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[baddestsupercec]

The only think I don't like is the power recharge. It takes forever.

[Provo_101]

Ricinator wrote...

@dreman9999
explain to me then how investigating really any dialogue in ME2 actually brought you into the experience other than to just give you a quick statement about whatever it is you were asking about. (Legion excluded)

As much as I love dialogue in the Mass Effect series, you have to remember that there has to be a game in there somewhere.

It sounds like you're asking for a ten minute monologue from the Citadel Groundskeeper every time you pick one of three Investigate options. Why the **** would anyone need to know every single possible detail about everything? Do I really need to know how toilets on the Citadel work? Or what the Consort had for breakfast yesterday morning? There's only so much to tell. I've played (or watched) enough Metal Gear Solid 4 thank you very much.

You only NEED a quick statement for Investigate options, that's what they're there for. The times where there ARE long investigation options is where it would be appropriate to the narrative and beneficial for the player to listen up. The Illusive Man, Legion, Sovereign on Virmire, Anderson on the Presidium. Hell, even characters that are just badass, like Matriarch Aethyta, Captain Bailey, and Aria T'loak.

Also, remember that Investigation options aren't always necessarily needed in the context of the conversation, even though I always choose them, the chat can always be continued without them. They are quick digressions or offshoots of the topic at hand, answering questions that the player him or herself may have. They aren't actually necessary to choose either, the conversation will still end either way.

[fropas]

baddestsupercec wrote...

The only think I don't like is the power recharge. It takes forever.

How dare yo--Oh wait everyone hates this about the demo. This is a very valid criticism. I hate not having the option to choose a weapon loadout.  Thank you for pointing that out.

[Gatt9]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

jollyorigins wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

The action, story and RPG modes are options for specific people to select depending on their desired playstyle. Why is action mode an "insult" when you can play in RPG mode like most of us who like RPGs probably will be doing? How many times do I have to see this ridiculous topic come up? Honestly, this thread looks more to me like it's just "I hated DA2 and want to pick at everything possible because I hated it and think that I can use this demo as proof that it's the last nail in BW's coffin."

As for the limited dialogue options - I rather doubt that it's representative of the number of dialogue options you'll have in every single conversation in the actual game. The other stuff you're spouting is subjective but could be legit; however, I stopped taking you seriously as soon as I saw the complaint about the different game modes (none of which YOU have to avail yourself of if you want to play in RPG mode). Seriously, the game-mode complaining is one of the most idiotic things that I've seen on the forums whenever it gets brought up as a gripe by someone who can't abide the existence of other modes that other people might enjoy.

My apologies for asking but was that aimed at me?

That was strictly aimed at the OP, whose post I didn't want to bother quoting.

So you're ok with the idea of wasting development time and dollars to include a mode that removes all of the RPG elements from an RPG?  You understand that the design must be comprimised in order to support two polar opposite types of games,  because one mode doesn't participate in an entire sub-section of the game that's supposed to be the driving force for how the narrative is completed?

Because,  with respect,  I really do not think you understand what the problem is or what the ramifications are.  It's nowhere near as simple as you express,  and you cannot start out your design with "It's going to be everything to everyone!",  I guarantee you that in 3 weeks,  you will see comprimised RPG elements due to the inclusion of a mode that doesn't participate.

Or to put it more succinctly,  from now on,  prior to all NFL games,  both teams will play a whole game of Flag Football.  No deviation in scoring will be permitted between the pre-game-game and the actual game.

That's what you're getting here.  Because there simply is not any other option,  unless you think Bioware's going to tell all of the Action-Mode players "So sorry,  no best ending for you,  because you didn't make choices". 

I'm willing to bet money when we get the game,  we find that all "Choices" lead to the same outcome,  Action-Mode's path.

[Provo_101]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

They did?

So investigating the Krogan culture, Genophage and crew didn't yield you anything?

Questioning people on the citidel, poking IM or asking around on Omega did nothing?

I got the same out of it I did in ME1...

Agreed.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

kalle90 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Matt VT Schlo wrote...

Bioware should never handle trilogies again. If they go into each sequel saying, 'how do we handle this for new players?' returning players are gonna feel shortchanged every time.

They should just stick to stand alones, cause the whole concept of their's, 'what you do matters' is usually nerfed through convenient changes they made

Do you understand that's not the case for imports? You only get the new gamer experiance if you play a new game with importing yourcharacter in the full game.

The thing that caught my eye about Mass Effect, and Dragon Age, was the hype about choice and how they affect the sequels. I was all excited "that's what I wanted to see in KOTORs".

But the system didn't get further than 2nd game for the system to be wrecked. Some big decisions have absolutely no effect (like Rachni), some are broken (Conrad), some are interchangeable and petty (Wrex-The other guy, emails). Shep was killed and forced to change team... Let's not even start with DA2 that practically has nothing in common with the 1st (though Alistair was pretty funny, but completely pointless and out-of-place, one of the lone reminders that I'm actually playing Dragon Age)

Then came ME3. We heard about the game having multiple thousands variables. Then the first news - the trial advertised in the ME2-ME3 transition DLC is cut. Furthermore atleast Mordin's voice actor is changed, plus publisher and plenty of the dev staff. Not to mention all the drastic gameplay changed during the trilogy.

It's easy to say the "cause and effect" system fell flat and this series doesn't have much intergrity. So it would be much better if Bioware just did standalone games. Heck, stuff like Halo, Uncharted and Gears are much cleaner trilogies.

Yeah. I'm noticing a trend here...

[Hunter of Legends]

Gatt9 wrote...

I'm willing to bet money when we get the game,  we find that all "Choices" lead to the same outcome,  Action-Mode's path.

Or perhaps action mode led to those choices in the first place...

You are being a little too cynical here I think. There is warrent for caution but they do have a "story" mode which is basically the opposite of Action.

I can just use your argument against you.

[Hunter of Legends]

Gatt9 wrote...
That's what you're getting here.  Because there simply is not any other option,  unless you think Bioware's going to tell all of the Action-Mode players "So sorry,  no best ending for you,  because you didn't make choices".

Actually action moders still make critical path choices so yeah...

the whole argument has no support anyway.

[Rivercurse]

Utterly cba to read all 17 pages. I can pretty much guess what's been said in response to that diatribe.

Just in case it hasn't been said, OP, shut up. You're points are invalid, and borne out of a lack of knowledge about ME3.

[Jimmie_Rox]

Meh, I like, I'm a happy bunny, good job BioWare.

The demo repeatedly gave me the sort of spine tingles I have come to expect from a Mass Effect game. Sure there was no "I am the vanguard of your destruction" and "you exist because we allow it and you will end because we demand it." But it's a demo, and I'm actually kinda glad we don't have the full content for those levels or by game launch I'd not be getting anything new from them.

[1Nosphorus1]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...
That's what you're getting here.  Because there simply is not any other option,  unless you think Bioware's going to tell all of the Action-Mode players "So sorry,  no best ending for you,  because you didn't make choices".

Actually action moders still make critical path choices so yeah...

the whole argument has no support anyway.

I think you misread his post, he's mocking the fact that Bioware would let Action mode just tunnel mode into a particular ending.

The point other people are making is that despite these critical choices, the difference between Action Mode/RPG mode will be slim to none, the choices will be the same, the consequences will be the same.

Rivercurse wrote...

Utterly cba to read all 17 pages. I can pretty much guess what's been said in response to that diatribe.

Just in case it hasn't been said, OP, shut up. You're points are invalid, and borne out of a lack of knowledge about ME3.

 

Keep the personal attacks to yourself emo, OP has stated his claims and some of them hold weight since he talks about valid points from the Demo, where the start happens to be pulled directly from the game as Chris himself has stated.

Modifié par 1Nosphorus1, 15 février 2012 - 12:03 .

[Rivercurse]

1Nosphorus1 wrote...

 emo,

[Feanor_II]

Not worried.
Not concerned
Not disappointed
NOT AT ALL!!!!!

Sure it won't be 100% the game I dream...... but I know that it's impossible.

[Hunter of Legends]

1Nosphorus1 wrote...
The point other people are making is that despite these critical choices, the difference between Action Mode/RPG mode will be slim to none, the choices will be the same, the consequences will be the same.

I highly doubt that.

[1Nosphorus1]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

1Nosphorus1 wrote...
The point other people are making is that despite these critical choices, the difference between Action Mode/RPG mode will be slim to none, the choices will be the same, the consequences will be the same.

I highly doubt that.

Speculation at best, considering that an action playthrough and an RPG playthrough currently hold no difference in the outcome of the demo. Also considering that a lot of the choices made in ME1 and 2 will pretty much no bearing on the story.

Everything comes down to the third part of Shepards trilogy.

[tch2296]

Ricinator wrote...

Was a fan. ME2 feel flat now i cut through the Devs crap about ME3, get over it

Right...and my point is....if you aren't interested in the Mass Effect series anymore and you think it's gone to sh*t...

then....

GTFO!

It's understandable to debate on minor points and how you think the game should have been improved of course, but to just sit around a fan website, shi*tting on the game, what does that get you?

I don't spend my days in the Pokemon forums, telling people how stupid and boring their game is, and how Pokemon Red is so much better than Pokemon Gold, etc, etc

Why are people wasting their time if they think the series is worthless? Great, good for you, this forum isn't designed for people like that, it is set up for FANS of the series LOL!

It doesn't really bother me that much personally, but it just seems so stupid, do people have nothing better to do than try to convince die-hard Mass Effect fans that they should give up on the series? So lame...

[voteDC]

alexdrake wrote...

I thought I was clear, let me spell it out. Yes there were issues, but it was a damn demo. Bioware failed me once in their history with da2 I'm willing to let that slide given their history. Especially since I am a humble journalist and not a video game producer.

The point of a demo though is to build up people's excitment and entusiasm for a game.

If a demo gives a poor representation of a feature, or a game as a whole, then it is failed in its purpose.

Now the demo hasn't ruined the game for me by any means, heck in fact it's made me enjoy the multiplayer when I was prepard to hate it, but the single player portion of the game I found to be poor indeed.

[Redcoat]

Well, I'm glad to see that I wasn't the only one who was greatly disappointed with the demo. I already made a rant-ish post about on my blog so I'm not going to repeat myself here.

I'm sure I'll get the usual excuses... "It's an early build! It's just a demo! You can't judge the final game by the demo!" but at this point I just don't care. I'm not going to spend $59.99 blindly on a game whose demo had such little impact on me (and I should point out that the purpose of a demo is help you decide whether or not to buy the full version).

Modifié par Redcoat, 15 février 2012 - 12:16 .

[1Nosphorus1]

voteDC wrote...If a demo gives a poor representation of a feature, or a game as a whole, then it is failed in its purpose.

They have made very big mistakes with the demo, for one giving you a max loadout so playing as any power based class is a nightmare. I found multiplayer to be pretty boring really, out of 4 games my squad died on the first wave so I gave up, and this is playing with randoms by the way.

Modifié par 1Nosphorus1, 15 février 2012 - 12:20 .

[Rivercurse]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Rivercurse wrote...

Utterly cba to read all 17 pages. I can pretty much guess what's been said in response to that diatribe.

Just in case it hasn't been said, OP, shut up. You're points are invalid, and borne out of a lack of knowledge about ME3.

HAHAHA.

Believe me, I know more than I would like to about this game. It's you who is utterly clueless. Why are my points invalid? Because you don't disagree with them?

Get off the computer, you child.

You know more than you would like to about the game, and yet you were surprised by the inclusion of modes other than RPG?

You complain about the lack of an 'investigate' dialogue option?

These two factors alone prove that you know nothing.  If you'd truly followed, you'd alread be aware that the dialogue heavy portion of the Surkesh mission was cut from this demo.

Clueless?  Well, perhaps you should look in the mirror, "child".

[Mathias]

I'm sorry but since when has "thanks, i owe you one" become such horrible ear cringing dialogue? Is this guy for real?

[fropas]

Redcoat wrote...

Well, I'm glad to see that I wasn't the only one who was greatly disappointed with the demo. I already made a rant-ish post about on my blog so I'm not going to repeat myself here.

I'm sure I'll get the usual excuses... "It's an early build! It's just a demo! You can't judge the final game by the demo!" but at this point I just don't care. I'm not going to spend $59.99 blindly on a game whose demo had such little impact on me (and I should point out that the purpose of a demo is help you decide whether or not to buy the full version).

Hey! I'm not blindly spending 60$, I'm blindly spending 80$ on a collector's edition--get your facts straight--besides I've already spent ~100$ on the other mass effects I pretty much trust Bioware to deliver a quality product at this point. Sorry the free (you don't even have to be a gold member on xbox to download it) demo didn't do it for you. I guess it's a good thing they were considerate enough to even give us a demo so people like you wouldn't come on the forums and whine about how you wasted your money. Good thing we avoided that mess.

Modifié par fropas, 15 février 2012 - 12:24 .

[Provo_101]

I would imagine that Bioware wanted the demo to focus on gameplay and the new additions to combat instead of dialogue. Because you know... that's what most demos do.

[Jurigag]

BioWare you know that we have 2012 ? why you get us graphic from 2006-2007....... ? PC have great power and this graphic can be 2x better and still run on our computers.......
and i really dont see RPG options....... you add few more skills and it's now rpg option ? pffff.......

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

tch2296 wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

Was a fan. ME2 feel flat now i cut through the Devs crap about ME3, get over it

Right...and my point is....if you aren't interested in the Mass Effect series anymore and you think it's gone to sh*t...

then....

GTFO!

It's understandable to debate on minor points and how you think the game should have been improved of course, but to just sit around a fan website, shi*tting on the game, what does that get you?

I don't spend my days in the Pokemon forums, telling people how stupid and boring their game is, and how Pokemon Red is so much better than Pokemon Gold, etc, etc

Why are people wasting their time if they think the series is worthless? Great, good for you, this forum isn't designed for people like that, it is set up for FANS of the series LOL!

It doesn't really bother me that much personally, but it just seems so stupid, do people have nothing better to do than try to convince die-hard Mass Effect fans that they should give up on the series? So lame...

That's right. If you don't like what the game has become you have no business here. It ruins our cult of personality.