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[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

breyant wrote...

So a random anonymous "reliable" source comes in and says James is not romanceable and everyone believes it without question?

It's not just that.  People opened the demo files and Vega was not listed with the other LIs under the "true love" category.  That and the leaked script seems to be near-identical to what we have seen so far.

[MACharlie1]

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

breyant wrote...

So a random anonymous "reliable" source comes in and says James is not romanceable and everyone believes it without question?

It's not just that.  People opened the demo files and Vega was not listed with the other LIs under the "true love" category.  That and the leaked script seems to be near-identical to what we have seen so far.

...wait....what? Why would there be a true love category? 

[Saberchic]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

breyant wrote...

So a random anonymous "reliable" source comes in and says James is not romanceable and everyone believes it without question?

It's not just that.  People opened the demo files and Vega was not listed with the other LIs under the "true love" category.  That and the leaked script seems to be near-identical to what we have seen so far.

...wait....what? Why would there be a true love category? 

This is killing my optimism... and hurting my head. I wanted my favorite manShep to leave Liara for James....

Ok. So we have leaked files that may imply he's not a LI but tweets that allude to possible LI status??? Darn you, Bioware! If I didn't know better, I'd say they planned this on purpose to keep us guessing!
*puts on conspiracy hat*

[Collider]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

breyant wrote...

So a random anonymous "reliable" source comes in and says James is not romanceable and everyone believes it without question?

It's not just that.  People opened the demo files and Vega was not listed with the other LIs under the "true love" category.  That and the leaked script seems to be near-identical to what we have seen so far.

...wait....what? Why would there be a true love category? 

They are variables having to do with romance.
Kaidan, Ashley, Liara, Tali, Garrus, Allers, and Cortez are listed. No James.
I imagine they mean Samantha instead of Allers, though.

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

MACharlie1 wrote...
...wait....what? Why would there be a true love category? 

Some variable from the files.  Probably from the Paramour acheivement.

Also, Steve and Samantha look to be very late additions. They were not even in the first draft, but Vega was.  If they have 100% fleshed-out romances in the newest script (along with all the ME1 and 2 romances) and Vega doesn't...

This is not conclusive evidence, but I really think Vega is going to be the Varric of ME3.

Modifié par Red by Full Metal Jacket, 18 février 2012 - 08:55 .

[Cathey]

I remember people talking about 'romance dlc' a while ago. Maybe BioWare listened and are planning on experimenting with that for Vega?

[MACharlie1]

Collider wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

breyant wrote...

So a random anonymous "reliable" source comes in and says James is not romanceable and everyone believes it without question?

It's not just that.  People opened the demo files and Vega was not listed with the other LIs under the "true love" category.  That and the leaked script seems to be near-identical to what we have seen so far.

...wait....what? Why would there be a true love category? 

They are variables having to do with romance.
Kaidan, Ashley, Liara, Tali, Garrus, Allers, and Cortez are listed. No James.
I imagine they mean Samantha instead of Allers, though.

Ah, the variables. I getcha. 

As for Vega being Varic...well...

Modifié par MACharlie1, 18 février 2012 - 09:02 .

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

Cathey wrote...

I remember people talking about 'romance dlc' a while ago. Maybe BioWare listened and are planning on experimenting with that for Vega?

Nah.  Freddy Prinze Jr. probably cost quite a bit of money for VA work, I don't think they would have him (and Yvonne S.) come back into the recording studio just for that.  DA2 could get away with it in their DLC because they are not Hollywood actors.

[Abispa]

What if Vega is like Sebastian? You can romance him, but he's all business since the galaxy is about to be destroyed. You never sex him up during the game, but by the end there is an indication that something is possible for him and Shepard in the future.

[Auron_Alexandros]

Saberchic wrote...

Collider wrote...

On the funnier side of things.. I think it would be absolutely hilarious, if maleShep; or James is getting "boned" by one another. Guys who exhibit their type of character (especially military, or fighters "MMA")... If they are homosexual, they tend to model whatever romantic feelings/relationship; after the way soldiers/warriors/fighters did in acient times. There was no boning each other (its also a huge turn-off to those kinds of guys, who by the way also have no problem with their sexuality), for some pretty understandable reasons (gonna keep it PG lmao). There was something else they got into. if and when things became... Intimate lol.

I honestly have no idea what you're saying.

Same here. Can you explain, Auron?

Sure sorry.

A couple of years ago I did research on how male/male relationships were viewed in the ancient world, all cultures. It was basically for a characters I had to do for a project, and what the person wanted me to do with the characters. Learned some pretty interesting stuff, which is quite different from what we are used to seeing in media. Also learned how silly modern views of male/male relationships are- from both sides to be honest, especially after the things I had learned about guys like my friend who is in the military, and fights (MMA)- when he told me he was homosexual.

In all cultures (Greece and Rome most popular), among the warrior/soldier/fighter/gladiator society; if two men created a bond- which then later became quite affectionate, then intimate- there was absolutely positively no penetration sex between them, or as some would say today "no boning" lol. They detested this for a few reasons.

1. The ideal man was seen as one "without holes"  (there was even a Greek term for it), so he was not to be peetrated.

2. They (they meaning warriors/soldiers/fighters ect) viewed it as HIGHLY degrading, humiliating. In some cultures eating your defeated enemy was seen as humiliation- being that you'd turn your defeated foes into poop lol. In some other cultures however Vikings in paticular; they would bone the last man, or men left on the battlefield. Basically it would make them feel as if they lost their warriorhood, their will to fight, and submitting to another man in all ways. No longer seen as men let alone warriors, they'd either be shunned, and ridiculed, raped again infront of the entire village, killed- or castrated... Which would really suck lol. They were often at times able to redeem themsleves.

3. Being penetrated was seen as something only for a woman, and those of low status socially; like a slave boy. If the man you had such a strong bond with, was viewed as your equal/brother; you did not and would not want him to take on the role of a female, or a slave boy.

4. They also viewed it as unclean, and also thought it feminized young men (there were perverts who e njoyed younger boys). Which would make them used to pleasing other men sexually, and they'd continue to do so into adulthood. The man who was aggressive in the act, was always seen as more manly, while the passive was not seen as a man at all, and not even a woman.

In Viking culture particually, if a man was allowing another man to penetrate him; he was seen as weak, and willing to be controlled by other men. The Persians had actually tried to feminize the Greeks in all ways, including that- so they would not have the will to fight. In Viking culture, men who more on the feminine side, or who just enjoyed being bonned by other men- would take up being a "wizard" (as they saw in their day), or "healer". It was primarily seen as a woman's thing to do, but these men faced less ridicule if they were seen as such.

As far as what these guys did do sexually. It was called "tribadism" or as people call today "frot". Some even did intercrural sex, there was even a Roman General who was straight up homosexual- who talked about that... I won't get into detail what those things were, again keeping it PG- gonna have to google that lol. But sexually, and emotionally it was seen as equal, and more masculine, with neither taking on the role of a female, or slave boy.

As far as my friend goes, he and his partner modeled their relationship quite like that. He's not ashamed of his sexuality one bit, and his family gets it, his other friends, including me who doesn't give a rat's ass who is gay lol- as long as you're a good person. He said at first he thought he was odd, because he and his partner are not into penetrative sex with each other. A lot of people are programmed into believing that if you're gay- you like getting bonned, or boning other guys- and that's simply not true. We learned that there are many other guys who feel the same exact way- not all of em are military or were fighters either. The ones howver who were involved in that world, mostly had that kind of mentality- not the negative/hostile parts, just the whole huge turn-off over being penetrated, or doing that to another guy. They also aren't too keen of the feminization of men.

Modifié par Auron_Alexandros, 18 février 2012 - 10:46 .

[foxtrotcharlie]

Abispa wrote...

What if Vega is like Sebastian? You can romance him, but he's all business since the galaxy is about to be destroyed. You never sex him up during the game, but by the end there is an indication that something is possible for him and Shepard in the future.

Honestly, to me, this would be a pretty good compromise if it turns out that Vega is not what the game considers a 'bona-fide' love interest.  If there is, for example, like a passionate kissing scene between Shep and Vega before the final battle instead of a full 'love scene' or various love scenes throughout the entire game as I am sure the other full LIs have.  



In fact, if seen logically, a slow progression towards a blossoming relationship at the end of the game would be much more preferable, at least to me, than a hurried one.  


Actually, now that I think about it.......this kind of ending makes much more sense, in terms of how the devs have portrayed Vega and in lieu of the recent information that we have recieved in terms of Vega's romantic subplot.

.....flirtatious dialogue throughout the game, other character's confirmations about Shepard and Vega being interested in one another, yet not being a 'full' LI.  Piece it together and it makes sense.  

If this is true, I honestly have to say that I may be just as excited then for Vega as I was before, maybe even more so because this, I believe, would be a great way of handling a new LI without compromising the integrity of the characters or the story.  <3



Horray for Optimism!

Modifié par foxtrotcharlie, 18 février 2012 - 11:23 .

[Auron_Alexandros]

foxtrotcharlie wrote...

Abispa wrote...

What if Vega is like Sebastian? You can romance him, but he's all business since the galaxy is about to be destroyed. You never sex him up during the game, but by the end there is an indication that something is possible for him and Shepard in the future.

Honestly, to me, this would be a pretty good compromise if it turns out that Vega is not what the game considers a 'bona-fide' love interest.  If there is, for example, like a passionate kissing scene between Shep and Vega before the final battle instead of a full 'love scene' or various love scenes throughout the entire game as I am sure the other full LIs have.  

In fact, if seen logically, a slow progression towards a blossoming relationship at the end of the game would be much more preferable, at least to me, than a hurried one.  

Actually, now that I think about it.......this kind of ending makes much more sense, in terms of how the devs have portrayed Vega and in lieu of the recent information that we have recieved in terms of Vega's romantic subplot.

.....flirtatious dialogue throughout the game, other character's confirmations about Shepard and Vega being interested in one another, yet not being a 'full' LI.  Piece it together and it makes sense.  

If this is true, I honestly have to say that I may be just as excited then for Vega as I was before, maybe even more so because this, I believe, would be a great way of handling a new LI without compromising the integrity of the characters or the story.  <3

Yeah I have a feeling it will be quite like Sebastian.

[foxtrotcharlie]

Sooo....Much...Spam....On...The...Main...Site....

Also, Vega:


"Happy v-day"


"ME3: Vega in color"

Both drawn by my personal favorite Vega-themed artist, V-OneShot

Modifié par foxtrotcharlie, 18 février 2012 - 11:32 .

[NicoNicastro]

Well I'm starting to get dissapointed with all this. But I can still cling to hope until its 100% confirmed hes not.

[ZehnWaters]

Give not up hope!

by Naahzda

[Hillbillyshep]

ZehnWaters wrote...

Give not up hope!

by Naahzda

One of my favorite James Vega-pics.
I love the cat and his smile, but the face is so wrong!

[ZehnWaters]

by felinna

Modifié par ZehnWaters, 19 février 2012 - 10:11 .

[ZehnWaters]

By felinna

Modifié par ZehnWaters, 19 février 2012 - 10:07 .

[mineralica]

Collider wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

breyant wrote...

So a random anonymous "reliable" source comes in and says James is not romanceable and everyone believes it without question?

It's not just that.  People opened the demo files and Vega was not listed with the other LIs under the "true love" category.  That and the leaked script seems to be near-identical to what we have seen so far.

...wait....what? Why would there be a true love category? 

They are variables having to do with romance.
Kaidan, Ashley, Liara, Tali, Garrus, Allers, and Cortez are listed. No James.
I imagine they mean Samantha instead of Allers, though.

Wait a second... where's Miranda, Jacob, Thane and Jack?

[Eliantariel]

mineralica wrote...

Collider wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

breyant wrote...

So a random anonymous "reliable" source comes in and says James is not romanceable and everyone believes it without question?

It's not just that.  People opened the demo files and Vega was not listed with the other LIs under the "true love" category.  That and the leaked script seems to be near-identical to what we have seen so far.

...wait....what? Why would there be a true love category? 

They are variables having to do with romance.
Kaidan, Ashley, Liara, Tali, Garrus, Allers, and Cortez are listed. No James.
I imagine they mean Samantha instead of Allers, though.

Wait a second... where's Miranda, Jacob, Thane and Jack?

Maybe the data is not complete? It was a demo file after all...

Damn, those last three weeks until the game comes out are really hard 

[CroGamer002]

I was bored and skimmed through this thread and all I can say, James Vega not being a LI is BS.


Seriously, James Vega is only human male we will have in ME3 squad 100%.
Why wouldn't he be LI, atl east for FemShep?


Plus, he asks FemShep to dance with him in his own damn trailer!


Anyway, should leave BSN temporary for real this time.
Spoilers from full game are danger close.

[Chewin]

Kinda interesting if James isn't a romance option, considering ME3 is a great entry point into the universe (not that that wouldn't play any major factors in that statement, in fact).

I forgot, who exactly are available romance options if you start from ME3? VS, Allers and Cortez?

And foxtrot is back!

[Ajwol Semreth]

Chewin3 wrote...

I forgot, who exactly are available romance options if you start from ME3? VS, Allers and Cortez?

I believe there's Samantha Traynor as well. She and Cortez are the s/s only romances.

Modifié par Ajwol Semreth, 19 février 2012 - 02:15 .

[mineralica]

Ajwol Semreth wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

I forgot, who exactly are available romance options if you start from ME3? VS, Allers and Cortez?

I believe there's Samantha Traynor as well. She and Cortez are the s/s only romances.

And Liara is there as well.

Edit: yeah, that's rather entertaining picture for femShep and new o/s romance:lol:

Modifié par mineralica, 19 février 2012 - 02:26 .

[Ajwol Semreth]

mineralica wrote...

]And Liara is there as well.

Edit: yeah, that's rather entertaining picture for femShep and new o/s romance:lol:

Yeah, kind of disappointed by that. Oh well, I guess my femShep will be going for a trilogy long Liara romance after all.