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[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Problem is they made this game with the idea that this would be an introduction to the series for new players.

Can you imagine if book series worked that way? Forget Game of Thrones, just jump right into Storm of Swords. Jame's Vega will be there to explain the bits you missed.

[Gemini1179]

1Nosphorus1 wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...
To say that you have to read a comic series to understand why this character is there and a series of books to know who that character even is is poor storytelling and a lazy cash grab.

Did you play Gears of War 3? A similar thing had happened there which was an awful transition from 2-3 when Dizzy and Tai sacrificed themselves so the rest of the gears could escape Skorge, next thing you know Dizzy pops up in Gears 3 like "So was happenin fellas?"

Played Gears 1 and enjoyed it. The main character being called "Fenix" was entertaining. What else was the large brute oozing badassness going to be called?

Anyway, yeah, it is frustrating for gamers and I know the Devs could have put their heads together and come up with something better. I'm just getting this feeling that so much time was spent trying to appeal to new players that the Dev team forgot about the countless players who got them this far.

[Gemini1179]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Problem is they made this game with the idea that this would be an introduction to the series for new players.

Can you imagine if book series worked that way? Forget Game of Thrones, just jump right into Storm of Swords. Jame's Vega will be there to explain the bits you missed.

Lol. No kidding. I had to read the first section of the first book like five times just so I could get oriented in that world.

[MAZ77]

Habs25 wrote...

MAZ77 wrote...

LiZaRdChaSE wrote...

 

old build of game is old build of game
cut stuff is cut stuff because of size limitations for demos

Old build, right...

and I repeatedly posted beta leak-videos showing that the cut content isn't much better than what made it into the demo.

Sure you did you little insider

They are all over YouTube. Do a search (Mass Effect 3 beta leak).

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Let it be. They can't be swayed.

I thought hope dies last...



And there might be a simple explanation for the bad facial animations. Am I right that the (too often automatic) dialogue is taking place within the flowing game (no cut to a dialogue-scene), maybe that makes animations more difficult?

Modifié par MAZ77, 14 février 2012 - 10:48 .

[sonofalich]

i agree with you OP. i know it's just a demo but everything felt so awkward and clunky. guess we'll see next month how it all pans out.

[Ricinator]

 I Agree with OP, only thing i liked about the demo is the out of ammo animation where if you try to shoot it buckles... You guys killed the game by removing the RPG dialogue options. I was right to cancel my preorder months ago

[Cuddlezarro]

my problem with the demo is they didnt let you customize your weapons or weapon loadout meaning caster classes got stuck with long ass cooldowns and infiltrator got stuck with no sniper making halg the upgrades for it worthless =/

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Gemini1179 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Problem is they made this game with the idea that this would be an introduction to the series for new players.

Can you imagine if book series worked that way? Forget Game of Thrones, just jump right into Storm of Swords. Jame's Vega will be there to explain the bits you missed.

Lol. No kidding. I had to read the first section of the first book like five times just so I could get oriented in that world.

Pssh, should have just skipped the clunky dialog from the first book. The third one minimized it to a dialog wheel.

[dreman9999]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

They had to take a lot of the dialog out to meet the xbox 2 gig limit. There's an entire section cut out of the sur'kesh demo full of dialog with investigates. Textures should be similar quality as ME2.

Can't comment on the rest till I play it myself.

I can't believe that for a second. There were perhaps only two or three opportunities for the player to have a choice in what to say, and the demo took up 1.7GB. There was still 300 MBs roughly to play around with.

You think that much dialog, plus the animations for it, the character you talk to, and the area you take in is just 300 mb?

[Matt VT Schlo]

Bioware should never handle trilogies again. If they go into each sequel saying, 'how do we handle this for new players?' returning players are gonna feel shortchanged every time.

They should just stick to stand alones, cause the whole concept of their's, 'what you do matters' is usually nerfed through convenient changes they made

And I am sorry, but Mac Walters is no Drew

Modifié par Matt VT Schlo, 14 février 2012 - 10:53 .

[MAZ77]

Ricinator wrote...

 I Agree with OP, only thing i liked about the demo is the out of ammo animation where if you try to shoot it buckles... You guys killed the game by removing the RPG dialogue options. I was right to cancel my preorder months ago

I don't understand why people would pre-order a game anyway. You don't know what you are going to get and you don't get a refund...

[dreman9999]

Ricinator wrote...

 I Agree with OP, only thing i liked about the demo is the out of ammo animation where if you try to shoot it buckles... You guys killed the game by removing the RPG dialogue options. I was right to cancel my preorder months ago

They just cut it out of the demo. It's in the full game. Anyone who seen the leak would know this.

[dreman9999]

Matt VT Schlo wrote...

Bioware should never handle trilogies again. If they go into each sequel saying, 'how do we handle this for new players?' returning players are gonna feel shortchanged every time.

They should just stick to stand alones, cause the whole concept of their's, 'what you do matters' is usually nerfed through convenient changes they made

Do you understand that's not the case for imports? You only get the new gamer experiance if you play a new game with importing yourcharacter in the full game.

[kalle90]

1Nosphorus1 wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...
To say that you have to read a comic series to understand why this character is there and a series of books to know who that character even is is poor storytelling and a lazy cash grab.

Did you play Gears of War 3? A similar thing had happened there which was an awful transition from 2-3 when Dizzy and Tai sacrificed themselves so the rest of the gears could escape Skorge, next thing you know Dizzy pops up in Gears 3 like "So was happenin fellas?"

Don't forget Jace, and Sam, and Prescott, and Adam... Seriously the entire game was just 1 big "WTF what did I miss in GoW1 and 2?". Some people nailed it when they said playing Gears 3 actually felt like they were playing Gears 4.

I'm afraid this demo was just the start of repeating that same circle. Who's Vega? Where's the trial? What? How? Why? Is nothing compared to the **** that happens when we meet our old companions and new faces.

Seriously I started to laugh when I saw Vega. I thought he's just some random ugly custom Shep made for those Jersey Shore pics. Turns out he's actual game character.

[masseffectman123]

aridor1570 wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

The game is pretty much set piece after set piece with some mediocre gameplay sprinkled on it. I was already going to pass on it due to the whole Origin debacle but actually playing it made that decision so much easier.

Oh, so you've played the full game, I presume?

Oh, so you've deluded yourself into thinking that the final product, at least technically, won't be almost exactly the same as the demo? Demos are almost always VERY representative of the final game, don't let devs tell you otherwise, it has been proven game after game after game.

[tch2296]

The Black Ghost wrote...

I thought much the same about Mass Effect 2. The writing sucked. Mass Effect's story and dialogue was top-notch.

I am a writer. I have bias...but seriously?

What a pompous thing to say. That's like me saying, "Oh, well I have good taste in games. So I'm biased toward good games!" So lame...

I'd like to see your writing. I would bet I would think it absolutely sucked.

Modifié par tch2296, 14 février 2012 - 10:59 .

[Ricinator]

dreman9999 wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

 I Agree with OP, only thing i liked about the demo is the out of ammo animation where if you try to shoot it buckles... You guys killed the game by removing the RPG dialogue options. I was right to cancel my preorder months ago

They just cut it out of the demo. It's in the full game. Anyone who seen the leak would know this.

BS i have played enough ME2 to understand they don't give a rats ass about dialogue anymore. Even investigating in ME2 gave you nothing to build a conversation on, unlike ME1.

Modifié par Ricinator, 14 février 2012 - 11:00 .

[masseffectman123]

What's with the jogging animation in this game?, it truly is crap in comparison to ME and ME2. Shepard simply "glides" along, with no bounce to his step. And, does anyone know if Mass Effect 3 will give us the ability to holster our weapon and walk normally?, as there was no option to do so in the demo.

[VictimN7]

aridor1570 wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

I played through the demo twice.

As soon as I started the game, one thing grabbed my attention: the menus were extremely clunky. It felt like it was going at less than 24fps, more like 12 fps. It was almost difficult trying to navigate my way through the settings and buttons, it was so unresponsive. Ok, it's no big deal. On to the game. Wow, ugly textures. What's worse is the framerate felt very inconsistent in some bits. There was a close up of one of the human council's face, the woman I think, and I was scared my xbox was going to crash, the framerate got so bad. The face textures are on the whole well detailed, but the clothing/armour detail looks extremely jarring and outdated.

Also, the writing is absolutely terrible. It is cliched as hell. Stuff like "you can't help me", "let's get the hell outta here!" and "thanks, I owe you one" makes me cringe. All the characters have changed drastically. Ashley unexplainably got a boob job, and has makeup. Same with Liara. Wrex just comes off as whiny, instead of a cakm, brooding badass. When the krogan female snatched the shotgun out of his hands and shot down two cerberus soldiers (it was a claymore heavy shotgun, and she used it like it was an automatic shotgun, talk about inconsistency) Wrex's line "huh, women" was just so unbelievably cringe inducing.

Also, it appears the dialogue options have been cut down dramatically, to cater to a more casual, younger audience. There's a clear cut good and evil choice, and that's it. No middle branch. No "investigate" on the left hand side. It's far too simplisitic. What's worse is that this game is 90% cutscene and 10% dialogue, if you get what I mean. Shepard speaks of his own accord far more than the player gets to control him.

Finally, the gameplay is horrible. The animations are extremely jerky and unnatural looking. The controls are very unresponsive. it feels like it's trying to be Gears of War, but it fails in every single aspect. It doesn't have the tight, fluid gameplay to match. It feels horribly floaty and rigid.

It screams of console port.

Those of you who say "but it's just a demo!", "it will get patched" etc are completely deluded. Mass Effect 2 was a great game, but the stripping down of RPG elements was a foreshadowing of this. Dragon Age 2 was the last straw.

I'm not telling you to get on the bioware hate bandwagon, what I am doing is making to light some very serious issues, with this game and Bioware itself.

A dev has confirmed that the dialogue options will be expanded in the full game.

Source???

[fropas]

Ricinator wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

 I Agree with OP, only thing i liked about the demo is the out of ammo animation where if you try to shoot it buckles... You guys killed the game by removing the RPG dialogue options. I was right to cancel my preorder months ago

They just cut it out of the demo. It's in the full game. Anyone who seen the leak would know this.

BS i have played enough ME2 to understand they don't give a rats ass about dialogue anymore. Even invetigating in ME2 gave you nothing to build a conversation on, unlike ME1.

BS all the interesting Dialogue with Legion had to be investigated you're just bitter. . .

[tch2296]

Ricinator wrote...

BS i have played enough ME2 to understand they don't give a rats ass about dialogue anymore. Even investigating in ME2 gave you nothing to build a conversation on, unlike ME1.

Even the devs have stated that more dialogue options are being included in the final version.

I don't understand why people like this continue to troll these forums...I respect people's opinions but I thought htis forum was for fans...

[Ricinator]

fropas wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

 I Agree with OP, only thing i liked about the demo is the out of ammo animation where if you try to shoot it buckles... You guys killed the game by removing the RPG dialogue options. I was right to cancel my preorder months ago

They just cut it out of the demo. It's in the full game. Anyone who seen the leak would know this.

BS i have played enough ME2 to understand they don't give a rats ass about dialogue anymore. Even invetigating in ME2 gave you nothing to build a conversation on, unlike ME1.

BS all the interesting Dialogue with Legion had to be investigated you're just bitter. . .

o i'm sorry was that like 10 min of an exception? as i recall that games is almost 30+ hours if you do everything....

[Ricinator]

tch2296 wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

BS i have played enough ME2 to understand they don't give a rats ass about dialogue anymore. Even investigating in ME2 gave you nothing to build a conversation on, unlike ME1.

Even the devs have stated that more dialogue options are being included in the final version.

I don't understand why people like this continue to troll these forums...I respect people's opinions but I thought htis forum was for fans...

Was a fan. ME2 feel flat now i cut through the Devs crap about ME3, get over it

[JoePilot]

tch2296 wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

BS i have played enough ME2 to understand they don't give a rats ass about dialogue anymore. Even investigating in ME2 gave you nothing to build a conversation on, unlike ME1.

Even the devs have stated that more dialogue options are being included in the final version.

I don't understand why people like this continue to troll these forums...I respect people's opinions but I thought htis forum was for fans...

We were fans until that hack Mac Walters was put in charge.  Everything he touches turns to sh*t.