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[Pseron Wyrd]

Oddshrub wrote...
Personally I like both game types and I think it would be tragic if one of them dissapeared.

I agree 100%.

Although my preference is for freedom (nothing beats exploring Vvardenfell and Cyrodiil for me) I am sometimes also in the mood for story-driven games. I'm having a blast playing DA:O right now. But I'll be returning to an Elder Scrolls game when I'm finished, though

All this talk about The Witcher has me intrigued about the game. The problem I have with The Witcher (and the reason I've never bought it) is because I do not like games that do not allow character creation. The ability to create our own characters should be rule #1 for any RPG.

Modifié par Pseron Wyrd, 24 novembre 2009 - 11:13 .

[Bored Games]

Those who fell in love with FF7 are in their early to late 20s. FF7 was the game of your childhood, and you will always remember it as such. It was one of the games that created a lot of the RPG players today. There were few RPGs before FF7 that appealed to non-RPG players. Chrono Trigger was one of them (if I don't put this, people will kill me). And I do believe FF7 is overrated. I absolutely love it. It is my favorite childhood game, but you have to admit the FF7 craze could be toned down a bit.

 I was 23 when I played FF9 and still thought it  was great at the time.   

Modifié par Bored Games, 24 novembre 2009 - 11:12 .

[daguest]

salbine wrote...

Bored Games wrote...

I've had more fun playing a few hours of the origin stories in DAO than  the entire play time of Fallout 3, and it's only the beginning.  Take note Bethesda, running around an empty world with nothing of significance to do does not make a game.

No, Bethesda, don't take note. Some of us prefer sandbox style games with tons of exploration. Some of us prefer cinematic games like DA:O. Most of us like both. So please keep making your type of game, and BioWare, please keep making yours. That is all.

Agree. I love all the bioware game, more than bethesda. But i enjoy playing bethesda game. I still play FO3 from time to time. It's just different, i enjoy cheeseburger, but i also like baconburger.

[Shinji Ex]

BioWare makes adventure campaign games not true RPG. Were is Bethesda make true old school open ended the world is yours RPG that never end.

[Cadarin]

I used to play a lot of JRPGs when I was younger. Chrono Trigger on the SNES is still one of my favorite games of all time. Funnily enough, FF7 was the game that turned me off of JRPGs. It was the first one that introduced the incredibly long summon spells, which basically turned the combat into an interactive movie. Unfortunately (imo) it seems like every JRPG since then has emulated it. The last one I played was Skies of Arcadia, which I really would have enjoyed if it wasn't for being forced to watch a 45 second spell get cast for the 500th time.

[Erruk]

PONG.

[Seraphael]

Bored Games wrote...

I've had more fun playing a few hours of the origin stories in DAO than  the entire play time of Fallout 3, and it's only the beginning.  Take note Bethesda, running around an empty world with nothing of significance to do does not make a game.

What has happened to RPGs/adventure in the last few years?  I mean FF7-9, Ocarina of Time , Shenmue, KOTOR, all classics.  What is there now?  Elder Scrolls, Fallout, both of which are boring  when it comes down to it, and various well rated graphical showcases/set piece "games" (*cough*MGS4*cough*Uncharted*cough*).  

It's been bleak if you're a PS3 owner.

Bethesda make fluff games. They are pretty and large, but totally lacks soul. Since Bioware's little brother Obsidian is developing Fallout: New Vegas, I'm hopeful the game might actually not suck. :happy:

Modifié par Seraphael, 25 novembre 2009 - 12:04 .

[Elizire]

ItsToofy wrote...

The Witcher Enhanced came out, it was a free update to those that bought the original version, so much content and for FREE, it doesnt matter when you bought the game, you still got the content, I suggest picking it up and giving it a run, its by an independant polish developer based on a popular polish series of books (yay! my countryman have contributed to the community!). Combat, Inventory and Crafting (alchemy) system is something that may drive you mad, but the story and the setting and the lore will keep you hooked and wanting more....oh and the sex, cant forget the sex...lots of sex, I wouldnt call it a masterpiece, but the developers poured their soul into that game because it was based around their own pop culture, not something corporate and shoddily put together, and if there was a problem with it or there just wasn't "enough", CD Projekt (the developer) sacrificed their time to release something for free to their community that was massive, and that in itself deserves kudos and at least a nod to the game.

Absolutely agree, 100%. For a mature themed, story driven rpg, it doesn't get much better than the Witcher. OTH, I also enjoyed the story in Mass Effect as well, if not the combat mechanics.

[Drasekk]

Sinfulvannila wrote...

Planescape was just boring through and through. It made me want to read a book.

JRPGs are generally designed for teenagers, so maybe that's why you don't like them.

As if thats a bad thing.......

Read some books man, might just make you appreciate things to a depth you hadnt previously understood or even knew existed.

[Jonfon_ire]

marshalleck wrote...

There was no malice intended for The Witcher. I just hate to buy a product and then discover a superior version at the same price. I'm all for independent game development since that's where the most innovation takes place.

That's the wonderful part of the Witcher. When they did release an Extended version (which also fixed the loadtimes in the crappy NWN2 engine they used) they also gave it out free as a patch to their current user base.

I rebought it (original was a box version and the DVD got wrecked) from Steam about 2 months ago in a half-price sale as a Dragon Age warm-up game. It's good fun with an excellent combat system. There's a Steam Sale on over the next few days so I wouldn't be surprised to see it on sale again on Steam.

I always get the feeling Bioware sorta liked the tone and feel of the setting of the Witcher, as well as some of the systems it uses (notably the alchemy & bombs). The DA:O interfaces are much nicer though.

Modifié par Jonfon_ire, 26 novembre 2009 - 01:38 .

[Jonfon_ire]

Ack, pressed Quote instead of Edit

<- Idiot

Modifié par Jonfon_ire, 26 novembre 2009 - 01:37 .

[Jonfon_ire]

Seraphael wrote...

Bored Games wrote...

I've had more fun playing a few hours of the origin stories in DAO than  the entire play time of Fallout 3, and it's only the beginning.  Take note Bethesda, running around an empty world with nothing of significance to do does not make a game.

What has happened to RPGs/adventure in the last few years?  I mean FF7-9, Ocarina of Time , Shenmue, KOTOR, all classics.  What is there now?  Elder Scrolls, Fallout, both of which are boring  when it comes down to it, and various well rated graphical showcases/set piece "games" (*cough*MGS4*cough*Uncharted*cough*).  

It's been bleak if you're a PS3 owner.

Bethesda make fluff games. They are pretty and large, but totally lacks soul. Since Bioware's little brother Obsidian is developing Fallout: New Vegas, I'm hopeful the game might actually not suck. :happy:

Obsidian? Uh-oh.

So long as they aren't allowed make any engine tweaks we might be Ok. 

Still Obsidian do like having parties and companions so hopefully it'll be less lonely than Fallout 3 (after playing Fallout 3 for a few weeks I read The Road. Talk about getting "bleaked" out by humanity )

[StrangeCat Productions]

I just beat The Witcher for the first time. It was amazing! There is no story like that. I thought it was as good as Knights of the Old Republic and Mask of the Betrayer.

I have always loved FF7 and FF8, Xenogears. I always considered FF7 to be the The Game.

When it came out everyone in the industry was blown away. It was never repeated again.

Same can be said for Baldur's Gate Saga.



The Witcher though did things no game has done before. I can't explain it you have to play it.

Story wise there is nothing like it.



I want to play DAO but I am now having a horrible time trying to find the time. I think I would Play DAO when they release this new DLC and maybe some Pro Mods come out, Adult and others. Would be cool to buy all the new content when I play the game for the first time.

[Sibelius1]

Vodrath wrote...

BTW: Emo-hairstyle and ridicilous clothing/oversized swords in an age of guns just try to make the hero character less bland. They are bland, until you work through the numerous flashbacks. You know the character you play at the end of the game instead from the beginning... Thank god for western RPGs!

Be careful what you say. Have you seen any of The Old Republic's character models yet?

Bioware actually seem to be using the FF series as inspiration. Emo hair, ridiculous clothing, and huge oversized weapons are the order of the day.

[Neil Decurio]

marshalleck wrote...

The best thing that can be said of FF7 was that it was better than every FF which followed. Take that as you will.

Well that comes down to invidual preference. I too felt FF7 had something extra over the ones that followed, and I believe this comes from FF7 being the first RPG that really got me addicted (I had played RPG games before that time, and I had been entertained, but not at such a large scale level wich FF7 managed to do)--but I was highly entertained by FF8, FF9 and FF10. I played FF11 (wich is different, being a MMO and all) for several years as well. And Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII on the PSP was also a really good FF game. Overall, my favorite game series going back through the years has to be the Final Fantasy franchise. I watched my ex-wife play the japanese version of FF12, but since I am not that good at reading/speaking japanese, I couldn't get into it as much, hehe. I am looking forward to FF13 and FF14 though.

Anyways, to stay more on topic; Dragon Age: Origins, is probably the game that has sucked me in the most in several years. I haven't spent nearly 30 hours playing a game without a break in ages. DA:O managed to do that to me. Sure, there are flaws with DA:O as well, bugs and such here and there, but it doesn't make me feel any less love for the fantastic game.

It's like a mini-cure for my hypersomnia!

Modifié par Neil Decurio, 26 novembre 2009 - 02:41 .

[Bakakenny]

Rainen89 wrote...

I will never understand the specific obsession with FF-7? Seriously it was good. It was not THAT good. That being said, yes DAO destroys any and all competition and needs some kind of award. Bioware did a phenomenal job.

Basically it's because it was the first game of it's kind. 
And for those of us that had been gaming back during that time, it was highly impressive.
It offered an exceptional storyline, with a TON of play hours, TWO TONS if you had the balls to actually go do all the side quests, chocobo farting (heh), hunt and kill off the Weaopns, etc.

And as far as i know, it was also the first RPG to make use of polygons...
and cinema like cutscenes.
hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKvxr44o1Po
Perfect example (replaces xx's with tt's).  It's a nice montage of the FF7 video clips...WAY ahead of it's time.
And it' sbecause it left such a huge impression on us that we still revere and hold it dear to our gamer hearts to this day!

[HHHLie]

Everybody's talking about FF7, am I the only one to think FF6 was the best of the lot ?


Edit: as far as oldies go, I'd chose PlaneScape Torment, BG2 and Chrono Trigger.

Modifié par HHHLie, 26 novembre 2009 - 03:43 .

[Kralon]

Bored Games wrote...

I've had more fun playing a few hours of the origin stories in DAO than  the entire play time of Fallout 3, and it's only the beginning.  Take note Bethesda, running around an empty world with nothing of significance to do does not make a game.

Saying Bethesda should take note on how to build an open world sandbox rpg by watching Bioware make an instanced world story intensive  rpg intrigues me.

Two different styles of games. Bethesda is great at what they do and Bioware is great at what they do. Neither needs to take notes from the other. 

( And please Bioware, do not let Obsidian anywhere near DA:O, bad enough I'm having to skip Fallout: Vegas since Bethesda made the Obsidian mistake now ).

[DarkAngel1979]

whoosi wrote...

FF7 was a master pice for its time, and today is still considerd an epic.

FF7 was ****e. Terrible story, unappealing characters (Sephiroth is a pansy... give me a good villain like Golbez/Zeromus or Kefka over him any day), and it was released in the awkward period of time where 3D graphics were worse looking than sprite graphics. FF8 had the graphics but somehow was able to find an even worse storyline and even worse characters, not to mention that it has the worst possible combat system ever conceived for an FF game. Overall, FF8 was a great feat: how to possibly ruin a formula that had worked so well until then. One would almost think they planned on making a terrible game.

There was no great FF game during the PSX era. FF9 was merely decent, and that's because they went heavy on the nostalgia, which is just a cheap ploy to garner interest after two terrible games. FF6 was the greatest, then FFX after that (and the X-2 sequel wasn't half bad either, if you could get over the girlyness).

[Sinfulvannila]

HHHLie wrote...

Everybody's talking about FF7, am I the only one to think FF6 was the best of the lot ?


Edit: as far as oldies go, I'd chose PlaneScape Torment, BG2 and Chrono Trigger.

/argree on FF6

Loved how the party initially fails and they are for the most part morally ambiguous. I do like 10 and 12 a lot though. 10 is strange, the more I play it, the more I love the characters but the more I dislike the battle system. 12 is a blast, it's probably the funnest, most challenging(if you include the optional stuff) one of the bunch and on a second playthrough the characters grow on you, especially the villians.

Minor, vaugue spoilers ahead.

Someone before said Oblivion had a good story, I have to disagree. Personally I think it's the worst story of any RPG I've ever played. First off it's completely dependent on destiny/deus ex machina. Secondly, 60% of it is a giant fetch quest. Finally, you realize that the prince could have done everything all along. So basically it wind up that you are destined by the stars to be the princes lapdog. It's just such a terrible combination of illusory freedom and detiny.

[Sinfulvannila]

DarkAngel1979 wrote...

whoosi wrote...

FF7 was a master pice for its time, and today is still considerd an epic.

FF7 was ****e. Terrible story, unappealing characters (Sephiroth is a pansy... give me a good villain like Golbez/Zeromus or Kefka over him any day), and it was released in the awkward period of time where 3D graphics were worse looking than sprite graphics. FF8 had the graphics but somehow was able to find an even worse storyline and even worse characters, not to mention that it has the worst possible combat system ever conceived for an FF game. Overall, FF8 was a great feat: how to possibly ruin a formula that had worked so well until then. One would almost think they planned on making a terrible game.

There was no great FF game during the PSX era. FF9 was merely decent, and that's because they went heavy on the nostalgia, which is just a cheap ploy to garner interest after two terrible games. FF6 was the greatest, then FFX after that (and the X-2 sequel wasn't half bad either, if you could get over the girlyness).

I think you need to replay FF7 if you thought the story was terrible. Clearly you didn't understand what was going on if you believe Sephiroth was the villian. You don't ever even fight Sephiroth in that game. It's Jenova the entire time...

[feroxthegreywarden]

Bored Games wrote...

I've had more fun playing a few hours of the origin stories in DAO than  the entire play time of Fallout 3, and it's only the beginning.  Take note Bethesda, running around an empty world with nothing of significance to do does not make a game.

What has happened to RPGs/adventure in the last few years?  I mean FF7-9, Ocarina of Time , Shenmue, KOTOR, all classics.  What is there now?  Elder Scrolls, Fallout, both of which are boring  when it comes down to it, and various well rated graphical showcases/set piece "games" (*cough*MGS4*cough*Uncharted*cough*).  

It's been bleak if you're a PS3 owner.

the elder scrolls series predates DA:O and its spiritual predecessors by many many years. Personally I've played fallout 3(was never a big fan of the first two because of the top down baldurs gate kind of view, so never played em) multiple times and easily 100+ hours.. there is no comparison that a large open world is better then a scripted linear one, atleast for my taste and history of games. I doubt I will be playing DA:O over more then once, the story is great but the fighting every room is worse then the old final fantasy games where you walked 10 feet and go another random encounter lol.

and if you REALLY want to say what happened to rpgs.. you should ask what happened to RPGs in the last 15 years or more... rpgs are nothing like they use to be, in scale, scope, depth, and originality.

Modifié par feroxthegreywarden, 26 novembre 2009 - 04:46 .