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[ArkkAngel007]

JoePilot wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

Yes, I have, and without going into spoiler territory, from all indications every CHOICE is a FLAVOR choice, i.e., the same thing ultimately happens, just in a different way.  That is not choice and consequence, that is false choice and irrelevance.

Guess what. 

It's still a choice and a consequence, no matter how you twist it. If it didn't meet your expectations, then that's your own fault for setting the bar too high.

Actually, it's exactly not a choice and consequence.  And excuses like that are why we can't have nice things. 

They have a tight narrative to reach a conclusion.  There are differences that happen, but it all ends with trying to take back Earth.  And not every choice leads to similar conclusions.  But the plot moves on, regardless.

I'm sorry BioWare couldn't put 3-4 games into ME3.  Like Mass said, it's your expectations that are messing with your perspective of the plot.  I've remained objective, and while some things have bothered me (certain squadmate, a certain late game character's personal story, and the removal of being able to lose the whole war), the overall game is shaping up to be a high quality product.

[JoePilot]

hhh89 wrote...

JoePilot wrote...



Yes, I have, and without going into spoiler territory, from all indications every CHOICE is a FLAVOR choice, i.e., the same thing ultimately happens, just in a different way.  That is not choice and consequence, that is false choice and irrelevance.

I didn't read the leak entirely, but I remember at least one time when one of your previous choice (in ME or ME2) will lead to a different outcome in ME3.
And while I didn't read what will happen to the various homeworld, I'll guess that there's the possibility to make some of them fall. Doesn't this will change depending of what you choose in the various missions?

The best way to describe it without telling you what will happen is that there are two types of "choice"  I am being as vague as humanely possible intentionally, there are no spoilers here, but just to be safe, highlight to read:

1. Flavor: person is there or not there, and is replaced with someone else who serves the same function as needed to keep the story exactly the same.

2. Galactic Readiness: None of your choices from the previous 2 games will either help or hinder your ability to get the best ending.  Regardless of your choice on major 'tough' decisions, they have been written around in a pretty dissapointing way, the result being that nothing is really different, other than numbers, but nothing that can't be worked around.

Of course, both of those are only really apparent if you play the game more than once with different choice save imports, at which point the illusion is completely broken, and the concept of choice and consequence is shown to be utter bull. 

edit: the editor isn't allowing me to change the text color.  Sorry.

Modifié par JoePilot, 14 février 2012 - 05:23 .

[Armass81]

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

To those questioning why I'm here: I loved ME1, liked ME2, and so far, from everything I've seen and heard, am convinced ME3 is going to be more watered-down, ignorant mass market garbage. Ergo, I am voicing my opinion, same as everyone else.

The turn Bioware has taken of late is most troubling, and as someone who cares about the quality of games, I find it offensive what little regard they give to the established fan base of their games. They have diluted, dumbed down and stripped out anything resembling player choice, and what we're left with is an on-rails space derpfest blockbuster. "Welcome to Earf!" *punch*

If that's what you want, congrats! I guess ignorance really is bliss.

Now I know you haven't read the leaked script.

Yes, I have, and without going into spoiler territory, from all indications every CHOICE is a FLAVOR choice, i.e., the same thing ultimately happens, just in a different way.  That is not choice and consequence, that is false choice and irrelevance.

You mean just like in Mass Effect 1? Where the only differences are cosmetic at best? Save the Rachni Queen or kill her. What difference does it make for the rest of the story in that game? Kill Ashley or Kaiden. Same end result with a different gender swapped in. Save the council or abandon them. You still get the same ending except with a few less aliens.

Or have I missed the massive, plot-twisting choices in the game?

He's wrong, there are actually couple of past choices you made at least that hugely determine how much of a particular army you get for the final battle, thus it can change success of the ending.

I am only referring to how the choices alter the actual game you are playing.

If we talk about choices being carried over into the next game...well whoopdeedoo. How is ME3 going to offer those with it being the last installment in SHepards trilogy?

And I am quite positive no one knows yet how all the choices factor into the ending you will get? Or have I missed that, too? (Honest question, I haven't been on top of leaks)

There are past choces that alter things, like what forces you can get or not for your final battle. They and the consequences are found in the script leaks, lots of people who are in the leak group know them and have piled them out recently. Im not talking about this more, unless its by PM.

[Peer of the Empire]

Where did you get the demo

[lechugator]

mass effect 3 = NO RAGDOLL in the dead corpses ! and dead bodies disappear in front of you in seconds

mass effect 2 = YES good fun RAGDOLL in the dead corpses !

[RubyRed1975]

The only thing I hated about the demo is that I couldn't hump Kaidan's leg when I saw him.

[Bummlmitz2]

siarheicka wrote...

Jerky motions? Frame rate drops? Didn't see any of that.
Is something wrong with your xbox?

I had that too (first xbox hardware revision). But I'm not too worried about it, because I'll buy the PC Version, *if* I'll buy it at all...

[Almostfaceman]

JoePilot wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

So, you're here to talk us all out of buying the game? Are you here to insult us? What exactly is the point? If we loved the demo before reading your review, we're supposed to change our minds? What's your goal here? Want to get attention? Rile people up? Are people who don't agree with you - threatening?  Do you feel the need to - control people? 

Lol, not at all.  I'm on a game forum, talking about a game.  I'm giving my opinion, you certainly aren't obligated to agree, or respond.  The control bit was funny though, wow.

Well you're not just giving your opinion of the game, your lambasting anyone who doesn't agree with you. So again, what exactly is the point?  Do you just like to argue?  Again, does someone who doesn't agree with you, make you feel threatened?  I mean, there must be some reason you lash out...

[teek-of-doom]

I haven't played the demo yet, but the ME2 demo really didn't impress me. I bought it anyway based on recommendations and ended up loving it despite some flaws. Hopefully ME3 will be the same way. Honestly I never expected to like it as much as ME2 because the action-packed finale of any series is never my favorite part.

[The Elder King]

JoePilot wrote...



The best way to describe it without telling you what will happen is that there are two types of "choice"  I am being as vague as humanely possible intentionally, there are no spoilers here, but just to be safe, highlight to read:

1. Flavor: person is there or not there, and is replaced with someone else who serves the same function as needed to keep the story exactly the same.

2. Galactic Readiness: None of your choices from the previous 2 games will either help or hinder your ability to get the best ending.  Regardless of your choice on major 'tough' decisions, they have been written around in a pretty dissapointing way, the result being that nothing is really different. 

Of course, both of those are only really apparent if you play the game more than once with different choice save imports, at which point the illusion is completely broken, and the concept of choice and consequence is shown to be utter bull. 

1. I know about that, and I agree with you that I'd like to have a differen situation, and not only a substitute. Though I remember one person that is necessary to achieve a different outcome in a quest.
2. Since I don't read the all the leak I can't say nothing, but I remember one decision from the previous game  that will have some influence in the outcome of a quest, screwing you in one case.

edit: I don't know if this cases are the minority in ME3. Though I'm more inclined of thinking that the majority of the decisions you took in the previous games will not lead to major changes in the situation in ME3. But I would've expected this.

Modifié par hhh89, 14 février 2012 - 05:28 .

[JoePilot]

Almostfaceman wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

So, you're here to talk us all out of buying the game? Are you here to insult us? What exactly is the point? If we loved the demo before reading your review, we're supposed to change our minds? What's your goal here? Want to get attention? Rile people up? Are people who don't agree with you - threatening?  Do you feel the need to - control people? 

Lol, not at all.  I'm on a game forum, talking about a game.  I'm giving my opinion, you certainly aren't obligated to agree, or respond.  The control bit was funny though, wow.

Well you're not just giving your opinion of the game, your lambasting anyone who doesn't agree with you. So again, what exactly is the point?  Do you just like to argue?  Again, does someone who doesn't agree with you, make you feel threatened?  I mean, there must be some reason you lash out...

Actually, I haven't lambasted anyone, unless you count the developers, who, while I have been very critical of their work, I haven't attacked them or anyone else on a personal level.  Thanks for the concern trolling, though.

[aridor1570]

JoePilot wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

So, you're here to talk us all out of buying the game? Are you here to insult us? What exactly is the point? If we loved the demo before reading your review, we're supposed to change our minds? What's your goal here? Want to get attention? Rile people up? Are people who don't agree with you - threatening?  Do you feel the need to - control people? 

Lol, not at all.  I'm on a game forum, talking about a game.  I'm giving my opinion, you certainly aren't obligated to agree, or respond.  The control bit was funny though, wow.

Well you're not just giving your opinion of the game, your lambasting anyone who doesn't agree with you. So again, what exactly is the point?  Do you just like to argue?  Again, does someone who doesn't agree with you, make you feel threatened?  I mean, there must be some reason you lash out...

Actually, I haven't lambasted anyone, unless you count the developers, who, while I have been very critical of their work, I haven't attacked them or anyone else on a personal level.  Thanks for the concern trolling, though.

You've called us blind and ignorant.

[JoePilot]

aridor1570 wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

So, you're here to talk us all out of buying the game? Are you here to insult us? What exactly is the point? If we loved the demo before reading your review, we're supposed to change our minds? What's your goal here? Want to get attention? Rile people up? Are people who don't agree with you - threatening?  Do you feel the need to - control people? 

Lol, not at all.  I'm on a game forum, talking about a game.  I'm giving my opinion, you certainly aren't obligated to agree, or respond.  The control bit was funny though, wow.

Well you're not just giving your opinion of the game, your lambasting anyone who doesn't agree with you. So again, what exactly is the point?  Do you just like to argue?  Again, does someone who doesn't agree with you, make you feel threatened?  I mean, there must be some reason you lash out...

Actually, I haven't lambasted anyone, unless you count the developers, who, while I have been very critical of their work, I haven't attacked them or anyone else on a personal level.  Thanks for the concern trolling, though.

You've called us blind and ignorant.

Then please accept my sincere appologies about the blind thing.  As for the ignorant, it wasn't meant as an insult - If you've never played a game that handles choice and it's consequences really well, then how could you be expected to miss it in this game? 

The devs missapropriate the phrase choice and consequence whenever possible, because it is a throwback to old rpgs that really would turn on a dime if you killed someone, or didn't.  It's offensive to see it used to describe this, though, because the choices are hollow.

[Hunter of Legends]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Also,  wow, ugly textures. What's worse is the framerate felt very inconsistent in some bits. There was a close up of one of the human council's face, the woman I think, and I was scared my xbox was going to crash, the framerate got so bad. The face textures are on the whole well detailed, but the clothing/armour detail looks extremely jarring and outdated.

Also, the writing is absolutely terrible. It is cliched as hell. Stuff like "you can't help me", "let's get the hell outta here!" and "thanks, I owe you one" makes me cringe. The forced drama BS with the kid in the vents, only to be killed by a Reaper, was just lame. No I'm not offended by kids getting killed. It's just dumb in this context all together. All the characters have changed drastically. Ashley unexplainably got a boob job, and has makeup. Same with Liara. Wrex just comes off as whiny, instead of a calm, brooding badass. When the krogan female snatched the shotgun out of his hands and shot down two cerberus soldiers (it was a claymore heavy shotgun, and she used it like it was an automatic shotgun, talk about inconsistency) Wrex's line "huh, women" was just so unbelievably cringe inducing. And now, Reapers, being machine gods that exterminate the galaxy every 50,000 years, are end level minibosses.

Also, it appears the dialogue options have been cut down dramatically, to cater to a more casual, younger audience. There's a clear cut good and evil choice, and that's it. No middle branch. No "investigate" on the left hand side. It's far too simplisitic. What's worse is that this game is 90% cutscene and 10% dialogue, if you get what I mean. Shepard speaks of his own accord far more than the player gets to control him. The michael bay-esque camera is also annoying as hell. I'd prefer it if I just played the game, rather than have wierd, goofy fish eye distortion effects every time there's an explosion.

Finally, the gameplay is horrible. The animations are extremely jerky and unnatural looking. The controls are very unresponsive. it feels like it's trying to be Gears of War, but it fails in every single aspect. It doesn't have the tight, fluid gameplay to match. It feels horribly floaty and rigid. The enemy AI is also really bad. They literally just stand there and take it. They don't try to be aggressive or flank you. They just stand/sit where they are, idly, like vegetables. The level design is also far too linear. Corridor, corridor, corridor. Some very convenient explosions causing walkways to appear miraculously before Shepard. Anderson screams "RELOAD. GET IN COVER. FOLLOW ME. THERE'S A LADDER THERE", like Shepard is autistic or something.

All of this screams of whinism.

I see none of these problems; it's an amazing game. But we are all welcome to our OPINIONS.

[Hunter of Legends]

Someone With Mass wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

Yes, I have, and without going into spoiler territory, from all indications every CHOICE is a FLAVOR choice, i.e., the same thing ultimately happens, just in a different way.  That is not choice and consequence, that is false choice and irrelevance.

Guess what. 

It's still a choice and a consequence, no matter how you twist it. If it didn't meet your expectations, then that's your own fault for setting the bar too high.

BINGO!

No Joe please stop ruining the experience for others please.

[bennyjammin79]

I laugh when people get extremely worried over a videogame. Nice priorities.

[JoePilot]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

Yes, I have, and without going into spoiler territory, from all indications every CHOICE is a FLAVOR choice, i.e., the same thing ultimately happens, just in a different way.  That is not choice and consequence, that is false choice and irrelevance.

Guess what. 

It's still a choice and a consequence, no matter how you twist it. If it didn't meet your expectations, then that's your own fault for setting the bar too high.

BINGO!

No Joe please stop ruining the experience for others please.

Whatever, chief.  If my opinion is ruining your experience, then maybe it's a fragile thing to begin with?  Do you have to convince yourself you're having a good time?

[Duncaaaaaan]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Also,  wow, ugly textures. What's worse is the framerate felt very inconsistent in some bits. There was a close up of one of the human council's face, the woman I think, and I was scared my xbox was going to crash, the framerate got so bad. The face textures are on the whole well detailed, but the clothing/armour detail looks extremely jarring and outdated.

Also, the writing is absolutely terrible. It is cliched as hell. Stuff like "you can't help me", "let's get the hell outta here!" and "thanks, I owe you one" makes me cringe. The forced drama BS with the kid in the vents, only to be killed by a Reaper, was just lame. No I'm not offended by kids getting killed. It's just dumb in this context all together. All the characters have changed drastically. Ashley unexplainably got a boob job, and has makeup. Same with Liara. Wrex just comes off as whiny, instead of a calm, brooding badass. When the krogan female snatched the shotgun out of his hands and shot down two cerberus soldiers (it was a claymore heavy shotgun, and she used it like it was an automatic shotgun, talk about inconsistency) Wrex's line "huh, women" was just so unbelievably cringe inducing. And now, Reapers, being machine gods that exterminate the galaxy every 50,000 years, are end level minibosses.

Also, it appears the dialogue options have been cut down dramatically, to cater to a more casual, younger audience. There's a clear cut good and evil choice, and that's it. No middle branch. No "investigate" on the left hand side. It's far too simplisitic. What's worse is that this game is 90% cutscene and 10% dialogue, if you get what I mean. Shepard speaks of his own accord far more than the player gets to control him. The michael bay-esque camera is also annoying as hell. I'd prefer it if I just played the game, rather than have wierd, goofy fish eye distortion effects every time there's an explosion.

Finally, the gameplay is horrible. The animations are extremely jerky and unnatural looking. The controls are very unresponsive. it feels like it's trying to be Gears of War, but it fails in every single aspect. It doesn't have the tight, fluid gameplay to match. It feels horribly floaty and rigid. The enemy AI is also really bad. They literally just stand there and take it. They don't try to be aggressive or flank you. They just stand/sit where they are, idly, like vegetables. The level design is also far too linear. Corridor, corridor, corridor. Some very convenient explosions causing walkways to appear miraculously before Shepard. Anderson screams "RELOAD. GET IN COVER. FOLLOW ME. THERE'S A LADDER THERE", like Shepard is autistic or something.

All of this screams of whinism.

I see none of these problems; it's an amazing game. But we are all welcome to our OPINIONS.

My post isn't directed at fans in denial. It's directed at people who are reasonable and not deluded.

[chengthao]

"console port" . . . . ummmmm didn't Mass Effect come out originally on XBOX, this wasn't a PC game to begin with, so don't like it, don't buy it . . . complaining isn't going to do anything b/c its too late for them to "change" anything

[Walker White]

JoePilot wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

Yes, I have, and without going into spoiler territory, from all indications every CHOICE is a FLAVOR choice, i.e., the same thing ultimately happens, just in a different way.  That is not choice and consequence, that is false choice and irrelevance.

Guess what. 

It's still a choice and a consequence, no matter how you twist it. If it didn't meet your expectations, then that's your own fault for setting the bar too high.

Actually, it's exactly not a choice and consequence.  And excuses like that are why we can't have nice things. 

Choice is choice.  You are arguing about the impact said choice, which is a matter of degree.  You cannot, however, say that there is no choice.  To do so smacks of hyperbole, which is why so many people do not take these threads seriously.

[Sashimi_taco]

RubyRed1975 wrote...

The only thing I hated about the demo is that I couldn't hump Kaidan's leg when I saw him.

I second this motion. 

[chengthao]

RubyRed1975 wrote...

The only thing I hated about the demo is that I couldn't hump Kaidan's leg when I saw him.

why would you want to hump his leg when there is something better?

[Walker White]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

...

My post isn't directed at fans in denial. It's directed at people who are reasonable and not deluded.

And that is why these threads are useless.

[Hunter of Legends]

JoePilot wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

Yes, I have, and without going into spoiler territory, from all indications every CHOICE is a FLAVOR choice, i.e., the same thing ultimately happens, just in a different way.  That is not choice and consequence, that is false choice and irrelevance.

Guess what. 

It's still a choice and a consequence, no matter how you twist it. If it didn't meet your expectations, then that's your own fault for setting the bar too high.

BINGO!

No Joe please stop ruining the experience for others please.

Whatever, chief.  If my opinion is ruining your experience, then maybe it's a fragile thing to begin with?  Do you have to convince yourself you're having a good time?

I'm fine.

Is it part of your lifes missions to prove to the nimble and weak willed BSN that Bioware is evil and EA the Devil?
You are trying TOO HARD to prove so...and with far too much subjective opinions and loosely defined words thrown about.