now the guy over on Something Awful is saying that Garrus might be a new romance for fem Shep in ME3.

What? But didn't the Devs themselves confirm that the ME2 romances couldn't be started in ME3? Sounds like bull**** to me.

It may be BS, but it may be true. Both Garrus are Tali are NOT characters INTRODUCED in ME2, and Garrus is apparently a companion for most of ME3, unlike the characters introduced in ME2.

[phantomdragoness]

I just thought I'd drop by and share this.

I was showing my friend the demo, and when Vega walked in she FREAKED. She pointed at the screen and said: "HIM! I want him! He's MINE!" When I told her Freddie Prince Jr. voiced him, she just about died. So, y'all have another Vega fan. XD

Cheers!

[Aurora313]

HAHA! Stealth-dialogue!

*Just before landing on Tuchunka.*

James: Want to place bets on who'd win, Bones?
Garrus: Between whom? The Reaper and the Thresher?
James: Smart money's on the Thresher.
Garrus: Fine, 100 credits says the Thresher wins.
James: Nice. *Types something on ommi-tool.*
Garrus: Do you have a betting pool started or something?
James: ... maybe.
Garrus: Don't let Shepard find out. He'll -
Shepard: I already have.
James: Ho - Sh!t! I swear sir it's not what it -
Shepard: Starting a betting pool on the Thresher V Reaper fight?
James: Yeah...
Shepard: Why does no one tell me these things, I feel very left out. I think I'm gonna go cry in a corner now.
Garrus: Well what's your bet Shepard?
Shepard: Draw.
James: Ok, interesting choice.
Shepard: No, I mean draw your weapons, we're bailing out.

[Chewin]

Jilinna wrote...
D'aww it looks adorable! I think you should draw a picture of Shep and Vega bro-fisting or something along those lines. For Chewin and  Mesina's sake atleast, there is a lack of bro pictures with Vega.

You remembering something like that brings joy in my life.


Someone make it happen already!


Edit: Aurora, that's awesome!

Modifié par Chewin3, 26 février 2012 - 11:36 .

[breyant]

Jilinna wrote...

With that tweet in mind, it sounds like the only way to know for sure is to go through all the motions, I think that is why he said they are more organic this time around, a press of a button isn't going to determine the status of the relationship this time around, it will be au naturel like he said. 

Vega also has his own reasons to wait. Based on whatever happened on Fehl and him being a strict military man he wouldn't want to risk his feelings get in the way of the mission at hand. But when it comes to the final moments if you don't know if you are going to make it out alive or not it makes sense for him to open up. It gives you something to live for, that is one hell of a motivation.

It would also make the relationships feel more real, relationships don't normally take so fast to grow in RL, maybe they are trying something new. Seeing if gradual progression is better than the fast and furious of ME2 where the talks were very much "when are we going to have sex?" oriented.

I guess will see what happens. I will be content if it ends up like this though.

^ This. exactly.

I would absolutely LOVE if this is true. My biggest, well pretty much only complaint about Mass Effect is that the relationships have been very superficial, little more than "well we're going to die, so let's screw". I don't need or even want the sex scene, just make it seem like at the end of this journey, if they are still alive they're going to end up together. From the leaks I've seen, it sounds like that may happen with James. I know a lot of people wouldn't consider it an official love interest but it would be a lot better to me than a quickie on the engine room floor before final mission.

[foxtrotcharlie]

 Vega is very touched that we are all concerned about our relationship to him:


:by the lovely rabbitzoro on deviantart

[Amratis]

rapscallioness wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Calla S wrote...

Stroking James' thick torso.

I have no idea what to do with my feelings. I was just accepting the fact that James isn't going to be an LI, and now suddenly it's a possibility? WHAT IS GOING ON?

You're on this ride with the rest of us! :happy:

This rollercoaster o' Vega LI goodness gets all crazy! We go up up up up up up up and then plummet waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy down.

omg. that's the funniest thing i've seen.  and that's exactly what all of this feels like.

I'm the one at the back, on the right. 

[Saber Wolf]

I dare not believe that Vega isn't a romance option! He has to be!

[Chun Hei]

Datas_12 wrote...

I dare not believe that Vega isn't a romance option! He has to be!

IF IF IF the rumors are true he IS a romance option but not a sexual partner in game. But as others on this thread have said this is NOT a spoiler since nobody knows what is true any more.

[Jilinna]

Collider wrote...

#5. How do you know they took Kelly's lines out?

5. I'm not aware of an older script vs a newer script, so no idea what the difference is. Last I checked, these two conversations were from the same leak.

It's not in the newest tlk file.
The older tlk files are more in the way of rough ideas and WIP stuff.

The new tlk files? You mean the ones present in the demo?

Collider wrote...

As long as there is hope for the romance to continue after the war that is all I need. Since like you said they flirt a lot in the game.

Not sure if you need to flirt a lot, though it couldn't hurt.

Are you saying you don't think Shepard needs to show interest in Vega to initiate the admission of any feelings? Even Sebastian you had to make sure you took the right romance indicators or the romance would be cut off her fast. You can't even flirt with anyone or the romance is broken off from what I can recall but don't quote me on that.

What I meant by that line is that from the leaked beta there are a few scenes where Shepard can show jealousy, and flirt and Vega will also flirt back, it shows progression. If the romance ended up where you can only admit any feelings at all right at the end it would seem odd to me.

To me there needs to be signs and signals throughout the game to show some sort of attraction, without them it would be odd if as mac said they are going for a more organic approach. If there are no signs it would be insanely difficult to even notice that Vega is a romance option unless someone specifically went for him and stuck it out till the end of the game.

breyant wrote...
I would absolutely LOVE if this is true. My biggest, well pretty much only complaint about Mass Effect is that the relationships have been very superficial, little more than "well we're going to die, so let's screw". I don't need or even want the sex scene, just make it seem like at the end of this journey, if they are still alive they're going to end up together. From the leaks I've seen, it sounds like that may happen with James. I know a lot of people wouldn't consider it an official love interest but it would be a lot better to me than a quickie on the engine room floor before final mission.

Exactly! That was my problem with the ME2 LI's and why I have always preferred the ME1 romances. I don't need a sex scene my imagination works fine thanks. All I want is for there to be hope for the relationship to continue after the events, if I have that I am set.

Also wanted to say your Shepard looks great!

Modifié par Jilinna, 26 février 2012 - 08:12 .