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As a woman and a feminist - and i definitely don't hate men ;) - someone saving my life by grabbing my chest is not going to offend me in the slightest. Nor does it offend me that they changed it so Anderson doesn't grab her chest.

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Golden Owl wrote...

Well this is just silly....I can understand why BW has done it though, extremists make a lot of noise, play safe by not disturbing the 'snake pit'....it's a damned shame BW or anybody/organization for that matter have to take such precautions...the extremists really are very loud and know how to get attention.


Funny thing is :P they trolling over if he would grab the femshep in chest/boobs would be a great deal, then what can we say about gay relationships in ME3?? :P

p.s. I got nothing against it btw :)

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EternalAmbiguity wrote...

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I agree, many people do not know what a feminist means.  If you believe that women and men should be equal, you are by basic definition a feminist.  however common image of a feminist is a "man-hater" that media protrays which is an extreme.


People love to say it's about equal rights, but it often isn't.

Equal rights: Anderson grabs both male and female Shep by the chest.

Yet most feminists would absolutely never support that.


Your evidence? I'm a feminist and I'm fine with it.

If anyone went back to that other thread they'd find out that the only people who purported to be outraged were kidding. Pretty much everyone except the OP (troll?) were fine with Anderson touching FemShep's boobs in order to save her life. Not an issue.

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Personally, I hate the terms feminist and feminism. I often get glares from my girlfriends when I say “The only thing wrong with feminism are feminist.”

I think it’s a term that is overused and over-analyzed. I wonder how many “feminist” are proactively working for and advocating betterment for women and how many just go around pointing out when someone is being sexist. One of these things is not like the other. If you just believe that women should have the same social, political and economical rights as men. A lot of men believe that too. It’s called believing in human rights. And that’s not exclusive to women.

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Shinobu wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

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I agree, many people do not know what a feminist means.  If you believe that women and men should be equal, you are by basic definition a feminist.  however common image of a feminist is a "man-hater" that media protrays which is an extreme.


People love to say it's about equal rights, but it often isn't.

Equal rights: Anderson grabs both male and female Shep by the chest.

Yet most feminists would absolutely never support that.


Your evidence? I'm a feminist and I'm fine with it.


Eternal was referring to the people who claim to be feminists when their actions and beliefs are not feministic. Those who claim they want equality but then demand to be treated all special because they're women. Basically, they don't want to be equals; what they want is to have everything that benefits women, including the double standards, on top of being "equals" when those things do not benefit them despite that not being close to true equality.

There was a thread months ago with these same people saying it was somehow sexist or degrading to women for Anderson to save FemShep from falling to her death by catching he

Modifié par aLucidMind, 14 février 2012 - 01:38 .


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aLucidMind wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

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I agree, many people do not know what a feminist means.  If you believe that women and men should be equal, you are by basic definition a feminist.  however common image of a feminist is a "man-hater" that media protrays which is an extreme.


People love to say it's about equal rights, but it often isn't.

Equal rights: Anderson grabs both male and female Shep by the chest.

Yet most feminists would absolutely never support that.


Your evidence? I'm a feminist and I'm fine with it.


Eternal was referring to the people who claim to be feminists when their actions and beliefs are not feministic. Those who claim they want equality but then demand to be treated all special because they're women. Basically, they don't want to be equals; what they want is to have everything that benefits women, including the double standards, on top of being "equals" despite that not being close to true equality.

There was a thread months ago with these same people saying it was somehow sexist or degrading to women for Anderson to save FemShep from falling to her death by catching he


Ok, but that wasn't what was said.

Go back to the thread. No one was saying it was sexist or degrading except the trolls.

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Wow is this what this forum has come to? There have been some all time lows on this forum.. but this warrants multiple facepalms.

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Eternal was referring to the people who claim to be feminists when their actions and beliefs are not feministic. Those who claim they want equality but then demand to be treated all special because they're women. Basically, they don't want to be equals; what they want is to have everything that benefits women, including the double standards, on top of being "equals" when those things do not benefit them despite that not being close to true equality.

There was a thread months ago with these same people saying it was somehow sexist or degrading to women for Anderson to save FemShep from falling to her death by catching he


Yep, same problem I have with all of the racial inequality BS.

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Why are female Shepard's boobs somehow more taboo than the male's anyway? It's not like they're a sexual organ. In Europe, chicks frequently swim topless. I bet a hundred years down the line boobs on a woman won't be any more horrifying to the general public than boobs on a guy.

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Gender-specific, totally harmless difference in animations causes BSN to crap out a 10-page anti-feminism thread about how "Bioware's pandering to teh feminists!"

This forum needs an on-call psychologist just to keep gang warfare from breaking out, I swear to God.

:(

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here's how femshep would react lol:


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Shinobu wrote...

If anyone went back to that other thread they'd find out that the only people who purported to be outraged were kidding. Pretty much everyone except the OP (troll?) were fine with Anderson touching FemShep's boobs in order to save her life. Not an issue.


Thank god, I'm not the only one that remembers that thread like this. I was starting to wonder if I'd gone mad.

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Sgt.Catman wrote...

Wow is this what this forum has come to? There have been some all time lows on this forum.. but this warrants multiple facepalms.


some all time lows


some


What forum did you think you posted that comment on? Because you posted it on the BSN.

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I have had to grab a woman to save her from falling into a puddle, where afterwards she remarks that I touched her breast. I certainly hadn't noticed. Seriously, ladies, if the back of a guys hand skims the side of your breast, don't say anything if it was unintentional. The only possible outcomes are a fight or a really stupid conversation.

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ODST 3 wrote...

Why are female Shepard's boobs somehow more taboo than the male's anyway? It's not like they're a sexual organ. In Europe, chicks frequently swim topless. I bet a hundred years down the line boobs on a woman won't be any more horrifying to the general public than boobs on a guy.


I doubt it. It is somehow taboo to show nudity in a movie with a 10pm start time on a weeknight, but it is totally fine to show uncensored, excessive gore that would make Vlad the Impaler cringe at a 4/5/6pm start time.

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Gender-specific, totally harmless difference in animations causes BSN to crap out a 10-page anti-feminism thread about how "Bioware's pandering to teh feminists!"


Not anti-feminism, anti-hypocrites-distorting-the-meaning-ism. If you demand true gender equality and then call a man a lazy ****** because he wants to be a stay-at-home father, then that is saying "I only demand equality when double standards do not benefit me". I work with a lot of fathers who make much less and actually want to be a stay-at-home dad yet their wife won't let them because it isn't "manly".

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I have had to grab a woman to save her from falling into a puddle, where afterwards she remarks that I touched her breast. I certainly hadn't noticed. Seriously, ladies, if the back of a guys hand skims the side of your breast, don't say anything if it was unintentional. The only possible outcomes are a fight or a really stupid conversation.


This; a confident, strong, rational woman would realize it was unintentional and either ignore it or make a joke out of it.

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bucyrus5000 wrote...

I have had to grab a woman to save her from falling into a puddle, where afterwards she remarks that I touched her breast. I certainly hadn't noticed. Seriously, ladies, if the back of a guys hand skims the side of your breast, don't say anything if it was unintentional. The only possible outcomes are a fight or a really stupid conversation.


aLucidMind wrote...

If you demand true gender equality and then call a man a lazy ****** because he wants to be a stay-at-home father, then that is saying "I only demand equality when double standards do not benefit me".

THIS THREAD LOOKS LIKE THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS MY UNRESOLVED INTERPERSONAL ISSUES AND/OR STRAW(WO)MEN FEMINISTS

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bucyrus5000 wrote...

I have had to grab a woman to save her from falling into a puddle, where afterwards she remarks that I touched her breast. I certainly hadn't noticed. Seriously, ladies, if the back of a guys hand skims the side of your breast, don't say anything if it was unintentional. The only possible outcomes are a fight or a really stupid conversation.


Something like this popped into my head...

"You touched my breast, you male chauvanist pig!"

"That's right. I intentionally reached for that spot when catching you, just so I could cop a feel. What can I say, I'll take any chance I can."

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Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

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If you demand true gender equality and then call a man a lazy ****** because he wants to be a stay-at-home father, then that is saying "I only demand equality when double standards do not benefit me".

THIS THREAD LOOKS LIKE THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS MY UNRESOLVED INTERPERSONAL ISSUES AND/OR STRAW(WO)MEN FEMINISTS


What interpersonal issues? It was merely an example. Had I been talking about my experiences, I would have specifically stated it was my experience.

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I just played through as MShep and Anderson didn't really grab his chest, he kind of just caught him with his hand and a little bit of his forearm around his upper rib area, but definitely not his chest.

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aLucidMind wrote...

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

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If you demand true gender equality and then call a man a lazy ****** because he wants to be a stay-at-home father, then that is saying "I only demand equality when double standards do not benefit me".

THIS THREAD LOOKS LIKE THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS MY UNRESOLVED INTERPERSONAL ISSUES AND/OR STRAW(WO)MEN FEMINISTS


What interpersonal issues? It was merely an example. Had I been talking about my experiences, I would have specifically stated it was my experience.


Oh, you're the strawman guy. Above guy was the one who was all "once I touched a chicks boob and she got mad about it. The BSN must know!"

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Oh, you're the strawman guy. Above guy was the one who was all "once I touched a chicks boob and she got mad about it. The BSN must know!"


I don't think it is a strawman argument since I was talking about the hypocrites rather than actual feminists; I might be misinterpretting though.

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Lolz i tink anderson was liek, man she gonna be fine. I aint touchin her der, a slap from dat chick could knock down a krogan tbh

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 Hey kids, there's nothing more cool than...oh hell, this meme is old

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Some spoilers but shep is falling in a scene  and he catches Shepard differently based on gender. Basically grabs male shep by the chest  using his entire arm but fem shep by the shirt from her back. He was saving her life, would people really have an issue with him grabbing her chest to save her?


I remember that this topic was discussed a few months back. Ironically, a lot of people had an issue with it.


No, they didn't. Go back and read it again.

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Lolz i tink anderson was liek, man she gonna be fine. I aint touchin her der, a slap from dat chick could knock down a krogan tbh

Last thing you want is a fight with a woman who can headbutt a Krogan and be unphased by his head plate lol.