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[future_usmc]

It's not outside the realm of possibility that
A) She already had a degree, or
She got her degree during ME series (only takes about two years after Boot Camp and SOI to get degree)

As for how she ranked up so fast, knowing the right people can get you far in life. Also depending on what your MOS is you can receive promotions at a much greater rate depending on what they want you to be. Furthermore during the battle for the Citadel many human ships were destroyed leaving many ranks and as the announcement "Recruitment for the Alliance is at an all time low" from ME2 it's quite reasonable to believe that there aren't as many officers so she would be pushed through to fill the ranks. Granted six months is incredibly fast to rank up it isn't outside the realm of possibility if they want her in a certain command position.

[sunnydxmen]

she could have a bachelors degree it has been years sence me1

[PrinceLionheart]

OceanH wrote...

And I still can't believe people out who still argue that it doesn't matters. Try telling to an active duty or military veteran that there's no difference between "clip" and "mag".

While I'm at it, I'll tell them to camp behind cover to regenerate their health.

[CrazyCatDude]

These days, you're nearly as likely to find people with Bachelors and Masters degrees in the enlisted ranks as you are among officers, but leaving that aside, it's entirely possible that they commissioned Ashley as an O4 (That's Officer 4 or Lieutenant Commander). It's not uncommon for someone who has prior military experience as an enlisted person to be commissioned at a higher rank.

In fact, I don't know if there's still doing this, but when I was in high school, if you took four years of junior ROTC in high school, you could go into the service as an E4 if you want into the same branch as the ROTC you took (i.e. if your jROTC was sponsored by the Airforce, you enlisted as a E4, or Senior Airman. If you went into any other branch, you went in as an E3. And if you went to college and took ROTC while you got your bachelors, when you graduated, you were commissioned as a O2 or an O3.

What I think a lot of people are missing is, NCO's are not simply promoted to Officer rank. Going from Operations Chief to Lieutenant Commander isn't a matter of getting promoted four times, it involves moving from the enlisted rank structure to the officer rank structure, and while officers do always outrank enlisted personnel, they are two different rank structures, and when moving from one to the other, it's not outside the realm of possibility for them to have looked at her prior service and just commissioned her as a Lt. Commander

[warriorN7]

has anyone said mass effect fields yet

[Han Shot First]

knightnblu wrote...

Frankly, the Alliance rank structure is a joke. There is no rhyme or reason to it because it is just window dressing. Even the uniforms carry no rank insignia that match any identifiable pattern. Some rank is blacked out, some isn't, and some is absent. Stripes on one pair of shoulder epaulets are addressed as Admiral where identically striped epaulets are addressed as Captain. Hell, we are not even sure if Shepard is a Commander or Lt. Commander or even what the difference is between the two in the Alliance command structure. All that needed to happen was for BioWare to sit down and spend fifteen to twenty minutes addressing the problem or run an internet search. They didn't do it.
 
Just ignore the rank and move on because it isn't important. If it were important then BioWare would have written a series bible to preserve continuity and to make sure that such things made sense. In short, what we see regarding the Alliance is what a civilian thinks the military ought to be in their mind and since rank, protocol, and tradition means damned little to a civilian, that is what you get. It isn't personal, it just is. So take it at face value and let it be. That's my advice at any rate.

I agree. The rank structure is a little jacked up and nonsensical (as is the organization of the Alliance military into  a single service), but I don't see either of these things as being something that breaks the story. In fact it is pretty much standard fare in Sci Fi. Militaries in Sci Fi universes are pretty much never realistic. They are always organized or function in ways that seem bizarre in comparison to real world examples. Usually that is because the stories are being written by people who aren't veterans.

That being said I wonder why they didn't get William Dietz to work on that portion of the Mass Effect lore. He served in the US Navy as a Corpsman (medic) and in that capacity also served with the US Marines.

[PrinceLionheart]

CrazyCatDude wrote...

These days, you're nearly as likely to find people with Bachelors and Masters degrees in the enlisted ranks as you are among officers, but leaving that aside, it's entirely possible that they commissioned Ashley as an O4 (That's Officer 4 or Lieutenant Commander). It's not uncommon for someone who has prior military experience as an enlisted person to be commissioned at a higher rank.

In fact, I don't know if there's still doing this, but when I was in high school, if you took four years of junior ROTC in high school, you could go into the service as an E4 if you want into the same branch as the ROTC you took (i.e. if your jROTC was sponsored by the Airforce, you enlisted as a E4, or Senior Airman. If you went into any other branch, you went in as an E3. And if you went to college and took ROTC while you got your bachelors, when you graduated, you were commissioned as a O2 or an O3.

What I think a lot of people are missing is, NCO's are not simply promoted to Officer rank. Going from Operations Chief to Lieutenant Commander isn't a matter of getting promoted four times, it involves moving from the enlisted rank structure to the officer rank structure, and while officers do always outrank enlisted personnel, they are two different rank structures, and when moving from one to the other, it's not outside the realm of possibility for them to have looked at her prior service and just commissioned her as a Lt. Commander

That's the most likely scenario. She's been running missions fo Anderson since before ME2 started that is so classified even The Illusive Man had no idea what she was up to. It's too much out of the realm of possiblity, that given her past test scores, serving with Shep in ME1, remaining loyal to Alliance in ME2, and running all of those missions from Anderson probably led to her getting a high rank off the bat.

[Mhg122287]

warriorN7 wrote...

has anyone said mass effect fields yet

a wizard did it.

[Benu5]

You don't need a Bachelor to get a commission (to get to Major maybe, but even then that's not set in stone), besides any soldier would take a SNCO turned Rupert over one with a Bachelor.

[SailorVega]

Has anyone seen Mess Perfect? Clearly, Ashley was instremental in the Battle for the Citadel.

[CrazyCatDude]

Benu5 wrote...

You don't need a Bachelor to get a commission (to get to Major maybe, but even then that's not set in stone), besides any soldier would take a SNCO turned Rupert over one with a Bachelor.

Actually, yeah, you kind of do.  At least in the US military, which is one of the most well educated on the planet, admittedly.  A Bachelor's to make officer, and the equivelent of a PhD in military theory to make Admiral/General

[Zalitara]

xnoxiousx wrote...

She got in pants of some high ranking officers....
















just jking..

For some she kinda did get in the pants of an officer.

[General User]

CrazyCatDude wrote...

These days, you're nearly as likely to find people with Bachelors and Masters degrees in the enlisted ranks as you are among officers, but leaving that aside, it's entirely possible that they commissioned Ashley as an O4 (That's Officer 4 or Lieutenant Commander). It's not uncommon for someone who has prior military experience as an enlisted person to be commissioned at a higher rank.

Aye.  Completely, 100%, correct.

Historically too, it's not that unusual for persons of exceptional skill and experience (like Ashley) to be commissioned as officers at an advanced rank, skipping the lower ranks.  Sometimes even civilians would enter the service at senior ranks.  The American war hero Joshua Chamberlain entered the service for the first time at the rank of Lt. Col.

Modifié par General User, 15 février 2012 - 02:58 .

[CptData]

Zalitara wrote...

xnoxiousx wrote...

She got in pants of some high ranking officers....

*snip*

just jking..

For some she kinda did get in the pants of an officer.

But just for some. And that very well known officer didn't really help Ash to get promoted. After all, he died and came back as Cerberus operative :innocent:

[Siven80]

easygame88 wrote...

Probably because this isn't real life?

^ This :happy:

[Funkcase]

By that analogy we can also ask ''why does Shepard go into combat'' I mean you don't really see comanding officers going out with the infantry troops in Afghanistan. They've got Sergeants for that.

Or we could ask why does Liara and Mordin go into combat when they're too important to fight, I mean imagine if Mordin was to die before Horizon? Shepard would be screwed. And Liara was needed for her Prothean knowledge and was also on the ship for protection, why was she going out on missions for?

Let's just remember it's not real.

The one in-game reason I can think of for her new rank is her Spectre status, maybe the Alliance thought ''A Spectre needs to be a comanding officer of a ship'' so they made her a Commander. It would seem a little weird if she was in charge of people who outranked her, lol.

Modifié par Funkcase, 15 février 2012 - 03:23 .

[General User]

What about the commanding officers of special forces teams?

[Funkcase]

General User wrote...

What about the commanding officers of special forces teams?

I wouldn't really know about that, I don't think I've ever meet any Special forces.

[AcidGlow]

It would be nice if you remained a Spectre in ME3 as well as Lt. Commander. lol A lot of races respect the Spectres it would be a usefull tool to uniting the other species to fight the Reapers.

[Carlthestrange]

Hold on, are we asking about realism in ranking, when every species in the game speaks perfectly fluent English?

Thats just the other bit. It is, after all, a game. It doesn't have to be realisitic.

[EddieL]

Han Shot First wrote...

knightnblu wrote...

Frankly, the Alliance rank structure is a joke. There is no rhyme or reason to it because it is just window dressing. Even the uniforms carry no rank insignia that match any identifiable pattern. Some rank is blacked out, some isn't, and some is absent. Stripes on one pair of shoulder epaulets are addressed as Admiral where identically striped epaulets are addressed as Captain. Hell, we are not even sure if Shepard is a Commander or Lt. Commander or even what the difference is between the two in the Alliance command structure. All that needed to happen was for BioWare to sit down and spend fifteen to twenty minutes addressing the problem or run an internet search. They didn't do it.
 
Just ignore the rank and move on because it isn't important. If it were important then BioWare would have written a series bible to preserve continuity and to make sure that such things made sense. In short, what we see regarding the Alliance is what a civilian thinks the military ought to be in their mind and since rank, protocol, and tradition means damned little to a civilian, that is what you get. It isn't personal, it just is. So take it at face value and let it be. That's my advice at any rate.

I agree. The rank structure is a little jacked up and nonsensical (as is the organization of the Alliance military into  a single service), but I don't see either of these things as being something that breaks the story. In fact it is pretty much standard fare in Sci Fi. Militaries in Sci Fi universes are pretty much never realistic. They are always organized or function in ways that seem bizarre in comparison to real world examples. Usually that is because the stories are being written by people who aren't veterans.

That being said I wonder why they didn't get William Dietz to work on that portion of the Mass Effect lore. He served in the US Navy as a Corpsman (medic) and in that capacity also served with the US Marines.

Dude, really............its a game set in outher space with Aliens and intergalactic space travel. Who cares how she got the rank. This isnt real life.

[RedPhoenix 96]

im pretty sure shepard would have ranked up if he would have stayed with the alliance in ME2