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[Someone With Mass]

JoePilot wrote...

Yes, I have, and without going into spoiler territory, from all indications every CHOICE is a FLAVOR choice, i.e., the same thing ultimately happens, just in a different way.  That is not choice and consequence, that is false choice and irrelevance.

Guess what. 

It's still a choice and a consequence, no matter how you twist it. If it didn't meet your expectations, then that's your own fault for setting the bar too high.

[N7Raider]

Someone With Mass wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Wrex was whiny? The writing was bad?

... Huh what?

Whiny is apparently when you say one sentence in a negative manner.

Getting chased by gunships? Pff. Quit whining.

not only that but aparently if Shepard says 3 sentences to a new character in a totally professional manner he's acting "buddy buddy" with them.  

[Luigitornado]

Marionetten wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

Oh, so you've played the full game, I presume?

No, I've played the demo. The thing which is supposed to give us a taste of the full product.

I disliked the taste and I'm not going to delude myself into thinking that the full game will somehow offer a completely different taste. Especially not after Dragon Age II.

You want a demo for ME3?

Try playing ME1 and 2. If you have, and you liked it, then you will enjoy ME3.

[JoePilot]

Almostfaceman wrote...

So, you're here to talk us all out of buying the game? Are you here to insult us? What exactly is the point? If we loved the demo before reading your review, we're supposed to change our minds? What's your goal here? Want to get attention? Rile people up? Are people who don't agree with you - threatening?  Do you feel the need to - control people? 

Lol, not at all.  I'm on a game forum, talking about a game.  I'm giving my opinion, you certainly aren't obligated to agree, or respond.  The control bit was funny though, wow.

[aridor1570]

Rickin10 wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

Rickin10 wrote...

You're kidding me, right? didn't you see the hub area when you start the mission?

The bit where you meet up with 'an old friend'? Yep. 

Have you watched it in action mode, or RPG mode?

Pretty sure it was in rpg mode.  You talk to him but you're only ever offered a couple of choices on the dialogue wheel outside of the investigate bit on the left hand side and it really goes nowhere.  then its back to the action and lots of auto-dialogue

Then you've watched it in action mode, you have 3 dialogue options popping up with him, 2 of them have a straightforwad question and one of them has an investigation tab, the only time Shepard says something by himself when talking to him is "You'de do that?".

[Cainne Chapel]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

To those questioning why I'm here: I loved ME1, liked ME2, and so far, from everything I've seen and heard, am convinced ME3 is going to be more watered-down, ignorant mass market garbage. Ergo, I am voicing my opinion, same as everyone else.

The turn Bioware has taken of late is most troubling, and as someone who cares about the quality of games, I find it offensive what little regard they give to the established fan base of their games. They have diluted, dumbed down and stripped out anything resembling player choice, and what we're left with is an on-rails space derpfest blockbuster. "Welcome to Earf!" *punch*

If that's what you want, congrats! I guess ignorance really is bliss.  (I'm not insulting anyone here, I'm just saying that if you haven't experienced other games with well-done choice and consequence, then I can understand how you wouldn't notice it missing in this one).

Translation "oh noes!  This game isn't what I wanted how dare Bioware not cater to me and me alone a true fan whah whah whah"  

why does it always seem people who ahve issues with the critize the game and people defending the game attack the person...which is worse??

Probably because almost universally bluewolv, detractors feel they can do something better than the people actually doing it.

Criticizing the game is fine, but at LEAST be constructive, criticizing something because it doesn't PERSONALLY appeal to your specific and exacting tastes... is just well... nitpicking and no good to anyone.

There are issues I have with both 1/2 and more than likely 3, but the whole outweighs those minor parts so I personally can overlook small issues myself.

Some people cant and I acknowledge that.  But it also doesn't make them the bastion of all truth

[JoePilot]

Someone With Mass wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

Yes, I have, and without going into spoiler territory, from all indications every CHOICE is a FLAVOR choice, i.e., the same thing ultimately happens, just in a different way.  That is not choice and consequence, that is false choice and irrelevance.

Guess what. 

It's still a choice and a consequence, no matter how you twist it. If it didn't meet your expectations, then that's your own fault for setting the bar too high.

Actually, it's exactly not a choice and consequence.  And excuses like that are why we can't have nice things. 

Modifié par JoePilot, 14 février 2012 - 05:09 .

[FutureBoy81]

Well played the demo things i like was they brought back the customization in weapons, also the stats are back also, and the music felt like ME1 again loved it, only negative was the combat was not as fluid as ME2 but judging from the demo im really looking forward to this game, im hoping they bring back a veichle of some sort then this will be the ultimate ME

[The Elder King]

JoePilot wrote...



Yes, I have, and without going into spoiler territory, from all indications every CHOICE is a FLAVOR choice, i.e., the same thing ultimately happens, just in a different way.  That is not choice and consequence, that is false choice and irrelevance.

I didn't read the leak entirely, but I remember at least one time when one of your previous choice (in ME or ME2) will lead to a different outcome in ME3.
And while I didn't read what will happen to the various homeworld, I'll guess that there's the possibility to make some of them fall. Doesn't this will change depending of what you choose in the various missions?

[Pedro Costa]

bluewolv1970 wrote...
your avi sums up the crowd being catered to

Just to be clear, you mean ugly-looking people or 3D artworks?
If the former, don't you think ugly people have rights like every other people and should therefore be cattered to? Talimancers are cattered to, S/S people are cattered to, why not ugly people? Do you have something against them? They're people too, you know?!
If the latter, I don't think 3d works are actually able to enjoy.... anything, really. Yeah, shocking - I was too when I found out, so, I'll uh, let that sink into you for a while.

[Sia_Sinblade]

JoePilot wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

Yes, I have, and without going into spoiler territory, from all indications every CHOICE is a FLAVOR choice, i.e., the same thing ultimately happens, just in a different way.  That is not choice and consequence, that is false choice and irrelevance.

Guess what. 

It's still a choice and a consequence, no matter how you twist it. If it didn't meet your expectations, then that's your own fault for setting the bar too high.

Actually, it's not.  And excuses like that are why we can't have nice things. 

It's called the Illusion of Choice. It's what Mass Effect has been doing from the very beginning. If you loved ME1, you have NO grounds to stand on hating the supposed lack of choices in 3.

[Armass81]

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

To those questioning why I'm here: I loved ME1, liked ME2, and so far, from everything I've seen and heard, am convinced ME3 is going to be more watered-down, ignorant mass market garbage. Ergo, I am voicing my opinion, same as everyone else.

The turn Bioware has taken of late is most troubling, and as someone who cares about the quality of games, I find it offensive what little regard they give to the established fan base of their games. They have diluted, dumbed down and stripped out anything resembling player choice, and what we're left with is an on-rails space derpfest blockbuster. "Welcome to Earf!" *punch*

If that's what you want, congrats! I guess ignorance really is bliss.

Now I know you haven't read the leaked script.

Yes, I have, and without going into spoiler territory, from all indications every CHOICE is a FLAVOR choice, i.e., the same thing ultimately happens, just in a different way.  That is not choice and consequence, that is false choice and irrelevance.

You mean just like in Mass Effect 1? Where the only differences are cosmetic at best? Save the Rachni Queen or kill her. What difference does it make for the rest of the story in that game? Kill Ashley or Kaiden. Same end result with a different gender swapped in. Save the council or abandon them. You still get the same ending except with a few less aliens.

Or have I missed the massive, plot-twisting choices in the game?

He's wrong, there are actually couple of past choices you made at least that hugely determine how much of a particular army you get for the final battle or whether you get the at all, thus it can change the success of the ending. They cant be made within the context of this game so some past choices do matter.

Modifié par Armass81, 14 février 2012 - 05:13 .

[siarheicka]

Jerky motions? Frame rate drops? Didn't see any of that.
Is something wrong with your xbox?

[bluewolv1970]

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

To those questioning why I'm here: I loved ME1, liked ME2, and so far, from everything I've seen and heard, am convinced ME3 is going to be more watered-down, ignorant mass market garbage. Ergo, I am voicing my opinion, same as everyone else.

The turn Bioware has taken of late is most troubling, and as someone who cares about the quality of games, I find it offensive what little regard they give to the established fan base of their games. They have diluted, dumbed down and stripped out anything resembling player choice, and what we're left with is an on-rails space derpfest blockbuster. "Welcome to Earf!" *punch*

If that's what you want, congrats! I guess ignorance really is bliss.

Now I know you haven't read the leaked script.

Yes, I have, and without going into spoiler territory, from all indications every CHOICE is a FLAVOR choice, i.e., the same thing ultimately happens, just in a different way.  That is not choice and consequence, that is false choice and irrelevance.

You mean just like in Mass Effect 1? Where the only differences are cosmetic at best? Save the Rachni Queen or kill her. What difference does it make for the rest of the story in that game? Kill Ashley or Kaiden. Same end result with a different gender swapped in. Save the council or abandon them. You still get the same ending except with a few less aliens.

Or have I missed the massive, plot-twisting choices in the game?

except that we have been told repeatedly by writers like Mac Walters (despite overwhelming evidence to the contratry) that the choices in three matter most because it is the end of the series and they did not need to worry about writing future games...

[Cainne Chapel]

Well Joe, in almost EVERY game UNLESS there are completely divergent plot points... most choices ARE flavor choices.

Its simple really.

if every single choice in every game could go on wildly divergent tangents... ME2 would still be in production for all the variables.

With todays tech, its just not feasible to think there will be hundreds upon hundreds of vastly different and divergent outcomes in a game.

So you have to just understand most choices will be "Flavor"

[TK EL_]

jollyorigins wrote...

Oh the Biodrones win that award most definitely (No seriously we got an award for that), the OP seems to be forwarding some legitamite criticism of the demo and all people can say is "OMG IT'S JUST A DEMO!" or "Don't like it don't play it". I'm actually playing the demo single player now and it just feels like i'm playing GoW again, some people here still have a shred of hope that Bioware can redeem itself after all the mess it has been in lately. But that shred is going fast at this rate.

No he isn't. He is giving personal opinion based on a lack of knowledge and his own nuances that are clearly not shared by most. What mess?? Sigh, just go away.

[Cainne Chapel]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

To those questioning why I'm here: I loved ME1, liked ME2, and so far, from everything I've seen and heard, am convinced ME3 is going to be more watered-down, ignorant mass market garbage. Ergo, I am voicing my opinion, same as everyone else.

The turn Bioware has taken of late is most troubling, and as someone who cares about the quality of games, I find it offensive what little regard they give to the established fan base of their games. They have diluted, dumbed down and stripped out anything resembling player choice, and what we're left with is an on-rails space derpfest blockbuster. "Welcome to Earf!" *punch*

If that's what you want, congrats! I guess ignorance really is bliss.

Now I know you haven't read the leaked script.

Yes, I have, and without going into spoiler territory, from all indications every CHOICE is a FLAVOR choice, i.e., the same thing ultimately happens, just in a different way.  That is not choice and consequence, that is false choice and irrelevance.

You mean just like in Mass Effect 1? Where the only differences are cosmetic at best? Save the Rachni Queen or kill her. What difference does it make for the rest of the story in that game? Kill Ashley or Kaiden. Same end result with a different gender swapped in. Save the council or abandon them. You still get the same ending except with a few less aliens.

Or have I missed the massive, plot-twisting choices in the game?

except that we have been told repeatedly by writers like Mac Walters (despite overwhelming evidence to the contratry) that the choices in three matter most because it is the end of the series and they did not need to worry about writing future games...

True, but as my earlier post points out, still not going to go off onw ildly diverse and different tangets as the store is getting wrapped up regardless so minus some different "Flavoring" there's going to be a set beginning, middle and end.


Why would you think any different?

[StephanieBengal]

People think their opinion's carry a lot of weight don't they?

[Sia_Sinblade]

Armass81 wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

To those questioning why I'm here: I loved ME1, liked ME2, and so far, from everything I've seen and heard, am convinced ME3 is going to be more watered-down, ignorant mass market garbage. Ergo, I am voicing my opinion, same as everyone else.

The turn Bioware has taken of late is most troubling, and as someone who cares about the quality of games, I find it offensive what little regard they give to the established fan base of their games. They have diluted, dumbed down and stripped out anything resembling player choice, and what we're left with is an on-rails space derpfest blockbuster. "Welcome to Earf!" *punch*

If that's what you want, congrats! I guess ignorance really is bliss.

Now I know you haven't read the leaked script.

Yes, I have, and without going into spoiler territory, from all indications every CHOICE is a FLAVOR choice, i.e., the same thing ultimately happens, just in a different way.  That is not choice and consequence, that is false choice and irrelevance.

You mean just like in Mass Effect 1? Where the only differences are cosmetic at best? Save the Rachni Queen or kill her. What difference does it make for the rest of the story in that game? Kill Ashley or Kaiden. Same end result with a different gender swapped in. Save the council or abandon them. You still get the same ending except with a few less aliens.

Or have I missed the massive, plot-twisting choices in the game?

He's wrong, there are actually couple of past choices you made at least that hugely determine how much of a particular army you get for the final battle, thus it can change success of the ending.

I am only referring to how the choices alter the actual game you are playing.

If we talk about choices being carried over into the next game...well whoopdeedoo. How is ME3 going to offer those with it being the last installment in SHepards trilogy?

And I am quite positive no one knows yet how all the choices factor into the ending you will get? Or have I missed that, too? (Honest question, I haven't been on top of leaks)

[Rickin10]

Then you've watched it in action mode, you have 3 dialogue options popping up with him, 2 of them have a straightforwad question and one of them has an investigation tab, the only time Shepard says something by himself when talking to him is "You'de do that?".

My apologies, that's what i meant by only having the 2 options on the right and investigate on the left.  I'm guessing you found this was fine.   I found it stripped down compared to the previous games

[loungeshep]

siarheicka wrote...

Jerky motions? Frame rate drops? Didn't see any of that.
Is something wrong with your xbox?

That's what it sounds like, maybe his harddrive is dying.

[Someone With Mass]

JoePilot wrote...
Actually, it's exactly not a choice and consequence.  And excuses like that are why we can't have nice things. 

Okay, if you leave a VIP somewhere in ME3 to die and then that has a negative impact on the rest of the conflict, then that's a choice (you choosing to leave him to die) and a consequence (the rest of the group being hesitant about your choice) 

If they had a "Oh, sorry, you picked the wrong choice, so you'll lose everything this conflict offered you" situation, people would b***h and moan even more about that, so they're going the safe route.

[Blarty]

I have to say I find these subjective criticism threads very amusing.... For every argument that Mass Effect 3 is becoming more like Dragon Age II and Call of Duty I could probably level a similar argument against your beloved Mass Effect 1 being like Dragon Age 2 and CoD-esque.... It's all a question of point of view and having the respect to at least try to be objective in your arguments