Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 février 2012 - 11:49 .
Adanu wrote...
Ah yes, the marine pride thing. I have a friend who went through boot camp. I offered to let him stay at my house while he got back on his feet after being medically discharged. Took a month before I got so fed up of his ego that I told him to shutup about the marines or find an apartment.
chengthao wrote...
the whole idea that the Alliance is a combination of all services is really dumb, there's a reason all modern governments have different services, the personnel management, economical and logistical challenge is simply too overwhelming for one branch of government to run an entire military
AlanC9 wrote...
chengthao wrote...
the whole idea that the Alliance is a combination of all services is really dumb, there's a reason all modern governments have different services, the personnel management, economical and logistical challenge is simply too overwhelming for one branch of government to run an entire military
I wouldn't really defend the current system as rational -- we've had too many idiotic interservice fights in the USA for me to buy it.
iakus wrote...
JasonPogo wrote...
I mean come on. The best part of Ashly was that she was a soldier first. Now she wears mackup into battle and has a neet little outfit to run around in. Bioware has always had its eyecandy female characters. Just sad they decided to take one of their female characters that was not that and make her into one...
Here's hoping the modding community can give Ash a real Alliance uniform to walk around in rather than that survivor of a Crayola explosion she's currently stuck wearing.
Kaidan, being a guy, seems to have avoided that fate.
Eragondragonrider wrote...
Wow so OP is complain that Ash looks more like a female officer now then a front line soldier,.... love the new look, glad the ugly armor is gone, a least now she looks like a woman and less like a boy. Don't see anyone complaining a bout Laira's boob job...
Modifié par Demonique, 15 février 2012 - 01:13 .
aksoileau wrote...
Omg ashley is sexed up. God forbid she has hooters and make up. This is so not like her because she's real and I know her personally.
Modifié par TeffexPope, 15 février 2012 - 01:18 .
iakus wrote...
Son of a Witch wrote...
Ever since this topic poped up, you know the first time and the time after that and the time after that... Anyway ever since then I am wondering why I absolutely don't care about this. I mean I would love to equip every character with whichever armor I liked and have them wear it but I really don't care if it stays the way it is right now. Maybe you can blame that on me growing up with JRPGs where no matter what you equiped your character with they would still appear as some 18 year old chick with long blonde hair and make up wearing a green swimsuit to save the world.
But the real question is why does anybody still care?
We already had characters like Miranda in a catsuit with long hair and make up. We also had Jack with that whatever that was she was wearing to cover her nipples. Liara's outfit doesn't seem bulletproof either. Should I mention breathing masks? No, better not.
What I am saying is this game doesn't want to be realistic, or atleast not as realistic as some people here would wish. And why should it be? It is a freakin Space Opera. Just because it has an very deep and elaborate lore doesn't mean it has to be overly realistic for the sake of entertainment (and yes, sexy women are a part of entertainment, especially in Space Operas). Star Trek was very elaborate and I can't rember ever seeing Captain Kirk or in this case probably Uhura wear a piece of armor.
BTW: That the outfit is sexualized may not bother me but that doesn't mean that I don't find it to be butt ugly.
The paragraph under the bolded part answers your question.
Ash was the only female character who was hot without being an adolescant fantasy. She was both tough and attractive and looked. it. It's part of what made her special to the series. Bioware admits that the makeover was simply to add sex appeal. The took the closest thing to a realistic person on the team, a favorite character of mine, and gave her a superhero costume. I think that's a decent reason for being upset.
But then, I liked Ash back in ME1 before it was popular. When she was derided fro being a "racist zealot" and whatnot. I guess that makes me an "old fan" and therefore not part of the target demographic anymore
Demonique wrote...
iakus wrote...
Son of a Witch wrote...
Ever since this topic poped up, you know the first time and the time after that and the time after that... Anyway ever since then I am wondering why I absolutely don't care about this. I mean I would love to equip every character with whichever armor I liked and have them wear it but I really don't care if it stays the way it is right now. Maybe you can blame that on me growing up with JRPGs where no matter what you equiped your character with they would still appear as some 18 year old chick with long blonde hair and make up wearing a green swimsuit to save the world.
But the real question is why does anybody still care?
We already had characters like Miranda in a catsuit with long hair and make up. We also had Jack with that whatever that was she was wearing to cover her nipples. Liara's outfit doesn't seem bulletproof either. Should I mention breathing masks? No, better not.
What I am saying is this game doesn't want to be realistic, or atleast not as realistic as some people here would wish. And why should it be? It is a freakin Space Opera. Just because it has an very deep and elaborate lore doesn't mean it has to be overly realistic for the sake of entertainment (and yes, sexy women are a part of entertainment, especially in Space Operas). Star Trek was very elaborate and I can't rember ever seeing Captain Kirk or in this case probably Uhura wear a piece of armor.
BTW: That the outfit is sexualized may not bother me but that doesn't mean that I don't find it to be butt ugly.
The paragraph under the bolded part answers your question.
Ash was the only female character who was hot without being an adolescant fantasy. She was both tough and attractive and looked. it. It's part of what made her special to the series. Bioware admits that the makeover was simply to add sex appeal. The took the closest thing to a realistic person on the team, a favorite character of mine, and gave her a superhero costume. I think that's a decent reason for being upset.
But then, I liked Ash back in ME1 before it was popular. When she was derided fro being a "racist zealot" and whatnot. I guess that makes me an "old fan" and therefore not part of the target demographic anymore
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CptBomBom00 wrote...
oh, my god i think people are starting to complaining about random things to just complain and this is getting more aggressive as we get closer to the game.
fropas wrote...
This story takes place almost two hundered years in the future. Jacob wants to wear a super-tight leather catsuit, and I'm cool with that. Ashley wants to wear clothes that don't make her look like a boy and I'm cool with that.
Obvakhi wrote...
Someone lock this topic already... all people are doing is just beating a dead horse.
KotorEffect3 wrote...
CptBomBom00 wrote...
oh, my god i think people are starting to complaining about random things to just complain and this is getting more aggressive as we get closer to the game.
Whiner and hater attacks will increase as we get closer to release date.
Almostfaceman wrote...
Bioware is simply giving the ME3 heroes an iconic look, which happens all the time in the video game and movie industry. It's hardly anything new or surprising. To be honest I prefer it over the boring work clothes they wore in the first game. Yeah I said it, Ash's work casual work attire in ME1 was boring. She looked just as sexy in ME1 in her default/medium/light armor as she does in ME3 with her casual iconic look. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I hardly agree she looks over-the-top sexy. And she's a woman, it's totally in character for a woman to want to look good. Every woman I've met is like that.
With regards to people who don't agree with me, that's cool. I'm down with freedom of expression. But honestly, in this forum, the sheer repetition of the complaints is counter-productive. I mean really, if some dude (or dudette) you're hanging out with is constantly complaining over and over again about the same stuff - you'll get tired of it quick even if you agree with them. My advice, say what you got to say and get it out of your system. Bioware is either going to do something about your opinion or they're not, it's there for them to read. Getting repetitive or rude about it won't get your point across more effectively.
Modifié par iakus, 15 février 2012 - 01:41 .
DinoSteve wrote...
wait so a woman can't be attractive and be a solider at the same time?
iakus wrote...
Almostfaceman wrote...
Bioware is simply giving the ME3 heroes an iconic look, which happens all the time in the video game and movie industry. It's hardly anything new or surprising. To be honest I prefer it over the boring work clothes they wore in the first game. Yeah I said it, Ash's work casual work attire in ME1 was boring. She looked just as sexy in ME1 in her default/medium/light armor as she does in ME3 with her casual iconic look. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I hardly agree she looks over-the-top sexy. And she's a woman, it's totally in character for a woman to want to look good. Every woman I've met is like that.
With regards to people who don't agree with me, that's cool. I'm down with freedom of expression. But honestly, in this forum, the sheer repetition of the complaints is counter-productive. I mean really, if some dude (or dudette) you're hanging out with is constantly complaining over and over again about the same stuff - you'll get tired of it quick even if you agree with them. My advice, say what you got to say and get it out of your system. Bioware is either going to do something about your opinion or they're not, it's there for them to read. Getting repetitive or rude about it won't get your point across more effectively.
And that's why I advocate iconic themes over iconic looks. Ash is a woman, yes. But she's far more than that. She's also a marine, a Spectre, an Alliance officer, etc. I want a look that emphasizes these things. I want a look that speaks to her role. as a warrior and a champoon of humanity. The look we were given doesn't provide that. It speaks only to Bioware's stated intent: style and sex appeal. I want substance. Ash's ME1 look, and the variation that Kaidan and Shepard wear, speak to that far better.
IMO Bioware dropped the ball here, and someone else will have to pick it up. That or we wait a year and pay more $$$
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